are there any anarchists here on the anarchy forum?

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any anarchists here?

-- sdqa & PUNKER (greg_pisahov@hotmail.com), January 25, 2005

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Anarchy is in itself not what it's thought to be. Anarchy is just another word for survival of the fittest. If there is no government, you'd better be stronger, faster, and smarter than everyone else, because there's no law to keep someone from killing you and raping your wife and killing your children. Anarchy = survival of the fittest. That's all. That's why anarchists should think twice before taking that side.

-- LordBrent (Anarchy@ndAtheism.isdumb), January 25, 2005.

dude u don't nothing about anarchy

http://anarchy.be/anarchie/teksten/anarchyfaq.html

go to this site and learn somehting

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 25, 2005.


HELP! the proletariats and the arachists are controling the means of production!

-- (Z@h.c), January 25, 2005.

LORDBRENT,

WELL SAID. ANARCHIST ARE JUST A BUNCH OF SPOILED MORONSWHO ARE LOOKING FOR THE NEXT COOL. ANARCHY IS HELL

-- ALIEN MMIST (CURL_MATRIX@YAHOO.COM), January 26, 2005.


Actually, there are only two anarchists on this site. The rest of us work for the FBI or other .gov agencies who monitor the internet and keep tabs on who believes what.

You didn't think you'd find anonymity on the internet did you? We track where you've been - every last site. Our search engines then calculate to a certain degree of certainty whether or not you are a true threat to society or just a loner who needs to vent.

Those who are deemed threats are flagged - so when the balloon goes up, they'll all be taken care of. The others... well, as they're the majority by far, nothing will happen to them that won't happen to everyone else.

Now, don't run out and buy anything like a rifle or something. We'll know from reading your credit card receipts and add another flag to your name! Don't take out any large quantity of cash either - another flag. In fact, don't change your lifestyle abruptly either.

If you think you are flagged...you probably are in some way. But there's nothing to worry about provided you don't add to those flags by doing something stupid like the above actions or overtly break the law. Most people live their whole lives with something on their files that could spell trouble to them should the balloon go up and we need to declare martial law. But while that doesn't happen, neither will this information be used against you. So pray for peace, and be peaceful and no one will get hurt.

Interestingly, most of the real anarchists are simple highschool drop outs who at most pose a low level threat of common criminality - larceny, robbery, perhaps low level violence. They're typically the ones who use ALL CAPS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO WRITE NORMALLY. They also tend to misspell words, use curse words, and emotion rather than logic in arguing with others online.

Now, say you are a clever, college educated anarchist who has been calling for the overthrow of the "regime" for some time now. You're flagged and good...if you start writing in a different style we'll just add another flag - aha, he's trying to hide himself- psychological profile of increased danger... bi-polar or akin disorder leading to increased anti-social behavior. Or just a childish evasion like hiding behind a sheet and claiming not to be there.

No, just be yourself guys, we know who you are anyway.

The real people to worry about are those with more education...but then, they don't frequent this site or similar sites for the mere reason that they ARE more educated, and hence, cagey.

The people who never log on the internet at all - they're the real dangers. Fortunately, they're rare enough to allow us to use our limited HUMINT resources such as good old detectives, garbage men, and bugs (or ex-girlfriends, ex-teachers, and ex-wives).

Oh and no, the moderators and site providers won't know who's who. The trick is...any public access site can allow the .gov to monitor things automatically. The more private sites require only a bit more effort to monitor.

Only a true intranet would allow a person to vent unnoticed... but then, only if the computers were linked via fiber optics buried underground as we can monitor everything else.

But of course, just like the people who don't use the internet, such facilities are few and far between, allowing us leisure to penetrate them with human resources to down load everything for review on a regular basis.

So why haven't we scored OBL? Easy, he and his henchmen don't use the internet and don't have an intranet. The most sophisticated devices they use are telephones but they don't say anything interesting on them. Couriers and snail mail are slow but unless captured, are totally secure...which is why he's still free and at large.

But then, who in the US is off grid? A home without telephones and internet access - or that has it but has unusually low usage amounts would cause an automatic flag... whereas in Pakistan, such a home would be the norm.

Now then, doesn't this make you all feel that much better about life? Just knowing that we know all that you've seen *(and alot of what you've written) on the internet...it's kind of like we know you better than your best friends do. Perhaps we know you better than you know yourself because we don't forget, and unlike you, we have the best psychologists and experts mining every detail of your life - putting together mysteries that perhaps baffle even yourself.

So remember when you are feeling dispondent...and think that no one understands you, that in fact, we do understand you and are always listening and watching.

Comforting, I know.

Peace



-- Anon (anonymous@yahoo.com), January 26, 2005.



I could use a career. How much money can one make spying on the mentally ill and the socially inept? Is it fulfilling? Do you get off on it? I have to ask this next one, Can you send me an email? I will offically cak my pants.

I have not written anything worthy of flags.

-- X (..@..com), January 26, 2005.


I felt like resisting but now I feel acceptance.

-- (..@..com), January 26, 2005.

http://anarchy.be/anarchie/teksten/anarchyfaq.html

i really suggest you all go to this site,because anarchy isn't about violence or anything that you are saying here...

the FBI is controlling me eh?

well i don't live in the usa,and i am at jerry's place so why should i give a fuck?

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 27, 2005.


http://www.etherzone.com/2004/moon012004.shtml "Published originally at EtherZone.com : Patriot Act allows for the wholesale surveillance of private citizens, private business records and other materials without proof of probable cause."

6a) This is a flat out lie. The P A does not give police access to any more information on private citizens than is already available without a warrant. Nor does it allow the police to obtain the private business records of private citizens for surveillance purposes. This includes library or book store records without the consent of the business.

7. "The Patriot Act destroys all Email and Internet privacy."

7a) No one has been detained, arrested, or charged for information sent out over the internet unless the surveillance was approved with a warrant before hand. The P A does not expand the wire tap laws to include Emails. Also, have you or anyone you know been approached, arrested or detained for criticizing the Bush administration or the government due to something published on the Internet? No one has been arrested despite the vicious lies people state about Bush and company. If they had move-on.org would be closed down.

-- (bl@rg.com), January 27, 2005.


Wow, talk about a random-ass post. And hey, what do you know, it's wrong to boot.

"This is a flat out lie. The P A does not give police access to any more information on private citizens than is already available without a warrant. Nor does it allow the police to obtain the private business records of private citizens for surveillance purposes. This includes library or book store records without the consent of the business."

It allows law enforcement to tap your phones and enter your house without a warrant and without you even knowing. An yes, it does allow the police to obtain your private buisiness and library records. Section 501 allows just that. In fact, it's title is "ACCESS TO CERTAIN BUSINESS RECORDS FOR FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE AND INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM INVESTIGATIONS". It requires private buisinesses to comply with federal investigations and hand over whatever records they have on said subversive...er...terrorist...and prohibits them from telling anyone that the federal government is watching them (a few brave librarians have been defying this by putting up signs that say "Under Section 501 of the PATRIOT Act, we aren't allowed to tell you whether or not the government is watching what you read, so you never know...).

So your assertion is entirely wrong. Congradulations.

"No one has been detained, arrested, or charged for information sent out over the internet unless the surveillance was approved with a warrant before hand. The P A does not expand the wire tap laws to include Emails."

Funny thing about that...Sections 201 and 202 give law enforcement the "authority to intercept wire, oral, and ELECTRONIC communications relating to terrorism". So yes, Big Brother can, in fact read your emails. Maybe you should **READ** the PATRIOT Act before attempting to debate about it...even if you did just copy and paste someone else's piss-poor arguments.

"Also, have you or anyone you know been approached, arrested or detained for criticizing the Bush administration or the government due to something published on the Internet? No one has been arrested despite the vicious lies people state about Bush and company. If they had move-on.org would be closed down. "

Ys, I do know of someone who has been arrested for criticizing the government on the internet. Sherman Austin, who ran an anarchist website called Raisethefist.com, was arrested on January 24, 2002, after someone else posted a link to a bomb-making page in Raisethefist.com's open forums. The FBI raided his home and seized his computers and books. They found no bomb-making material or literature and nothing illegal in his house. He had not committed a crime, but his house was surrounded by 25 federal agents with automatic weapons. After they failed to find anything incriminating, they let him go (but kept all his expensive computer equipment). A few weeks later, he drove up to New York to participate in the protests against the World Economic Forum. Apparently, the Secret Service had been watching him and alerted NYPD to his presence. They promptly picked him up before he even had a chance to do some good protesting.

He was held by NYPD for 30 hours and interrogated by FBI and Secret Service, asking him questions like "are you a terrorist?", "why do you hate America?", and "what weapons of mass destruction were you planning on using to disrupt the World Economic Forum meeting?". Finaly, they refused to let him leave until he allowed them to search his car. Having nothing to hide, he signed over his keys. They released him and told him to wait in the courthouse until they were done searching his car. 30 minutes later, the FBI agents returned and arrested him for "distributing information about explosives on the internet". They found nothing incriminating in his car, but that didn't stop them from throwing him in a maximum security prison, in the same cell block as terrorists on trial for the USS Cole bombing. At his bail hearing, the prosecution painted him as a terrorist on a mission to blow up the World Economic Forum, and then to blow up the Olympics on his way home, despite not having any evidence to support this claim. The prosecution submitted falsified reports and just plain made stuff up out of the air in order to make him out to be a "radical". He was sentenced to a year in prison, and is now currently under probation and is required to live in a halfway house. Once he is released, he will be prohibited for associating himself with any froup that "seeks to change the government"...barring him even from groups such as the Sierra Club and the Democratic Party.

So yes, the PATRIOT Act has been used against people who spoke out against the government. It gives the government immense new power, which they are abusing, and will CONTINUE TO ABUSE if we let them get away with it. You clearly posted that article without even bothering to do your own homework, because a quick glance through the PATRIOT Act will show you that both those assertions are completely wrong. Go away, and don't post here again until you actualy bother to inform yourself.

-- Anti-Bush (comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 27, 2005.



I will not take what you said personally.:) you cannot make me angry or upset. Even posting something contrary to the article posted does not make me feel like a fool, even if ur rhethoric attempts this. you did however clear some info. Here we are in the information age.. We should be protected from this sort of thing.

-- (bl@rg.com), January 28, 2005.

Sorry for the personal attacks, but dude, you need to do your own homework before posting something by someone else. All of that information can be proven wrong with even the quickest glance at the PATRIOT Act, had you bothered to read it.

-- Anti-Bush (comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 28, 2005.

Hey anon, make your post longer next time.

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 29, 2005.

Longer posts would provoke a flag and since I'm flagging others, I don't want to give my office more work than necessary. Besides the IGMATRD folk would probably ask when I had time to write such long emails.

-- anon (anonymous@yahoo.com), January 31, 2005.

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