Population by 2025, redux

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This will never get seen on the bottom of that long rambling thread Population...by 2025. Thought I'd start a new one. OK with you?

Not that you're missing the point, Hawk, but all your links point to climate/weather articles . That's a problem which will soon fix itself (or not) as we are forced by circumstances to burn lesser amounts of hydrocarbon fuels in the very near future. A very interesting thread was on here recently THE MYTH OF SPARE CAPACITY. And like every other thread here on this subject it was immediately rebutted by a limp wrist flip (remember Cory?) or non sequitur and fell to the bottom of the list, while Ceeper and other goofball threads draw volumes of response. You guys just ain't serious.

Read this Convince Sheet (especially the long version with all the links). Guaranteed to simplify your worrying. (There's a thousand-dollar reward to anyone who can rebutt that information with evidence equally as substantial and credible.)

Of course Patricia has it exactly right: "... it comes down to changing a mindset." And that's why we're doomed.

-- (Uberdoomer@ttitude.bad), July 25, 2000


Fuel's Paradise

World-class contrarian Thomas Gold has a theory about life on the planet: It's pumping out of the Earth's crust - and it's swimming in oil.

http://www .wired.com/wired/archive/8.07/gold_pr.html

-- -@ (question@everything.xxx), July 25, 2000.

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Monday July 24, 5:18 am Eastern Time

Kazakh offshore consortium announces oil discovery

(UPDATE: writes through adding details, background)

By Mike Collett-White

MOSCOW, July 24 (Reuters) - The nine-member OKIOC consortium announced on Monday it had struck oil at the Kashagan East well off Kazakhstan's Caspian coast, breaking its silence over what local officials have called one of the world's biggest fields.

The Offshore Kazakhstan International Operating Company said the full appraisal phase would probably last until late 2002, by which time the group could give a reliable estimate as to how much crude lay beneath its acreage of the shelf.

Expectations have been rising after Kazakhstan, desperate for a massive find to put it on the map as a major oil producer of the future, made a series of early announcements pegging oil and gas reserves at up to 50 billion barrels.

If correct, this would place the Kashagan structure second only to Saudi Arabia's onshore Ghawar field, with remaining reserves of 70 billion barrels while Saudi's Safaniya field, the world's largest offshore deposit, has 19 billion barrels.

OKIOC continued to urge caution on Monday. ``We have drilled just one well in a big structure,'' said OKIOC spokesman Matthew Bateson by telephone from Almaty in Kazakhstan. ``We have another well planned under the exploration programme and then plan to move to an appraisal programme.''

Early results were ``encouraging'', however, both in terms of rate flows and the quality of the oil coming to the surface.

An OKIOC statement said the first well had tested at 600 cubic metres of oil per day and 200,000 cubic metres of gas per day. Oil gravity ranged between 42 and 44 degrees API, indicating ``quite a light crude'', Bateson said.

Drilling activities at Kashagan West, a second exploration location 40 km (25 miles) from Kashagan East, would begin in the fourth quarter of the year, OKIOC said.

Kashagan East lies 75 km (47 miles) southeast of Atyrau on the Kazakh coast and was drilled in just three metres (10 feet) of water to a total depth of nearly 5,200 metres (16,400 feet).


A major discovery could put the Caspian back on the map of Western oil companies, whose interest in the landlocked sea has flagged in recent years due to low oil prices, high transportation costs and legal disputes between littoral states.

Kazakhstan hopes OKIOC will catapult it up the league table of world oil producers and bring in revenue to fund its transition to a market economy.

A find even a fraction of the size estimated by hopeful Kazakh officials would also trigger an intense battle for influence over hydrocarbon exports from the vast former Soviet republic of 15 million people.

The United States wants Kazakhstan to pledge OKIOC oil to the planned oil pipeline from Baku in Azerbaijan to Turkey's Mediterranean oil outlet of Ceyhan, possibly via a new pipeline across the Caspian Sea.

Washington supports the Baku-Ceyhan route as it would reduce the influence of Russia and Iran over the strategic basin.

Tehran has made an aggressive play for OKIOC oil to run south via Iran, while Moscow is likely to try to secure any flow of offshore production across its territory.

OKIOC unites Philips Petroleum (NYSE:P - news), BP Amoco (quote from Yahoo! UK & Ireland: BPA.L), Agip , BG Plc (quote from Yahoo! UK & Ireland: BG.L), Royal Dutch/Shell (quote from Yahoo! UK & Ireland: SHEL.L), ExxonMobil (NYSE:XOM - news), Totalfina , Statoil [STAT.UL] and Japan's Inpex.

-- Bad Ass Dude Hates Doomers (BadAss@tb2k.com), July 25, 2000.


-- Bad Ass Dude Hates Doomers (BadAss@tb2k.com), July 25, 2000.



-- Bad Ass Dude Hates Doomers (BadAss@tb2k.com), July 25, 2000.

Thomas Gold articles on extraterrestrial hydrocarbons

-- -@ (question@everything.xxx), July 25, 2000.

Yawn. The Caspian is old news. This is at least the third time this report has surfaced in the past six months. Each time the initial numbers are huge, each time later estimates reduce it. Note all the weasel words in this latest report. What we're seeing here is some international brinksmanship. The local pols are playing the Americans against the Russians against the Europeans and need this constant publicity as leverage. See the latest Stratfor.com posting on Russia/North Korea for another angle on the wheels-within-wheels diplomacy at work here, and remember where Putin got his training (KGB).

-- Cash (cash@andcarry.com), July 25, 2000.

YAWN CUBED: "oil running out". BULL SHIT.

-- Bad Ass Dude Hates Doomers (BadAss@tb2k.com), July 25, 2000.

Y'know, Charlie, there's a definite pattern here. Each time you're presented with facts, you respond with juvenile and fact-free name calling. Sad. But hey, earn an easy $1,000 (Canadian) by turning that stellar intellect to disproving the Convince Sheet, then we can all relax and go home.

-- Cash (cash@andcarry.com), July 25, 2000.


BS. OIL PRICES ARE DOWN. You posted that would tell all. Now you want to keep spreading the Doomzies CRAP about oil resources running down.

I heard it ALL...........20 years ago. Its truly boring. The number one expert was Yergin and for 17 years he never mumbled about oil until this year. He did the "Prize" and the last chapter tells you all you have to know about his "leanings". (GREEN).


-- Bad Ass Dude Hates Doomers (BadAss@tb2k.com), July 25, 2000.

As a Friend of the Earth, I believe that we First World consumer/polluters are all morally obliged to commit suicide. After you, Uberdoomer.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), July 25, 2000.

Yes, soitainly, Moe, and then all the rest of the "useless eaters". Here they all are marching to their fate:



-- Bad Ass Dude Hates Doomers (BadAss@tb2k.com), July 25, 2000.

Who funds such BUBBLE HEADS? Or do they just live on the "kindness of strangers"? They all seem to wait for anything that "sounds like a problem to me" and then do the Paula Read My White Paper Routine.

Dieoff.com had a Y2k page that was "conclusive": we were finished. Can't seem to find it now. He is another with the same chart and a stack of links "proving" his case. Sort of like a Gary-Ed of Oil.

-- Bad Ass Dude Hates Doomers (BadAss@tb2k.com), July 25, 2000.

Geeee, let me guess.... who always posts the full html from articles, screws it all up, uses a lot of caps, and hates Gary and Ed??? Duuuuh, hey Creeper! Don't bother using bad ass idiot troll names, everyone recognizes the biggest retard on the forum!

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), July 25, 2000.

"That's a problem which will soon fix itself (or not) as we are forced by circumstances to burn lesser amounts of hydrocarbon fuels in the very near future. "

Well, looks like you've wasted one of your wishes, you now have two left. Next time choose something that the Genie can actually do.

The Earth has just recently begun to show evidence of heating from our period of most rapid industrialization and urbanization since the 1950's. Even if we stopped all activity tomorrow it will still keep heating up for at least another 20 or 30 years. We've ignored the warning signs over the last 30 years, continued to damage our bioshpere, and now we're doomed. Mother Nature is going to come roaring into your neighborhood and there is going to be hell to pay.

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), July 25, 2000.

OIL forever OIL forever....

-- Will (righthere@home.now), July 25, 2000.

" The number one expert was Yergin and for 17 years he never mumbled about oil until this year. He did the "Prize" and the last chapter tells you all you have to know about his "leanings". (GREEN). "

Yergin? I'm talking about Colin Campbell and Jean Leherrere and Brian Fleay and a crowd of others, Charlie. Do some quick research on the true greenies, such as Lester Brown at Worldwatch Institute, and you'll find techno-optimists galore, just like you, in fact. As for a y2k page at dieoff (regrettable name, but Jay is hardcore), I've browsed there occasionally for two or three years now and I don't recall ever seeing one, although the CDC was referenced in a couple of papers Jay posted for information that were written by other people. I don't recall him ever taking a position on the issue, altho it wouldn't surprise me if he had. Just about everyone else did.

Again. Charlie, you fail to respond to the facts. Name calling and ad hominem attacks seem to be the only ammunition you can bring to the debate. You post links to articles about Saudi excess capacity as if they were somehow astounding revelations that prove your whole point. Yet everyone knows S.A. has excess capacity currently, along with UAE and Kuwait. The question is, how much longer will that be the case and what happens on the downslope? There's an easy $1,000 (Canadian) in it for you if you can show there is no downslope, so go for it. Please.

-- Cash (cash@andcarry.com), July 26, 2000.

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