The past few days have shown that questions regarding censorship/banning are NOT going to be answered on the new EZBOARD Tb2000 forum. The past few days have ALSO shown that some of the folks who ARE happy with the new EZBOARD Tb2000 forum are coming HERE to question why THIS forum would allow folks who in the past said/did this/that.

I didn't MAKE the rules for THIS forum, and I didn't make the rules for the other one either. However, I find it odd that folks from THIS forum are posting complaints on THAT forum and folks from THAT forum are posting complaints on THIS forum. Well, I didn't find it odd on day 1 or day 2, but I find it odd that it's still ongoing.

Step back and look at what some of you are doing. If the few from THIS forum continue to badger the folks on the other forum for their "undeclared" standards, I would bet you'd be deleted eventually. If the few from THAT forum continue to badger the folks on THIS forum that inclusion of folks who have dared to sin in the past are unworthy, I'd bet that oldregular will find himself forced into using the delete key. WHO benefits from all this?

The EZBOARD TB2000 has decided to be an "exclusive" club. I think it's simply THAT simple. oldregular has decided that THIS forum is open to all [despite past transgressions.] I think it's simply THAT simple.

Can we move on now?

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 05, 2000

Answers

One problem with that is that when one is slandered on "that" board, one has an implicit right to defend in the same venue.

-- Charles Underwood Farley (chuck@u.farley), March 05, 2000.

Well put, Anita.

All this petty bickering reminds me of a bunch of children gearing up for the big game, only now that the game is over, the children haven't any constructive use for their energy, so they've taken to snipping at each other. Would that I could find an article or two that would distract them, something constructive to focus their energies on, but it's a slow news day.

-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), March 05, 2000.

Charles, one has the right, but that doesn't mean you have to do it. Use your maturity now, buckle down, and prove that you can move beyond this. Let it go. Remember during the Gulf War, when Iraq was tossing Scuds into Isreal. Remember how Isreal retaliated? They didn't. They had every right to, but they didn't. Why? Think about that. Anita..amen!

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), March 05, 2000.

Much like a church congregation that has split up. You KNOW they are going to talk about the members that left, and the slandered members have no defense. Best to let it go.

It's painfully obvious to me, that the ppl that CHOSE to go to censor-city, are really SCARED of the truth. Better to stay in their little protected hidey hole, than chance it that someone might disagree, might have another point of view, might EXPOSE their BS, and oh my GOD might FLAME THEM. They seem perfectly happy to leave their RIGHTS at the welcome mat.

Sounds kinda dull and cult mentality really ain't my thing. Let them come over here. We can take it. But, few will have the gonads to fight fair under there real-fake name. Hypocrites. Nothing new there.

Like I said, just like a damn church!

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), March 05, 2000.

Charles, please take the good advice that Kritter and Anita have offered. I read the post where you started to spar with the all-time idiot Hawk, only to be attacked by some of the other Zombie mutants such as Ynott and Nadine. Ive been there done that and you will not be successful in reasoning with the brain dead. You could see the mentality of Hawk with his statement that we were at each others throats when it was obvious humor and satire. You cant argue with that kind of fool so why waste your time. Be smart and just ignore that forum and use your good energies here where you will be received in a positive manner. Those freaks will end up eating each other so justice will be served.

-- Ra (tion@l.1), March 05, 2000.

Well, none of you are getting on my board and that's a promise.

-- Saint (Peter@the.Gate), March 05, 2000.

SP, am I to presume that you're not a Southern Baptist? You sound more like Assemblies of God with that attitude!

-- Charles Underwood Farley (chuck@u.farley), March 05, 2000.

Do you realize that being associated with the TB2000 forum, that you were being called all kinds of names by several DeBunkers. Interesting as it may be, Anita did not defend people from TB2000 forum on DeBunkers. But now it's "water under the bridge, let's start anew?" I don't get it. They do have the freedom to call anyone what they want, but just remember the name calling was directed at everyone on TB2000. Here's just one example out of hundreds:

Join the club. Sometimes I laugh, sometimes I am completely disgusted.

Posted by (206.55.147.36) Super Polly on October 21, 1999 at 09:15:53:

In Reply to: Techies... is there anything they can't do? posted by Modem Butterfly on October 20, 1999 at 15:57:27:

Take those goonies in stride at StinkButt2000. They have NO technical skills [they don't know their ascii from a donut-hole]

It is a small collection of anti-american, DOTgov hating, sick of there own loser existance, IDIOTS. Mix in a few vendors and there shills, top it off with a behind-the-times blowhard and you get "ScratchButt2000, the insane asylum"

Like CPR said, some of there reactions are funny, but the trouble they are trying to stir up really is NOT funny at all.

It's a good thing 99.9% of the world LAUGHS them off as psychotic.

-- Archiver (Archiver@archiverrr.xcom), March 05, 2000.

Oh, Charles Underwood Farley. I love that name. It says it all.

-- Saint (Peter@the.Gate), March 05, 2000.

Archiver:

Exactly so. I often said that the CPR and Milne posts seemed to be generated by the same AI system, with only a minor input parameter changed. I used to think attacking was just easier than thinking, and the loonies (of ANY persuasion) were simply lazy. Now I wonder if there might not be some theoretically identifiable problem in the organic neural wiring?

But certainly the nominal "position" taken by a Mr. Polly or a Hawk is both arbitrary and irrelevant. Ultimately, it's the thought that counts and the lack of it that doesn't.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), March 05, 2000.

And I THINK you are right, Mr. Flint.

-- Saint (Peter@the.Gate), March 05, 2000.

I agree with Anita and Kritter, not that it makes any difference. You people here and there are all hung up on trying to be the smartest, and most literate, and the most, brainy, and most of you are into hanging out with the crowd.

I can see that, old friends are comfortable, but your problem is you don't take the chance to make new ones...unless they meet your criteria.

I found this site soon, I watched it grow over the last 2 days, but it is not growing it is stuck in hate and discontent and egos.

Nothing against you old regular, you just got it started,you did good too, I was very happy to find this place fast and watch it evolve, but when LL came back and everyone started kissing her ass,collectively, I began to wonder. I still wonder, but that is one of the joys of life, wonder.

Anyway kritter, what else can I do with tuna, besides tuna cassorole, creamed tuna and rice, tuna loaf, and tuna sandwitches?

-- quick (notin the clique@nocare.com), March 05, 2000.

Of course Flint, anyone associated with TB2000 was a "goonie." And your right about the name calling, it doesn't do any good whatsoever, but it is fun to bring out the hyprocrisy in it all.

-- Archiver (Archiver@Archiverr.xcom), March 06, 2000.

Archiver:

I understand your points, but I feel that OldRegular has set up this forum not JUST as an extension of TB2000, but as a place where folks can start anew with a clean slate. Mud was thrown FROM TB2000 towards Debunkers, as well as thrown from Debunkers towards TB2000. WHAT was gained by that? I don't think I'm being hypocritical. I stood up HERE for Laura when SHE was attacked, and I stood up for Manny when Laura attacked HIM/HER.

Having been a poster both at TB2000 AND Debunkers, as well as several other Y2k fora, I'm quite aware of the stereotyping that existed on both sides. I'm quite aware of Laura's past actions as well, and she and I put the gloves on and duked it out on several occasions.

We all have options. We can choose to hold on to old grievances or start fresh. It seems to me that Oldregular hopes for the latter, and I'd like to give that a shot as well.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 06, 2000.

I believe and hope that most people want peace and the freedom to speak on either forum. I tried to post on the other forum, and I couldn't see my post 'there', even though I refreshed several times. Tonight when I went to check, I couldn't even find the thread. It could be my ignorance on using that forum, but I did search awhile. I didn't originate the thread, but I did feel I wanted to at least once state my position and opinion. It has caused some speculation, since the topic was something to the effect of 'how long would the sysops take' to (paraphrase) get rid of the bad guys. When people who frequent this forum were called traitors etc., it was a bit much for me. It seemed as good a time as any to speak up. There are smug insults flying on both sides, and there are a handful of posters who are beginning to resemble a small gang rumbling for their own playgrounds. The animosity abounds beyond reasonable boundaries on both sides of the fence. Very sad. As stated before, I didn't like or condone LL's spamming, but did like very much as an individual person in the chat room. I also liked Diane Squires, and had very courteous and helpful replies from her on past occasions.....sigh How childish we all (self included) can be...

This was my post: "Today was my first time to visit this new site for the forum. I am also one who was greatly disturbed over banning Flint. I feel it was wrong, period, and a bad judgement call based on the reasons and rationale given.

I have lurked and posted on the forum that 'Old Regular' began. The familiarity, of course, is nice, but it is not the main drawing card for me.

Pardon me for disagreeing with the premise that I am among a group of traitors, or do not understand or appreciate the concept of loyalty and/or of gratitude. I have expressed my appreciation to Ed and to the Sysops in the past on more than one occasion.

I agreed that the spamming by LL was disruptive, annoying and wrong. I told her so personally in a chatroom, and she replied in a very civil manner. I don't think she was altogether comfortable with what she was doing. I understood, and expressed support for the actions that Diane had to take. I never knew the 'whole story', but the wrongness of the spamming was obvious to me. That aside, I took my share of jabs and insults from a variety of posters on the original forum (and slung a few in anger myself), and therefore I believe it is credible for me to state that I was not a Y2KPro type groupie who flocked over to the new forum mindlessly to await my rude awakening and ...what was it posted above...what I have coming to me? I have read some 'nanner nanner boo boo', or whatever Ynott called it, on both forums. Big deal. People don't just post to share news on these forums, they post to express themselves. I don't think the 'nanner' mentality is exclusive to one forum or the other. Some is expressed in rather crude and infantile ways, and some is couched in rather erudite verbage.

I'm not sure that those who are seeking a response of more depth and detail (regarding the banning of Flint) are just beating a dead horse. Giving a vague response and then simply closing a door is not very satisfactory to anyone of principle. If people follow the 'rules' and still get banned, then this forum does smack of a private club. Mind you, I'm not saying that one does not have the right to own and operate such a club, but to denigrate and misconstrue and stereotype those who value a different type of forum and format is 'nannerism' to the extreme.

I don't think there is a black and white analysis coming easily in the offing here, and I certainly do not feel that participants in either forum should be lumped and labelled.

Best wishes to all here..."

(end of other post)

-- Mumsie (shezdremn@aol.com), March 06, 2000.

Hi Mumsie,

Glad to see you found us! Stick around, we'll watch what happens!

O.

-- Ornithorhynchus (ornithorhynchus@creek.paddle), March 06, 2000.

Well Quick, there's tuna loaf, tuna kaboobs, tuna cocktail, tuna upside down cake, tuna creole, tuna tacos, corn tuna, tuna ala mode, tuna fricasse, curried tuna, tuna croutettes, pineapple tuna in pastry shells, sweet and sour tuna, barbeduced tuna, tuna bolognese, tuna au gratin, french fried tuna, tuna and dumplings, tuna meringue pie, tuna bread, tuna soup, dill tuna, tuna parmesian...and then theres...

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), March 06, 2000.

Anita, LL was very comfortable in what she was doing (the spamming, and vulgar behavior). She would go back to DeBunker's and GNIABFI and brag about it. Would you like for me to post those threads? Or how about this one?

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/11874.html

She's trying to emulate Charlie, without a clue where to start.

Posted by (63.22.196.38) Anita on January 26, 2000 at 14:42:03:

In Reply to: Re: DOOMER WOMEN ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL PROPORTIONAL TO THEIR DOOM MEME... posted by the maid on January 26, 2000 at 14:12:04:

It's humorous, actually. She began on TB2000 trying to convince those there that she agreed with them. Then, SUDDENLY, she saw the "light" and came here in an attempt to become a debunker and write a book on something. She can't seem to grasp the real world, so spends her time emulating Charlie, who has FAR more experience and information than she'll EVER have. I actually blame Charlie in part, because his chivalrous attitude towards women in general allowed her to turn this forum into the AOL chat-room that it's become.

I've learned to ignore her for the most, but her insistence that women should engage only in activities of which SHE approves [which might be soap-operas and bon-bon munching for all I know] and the illogical conclusions drawn regarding women who choose other paths lead me to DEBUNK her assertions.

-------------------------

Don't you feel uncomfortable now?

-- Archiver (Archiverrr@archiverrr.xcom), March 06, 2000.

LL gives her reasons for spamming.....

Re: Not the complete story there, I'm afraid. Anita doesn't know what she's talking about.

Posted by (152.205.159.10) Ladylogic on January 18, 2000 at 15:36:41:

In Reply to: Not the complete story there, I'm afraid. posted by Anita on January 18, 2000 at 14:37:36:

Anita,

You're right, you're not a psychologist. You don't have any idea what my motivation was for disrupting that chatroom. There were two (and you can probably verify #2 with "Resolved" or Brian.)

1) When I first went to the chatroom, I got upset because Cynthia spends 10 hours a day there. That upset me because she has 7 children, 2 of which are at home. When I suggested she might want to get off the internet and spend more time raising them, she, unk D, and two other woman went bonkers! (Unk D started spamming to stop the conversation,... and that's how I learned to spam.[He didn't want Cynthia to leave. I assume the other two women defended her because they felt guilty too? I don't know. Who knows what peoples motivations are? You sure don't.])

2) Later, when I realized Y2K wasn't going to be bad, I couldn't get people to listen.

I WAS FRUSTRATED

If you recall, I told you that "boyfriend" was a man in town I met online who was going to that chatroom. Later I did a background check on him...and found out he was married.

The reason I spammed, cussed, and was off-color in the chatroom was to disrupt. DISRUPT! I think I did a darn good job of it! I didn't want anyone to spend any more money on preps, most of all my "boyfriend" (that was before I knew he was married). Later, I just spammed for the hell of it because you and Old Idiot Git would piss me off. It's real easy to put a paperweight on the enter key and walk away...

Follow Ups:

Hey...Laura....nice job....defending yourself...AND giving the doomers a little of what they had coming....they can only see their side and analysis...I for one stand steadfast in your defense. and Mr Polly 15:51:41 01/18/00 (0)

-- Archiver (Archiverrr@Archiverr.xcom), March 06, 2000.

Here's where you can find LL boasting about spamming:

http://stand77.com/wwwboard/messages/11086.html

-- Archiver (Archiverr@Archiverr.xcom), March 06, 2000.

Archiver:

Why would I feel uncomfortable? I said I'm willing to move on and give EVERYONE a clean slate. I will judge behavior on THIS forum, not ASSUME that past behavior will be repeated.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 06, 2000.

Archiver,

Can you give it a rest, please? I'm not spamming and I don't have any intentions to.

Lord, I don't know how many times a day I have to say that. I'm tired of it, and I'm tired of not being able to post my flower. To hell with it, I'm going to post it even if someone imitates me.

I'm taking the high road, how 'bout you? (Anita, you and I already have.)

~*~

-- laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), March 06, 2000.

LL, you don't have to say it another time as far as I'm concerned. Frankly, I'm mortified about being a scairdy cat and stocking up on a bunch of stuff that I don't need. Then losing a bundle by sellling my stock; then watching it just climb and climb.

Wish you'd been my neighbor and locked me up in the garage with all my bottles of water until I came to my senses and got over my virus MEME. Jesus what an idiot I was. I now have to eat rice and beans served with a big portion of crow. Yuck!!

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), March 06, 2000.

I'm the Energizer Rabbit, I'll keep going and going and going.......To bad when we asked you to give it a rest what did you tell us? You told us to F**K OFF!

-- Archiver (Archiverr@Archiverr.xcom), March 06, 2000.

Youre not fooling anybody Gilda. With your attitude and humor you are the real winner.

-- Sifting (through@the.rubble), March 06, 2000.

gilda,

We were all idiots to one degree or another -- at some point in time. Holy cow, you should see the stacks of canned foods, sugar, noodles, water purification equipment, books, etc. I have stored under my brother's house. I never really kept track of how much I spent but it was enough to leave a sting that still smarts.

I'm sorry about your stocks.

Oh, what the heck, we learned some valuable lessons, didn't we? Personally, I will never, ever be afraid of something I can't control again. I used to worry that someone will steal my car, or my niece and nephews won't have a great education, or I'll never meet the right guy. You know what? I don't worry about any of those things anymore because I don't have much control over anything. Worrying is for the birds. We just need to take prudent measures with everything we do, and let the chips fall.

Hey, did I ever tell you I used to volunteer at the Humane Society when I had the time? I felt like I needed to because I pick up stray animals because I hate to see them suffer. People dump cats out in the desert all the time thinking they'll eat snakes or something. Unfortunately, the reality is the coyotes get them or they die slowly from lack of water or food. I've picked up over 200 some years. (My neighbors used to call me the "cat lady" -- now I'm just the eccentric lady that's on the computer all day [g].)

gilda, my memory isn't the greatest. Last year, did I say to you, "Take my hand, we'll get through this together"? Right now I'm wishing we had hung together the whole time. It would have been nice to have gone through all this with an e-girlfriend.

It doesn't matter. We came out the other side alive, and well, and with safe, hot water. I'm glad you're here, babe. Sharing experience with people who have been in the same trenches is cathartic. (I guess that's why veterans spend so much time together?)

Take it easy, sweetie. I'll see you later.

~*~

-- laura (Ladylogic@.....), March 06, 2000.

it seems OldGit with her new handle is going to try and keep the mud flying. If enough people yell "STOP IT!" and DON'T RESPOND to this childish "he said/she said" crap, this troll will have to leave.

Perhaps OldForumRegular could institute a policy of no cross posting? or at least no cross posting of personal or sensitive information such as IP addresses? I say that because posting personal info is just as inflamitory as the "censuring" that went on in the past. Eliminate the inflamitory and you take away "reasons" for trolling.

This thread started off as a "let bygones be bygones". Please EVERYONE, lets not let a few extreme people hold on to the hate of the past, and ruin this forum for everyone. Face it, pessimists and MOTR were wrong about y2k. Lets get over it and talk about "why" we were so far off.

-- middlegrounder (standing@the.middle), March 07, 2000.

First of all, you do not know who I am, so why do you blantly accuse Old Git of being me? Should I call you "middlegrounder" someone whom you are not? Would that be fair to you? Everytime I am called someone that I am not, I will turn the tables around, fair enough? Personal IP addresses are just what they are, personal. However, in the archives on several forums, is information that the person themselves posted for anyone and everyone to see. It is not a secret, it has become public knowledge. I suggest anyone who doesn't want anyone who does not want anyone knowing anything about them, then don't post personal information anywhere on the internet. BTW, I purposefully stayed away from such threads because you never know when it could come back and bite you in the butt. I see already you want cross posting censored, I don't think your in the "middle of the road," I think you've gone to the left. That's the beauty of this place isn't it, to post information whether it be good or bad?

Since Y2K is over, why rehash the past? Yes we were wrong but why keep going back and rehasing the same ol' thing? By gones are not by gones they are historical facts, and as long as we keep talking about where we went wrong, the dust will never settle. This forum is called TB2000 Spinoff Uncensored, let's keep it that way.

-- Archiver (Archiverr@Archiverr.xcom), March 07, 2000.

well, "archiver", I have seen several posts from you under three different "handles". That constitutes trolling in most forums. If you want to add to the discussion, you should, and are welcome to do so. If you are only interested in stirring trouble and re-hashing the past, I submit that you will not be accepted by the majority here.

People are SICK of the mudslinging and want to MOVE ON.

marching morons revisited

Y2K and the Doomsayer Predisposition

Try joining a fruitful discussion and MOVE ON. Let go of your hate and MOVE ON.

btw, on many fora it is not allowed to post personal information of ANY KIND. It does not matter if an IP # is contained in posts to other fora, they are posted on that forum not this one. If you want to read them, go to the other forums and read them; no one wants to see old quotes a rehash of the "hesaid/shesaid" debate. More often than not, phrases and quotes are taken out of context, and mis-represented BY SOMEONE WITH AN AGENDA.

Is that you, "archiver"?

Signed,

former 3-4 on the y2kscale hence the name...

-- middlegrounder (standing@the.middle), March 07, 2000.

Middlegrounder:

Oldregular has suggested that folks simply ignore the trolls. It's not like every forum doesn't have them. I've already shared MY views with Archiver, and now you've shared yours.

Contrary to popular opinion, I think silence says quite a bit.

-- Anita (notgiving@anymore.thingee), March 07, 2000.

middle grounder,

Let me take a guess. Archiver is chasing me around and biting my rear as "Archiver" but she's also posting as "helen" and "MissIdentified" in the other threads.

Archiver,

What you're doing is just plain crazy. I've moved on and I've tried to make amends. You may not appreciate that, but I have to ask you to think for a moment about how sane it is for you to be spending your life, concentrating on mine? Actually, I'm kinda flattered that anyone would want to devote that much time to me, and I'm simply amazed that a woman would do it. Even when I was "dating" Mr Polly he didn't pay me that much attention.

Calm down, girl. My life isn't important to anyone but you.

(P.S. I'm not ashamed of anything I've said or done, so you're really wasting your time.)

Take care, 'cause I don't wish you any harm.

~*~

-- laura (Lady@.........), March 07, 2000.

Ladyillogic, you are plain crazy, as a matter of fact, I think you are parading around as "helen" and "MisIdentified." There see how easy it is to accuse someone of being someone they are not? If you don't like me posting the things you have bragged and said in the past, don't read them. After all, you said them I didn't, and if your not ashamed of anything you've said or done in the past, what's the problem? Freedom of speech and uncensored I like it!

-- Archiver (Archiverr@archiverr.xcom), March 07, 2000.

Middlegrounder, no, and quit accusing me of being someone I am not. BTW, are YOU those people? The tables can be turned around too. You have an anonymous name as well as many other's here but how do I know you aren't those people you have accused me of being? If you don't like me posting historical archived material, don't read it.

-- Archiver (Archiverr@archiverr.xcom), March 07, 2000.

Peace is for the lazy.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), March 07, 2000.