FROM THE DEEPEST OF MY HEART AND SOUL,I REALLY DISPISE AND DISRESPECT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

ARE THESE BUCNH OF VIRGINS SUPPOSED TO DECIDE MY FATE IN MY SEXUAL LIFE AND MY NORMAL LIFE?

IF IT REALLY WAS GODS AND JESUS CHURCH THEY WOULDNT HAVE SUCH A HISTORY OF CRIME AS THEY HAVE

ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MONEY

THEY ARE THE RICHEST CHURCH IN THE WORLD BECAUSE OF THE INDULGENCES

I CANT BELIEVE HOW ANYONE CAN BE PART OF AN ORGANISATION WITH SUCH A BLOODY HISTORY

CHRIST MUST BE TURNING IN HIS GRAVE RIGHT NOW

THE WHOLE CATHOLIC RELIGION IS BASED ON IS BASED ON MISINTERPRETATIONS OF THE BIBLE

YOU BELIEVE THAT IF TAHT ONE MAN MAKES SOME STATEMENTS ON THAT ONE CHAIR THAT GOD SPOKE?

OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE,GOD DID NEVER SPEAK ABOUT THIS EVIL INSTITUTION

YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT IT IS YOUR SALVATION

YOU BELIEVE SOME STUPID LETTERS ON PAPER THAT EVERYONE COULD HAVE WRITTEN

THIS KIND OF FAITH IS SPITTING ON THE VIRTUE OF THE HUMAN MIND

SPITTING ON RATIONALIZATION AND WISDOM

LIFE IS SO SO MUCH MORE THAN YOU THINK IT IS

SEX IS REALLY GOOD

IT ISNT EVIL

MARRIAGE IS DEATH ITSELF

IS PRESCRIBING YOURSELF TO A BORING LIFE

I DONT THINK WE SHOULD BOTHER MUCH ABOUT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

LESS AND LESS YOUNG PEOPLE DONT BELIEVE SO I THINK WE SHOULD ALL LET THE RCC ROT IN OBLIVION

THEY FORBID CONDOMS BUT ALLOW NFP

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

THAT THE ONE IS NATURAL?

THE RESULT IS THE SAME

THEY CANT HAVE SEX TILL THEY ARE MARRIED

DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT WE ALL ARE GOING TO WAIT TO BECOME 18 TO HAVE SEX? AND GET MARRIED THEN?

HOW CAN YOU MARRY SOMEONE WITHUOT HAVING SEX FIRST?

THIS IS ALL PURE HYPOCRISY

LIKE SDQA ALWAYS SAYS:

I WANNA THANK THE HIPPIES FOR BRINGIN UP THE SEXUAL EVOLUTION AND I WANNA THANK THE PUNKS FOR THEIR WISDOM ABOUT LIFE AND SOCIETY

THINK DIFFERENT

BECOME YOURSELF AGAIN

FREE YOURSELF FROM ILLUSIONS

AND ENJOY LIFE,

PUNKER

(DEDICATED TO MY FRIEND SDQA WHO'S GIRLFRIEND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TOOK AWAY)

-- PUNKER (GREG_PISAHOV@HOTMAIL.COM), January 20, 2005

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You're a disgrace. A mistake. Shutup. You and your friend sdqa are both idiots and you're both naive little shits. Raving about the RCC, LMAO. What a couple of douche bags. Oh yeah and another thing: Punkers are nothing more than children with rebellion. When you say "punks," what the fuck are you talking about? You punk rockers, I swear. Here's a tip for life: leave politics to politicians and music to musicians. Those little political lyrics that you're punk rock bands are spewing out of their non-talented power chord stroking asses are nothing more than uneducated, uninformed beliefs because they don't know what the real world is like. Rebel against America, America sucks, blah blah blah. SHUT THE FUCK UP. There are what, like hundreds of countries in the world? If their bands were worth a dick maybe they could turn a profit and move out of the country, if that's really what they believed. But see the thing you dicksmokers don't catch on to is that the only reason they keep this rebellious anti-civil persona on is because you're dumbasses keep buying them. It's nothing more than a record labels tactic to get your dollar. Dipshits. You're both tools, you buy into all this bullshit. You don't know shit about life.

Another thing, why do you constantly talk in caps lock as if our eyes can't read normal print? Idiots.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 20, 2005.

AND YOU CANT HAVE SEX TILL YOU ARE MARRIED

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

IDIOT

-- PUNKER (GREG_PISAHOV@HOTMAIL.COM), January 20, 2005.

Me and my girlfriend do have sex and we are not married. But thanks for the shitty accusations, Mrs. Chleo. What a dipshit.

-- Brent Arnodl (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 20, 2005.

And, not only that, but I doubt someone of your age and intelligence (because it seems as if they go hand in hand in your case) could even get your dick what anyways. So don't throw stones, kid.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 20, 2005.

dick wet*

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 20, 2005.

Me and my girlfriend do have sex and we are not married. But thanks for the shitty accusations, Mrs. Chleo. What a dipshit.

did u know that that is a mortal sin?

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 21, 2005.

I don't ever remember telling you that I was a Christian? I never once stated my own stand on religion, so don't claim that what I'm doing is biased. But, just for your personal satisfaction, yes, I know that it's sin. Thanks for the heads up. I know more about religion, politics, and life than you. Believe me, you're just a child.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.

so what are you?

if you are not a catholic chistian why bother about this post then?

we all know the RCC's intentions and their bloody history...catholics just deny it...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), January 21, 2005.

So if a scientists noticed that there was a direct connection between smoking and lung cancer so tried to warn people about this and asked them to change their habits...would this be bad?

No. What "right" would he have to tell other people what to do? Well, the right to speak for one... and the duty to inform people of something that is objectively harmful to them, no matter how good that habit makes them feel....

If smokers still want to smoke because they're addicted and don't feel capable of stopping... they ought to still know the truth shouldn't they?

If the scientist goes and proves that smoking is so bad because it's addictive AND harmful and then PERSUADES lots of other people to agree with him on this... and these majority of people pass laws to keep kids from smoking or limiting it among adults... they are EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS.

Now what if instead of a white-coated scientist you have a group of priests who notice over a couple hundred years of experience that there is a direct link between pre-marital sex and STDs, emotional and psychological problems, violence, and abused children?

Why shouldn't this group of people have the right to PERSUADE others of their findings?

Or do you think you have a right to be stupid and uninformed? Where does this right to do what has been proven to be harmful to you and others come from?

Rights don't come from your opinion or your whim pal...because rights don't mean "whatever I feel like doing". They mean duties owed to people by others on the basis of our common human nature (natural rights) or on the basis of mutual agreement (civil rights).

Pre-marital sex is OBJECTIVELY HARMFUL. You - like a smoker may FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT... but that doesn't change the FACT that it's bad for you, and for lots of other people who are dying of various STDs, incapacitated emotionally and psychologically, and who increase the chances of being unable to care for children by being slaves to their passions rather than reason.

So the Church is totally backed up by science and logic and philosophy on this one, while hedons like you are left with only your opinion and feelings.

And also, since we out number you, we DO have the right to pass laws in this democratic republic - laws which you will then have to obey on the pain of being arrested.

Oh, and by the way, it would probably be good for you to do some homework before claiming that the Church is rich thanks to indulgences (which haven't been sold for 400 years...and even then were sold by renegages, not faithful Catholics).

The Vatican's operating income and budget is smaller than Yale or Harvard's budgets... and the number of bureaucrats runing the Church are hundreds of times smaller than those running any other government... 1000 people for 1 billion Catholics...

There is no inquisition anymore...because the world was angry with the Church being able to arrest and try its own members... so when bad bishops and priests started doing bad stuff there was no system within the Church to do anything about it.

Oh, of course, you DON'T KNOW that the Catholic Church ISNT' run like a corporation and the Pope isn't CEO... each bishop of each of the 4,500 dioceses has ALOT of power... so that the priest scandal (in which less than 3% of priests were involved - a rate smaller than the rate of PROFESSORS GUILTY OF PEDOPHILIA...) wasn't a Church-wide problem, and it wasn't something mandated by the top.

If the Church had been teaching for centuries that it was OK for priests to have sex with minors...or that it was OK for anyone to have sex with anyone just because they felt good about it... then the priest scandal really would be something to blame the Church for...

but the Church has taught consistently that priests should NOT have sex or abuse anyone, and that sex is for marriage alone... so when priests, bishops and lay people DISOBEY OFFICIAL CHURCH TEACHING INCLUDING THE TEACHING THAT GUILTY PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE ARRESTED...WHOSE FAULT IS IT? IT'S THEIR FAULT, NOT THE FAULT OF THE MAJORITY WHO TAUGHT FOR 2000 YEARS THAT THOSE ACTIONS WERE AND ARE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OF course, it's better to blame those who had nothing to do with it than blame the actual perverts right?

-- Joe (joestong@yahoo.com), January 21, 2005.

"When you say "punks," what the fuck are you talking about? You punk rockers, I swear. Here's a tip for life: leave politics to politicians and music to musicians."

Fuck you, buddy. Let me clue you in on something. POLITICIANS DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE PEOPLE! Musicians are artists. Art is where people express themselves. Rock and roll is about rebellion. That's the reason it was created, and that's something REAL rock and roll has never forgotten. You just don't hear it on Clear Channel radio.

"Those little political lyrics that you're punk rock bands are spewing out of their non-talented power chord stroking asses are nothing more than uneducated, uninformed beliefs because they don't know what the real world is like."

Again, punk rock is the sound track to the revolution, man. It's a way to express anger towards the establishment in a productive way, to raise awareness about the issues. You've obviously never been to a punk rock show (just as well; you wouldn't last thirty seconds in a mosh pit and I wouldn't want to have to fill out all that paperwork when the paramedics arive). There's always tables with all kinds of pamphlets and flyers and booklets about some upcoming protest, information about some local Green Party candidates, or reasons to go vegan...You probably grew up in the 60's...punks are basicaly hippies with less drugs. If you think music and art have no place in society, then you must be one boring-ass person.

What kind of music do you listen to, anyway? Country? Country sucks. Modern country is simply sugar-coated rock and roll re-written by rednecks to be pro-establishment (thus pissing all over the origional spirit of the music).

-- Anti-Bush (comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 21, 2005.

Moron. I listen to Lamb of God, Nothingface, Acid Bath, Pink Floyd, anything with talent. Not punk rock. The only punk rock band I ever had appreciation for was Leftover Crack. I've been in more mosh pits (and you think you've been in a mosh pit? What a dipshit. Punkers don't mosh, they bunny hop and look like dipshits with shredded clothing as if it's an attempt to rebel against stylish people) than you have thought about being in. I've seen more live shows than you've downloaded. I know music. You don't know shit. I've gone though my "punk" stage back when I was in high school and I thought I knew a fucking thing. Black Flag, Anti-Flag, Operation Ivy, they all fucking suck. You're probably into your little high school local punk rock scene that's popular where you live, aren't you? Stupid fuck. I've been there and done that and saw the light, or rather am no longer blinded by idiocy and immaturity. The more you know, the more you don't know...

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.

Ok, Floyd, I like. But Lamb of God? Jesus Tapdancing Christ, dude. Hey, let's get some shitty guitars, plug 'em into shitty amps, and then get people with no talent to play them, but turn the distortion way up and hope nobody notices. Then we'll scream our fucking brains out for about five minutes and pretend it's a song. Then maybe we'll inject Satan into our "lyrics" and throw a pentacle on the cover and paint our fingernails black to buy into the market of teenage angst. Yeah, a bunch of teenagers who hate their parents and don't wanna go to church will buy our records if we talk about Satan and pretend to be all depressed.

Fuck metal. Fuck it with a big, spikey dildo. It's a completely useless, passionless genre built on phony rebellion, devoid of all social conscience and intellect. Will you hear a song about the military-industrial complex from Lamb of God? Nope, that was Pennywise. Will you hear a song about globalization? Nope, that was NOFX. Will you hear a song calling for global unity in the face of war and opression? Nope, that was Operation Ivy. Music is about rebellion and expressing yourself, dude. Most subgenres of rock and roll have forgotten that, and punk rock is simply carrying the torch while everybody else is out to lunch.

By the way, I salute you for listening to Pink Floyd. Punk rock isn't the only good type of music. I love 70's rock; Floyd, Zepplin, Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young, the Who, the Talking Heads, ect.

Also, you gotta love a little bit of Bob Marley. That guy was talented. A fucking genius. I recently got the Songs of Freedom boxed set, four CD's that span his entire carreer...I can't stop listening to it. If you want some other good reggae, listen to Burning Spear or Peter Tosh.

Also, some of the purer, less mainstream, more socialy conscious rap and hip-hop is pretty good. Not like Ja Rule or 50 Cent or any of that bullshit, but like NWA, Public Enemy, the Roots, maybe a little bit of early Dr. Dre...stuff like that. Maybe a little bit of Tupac, too...

But metal just sucks. Well, a little bit of Black Sabbath or Ozzy Osbourne or Zach Wylde, maybe...but like Pantera? I'm glad Dimebag is dead. What a waste of oxygen.

-- Anti-Bush (comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 21, 2005.

I completely agree that the metalhead groupies are usually an embarrassment, and I do agree with you that they are all fucking stupid. But I'm not a metalhead, so no harm done. I think what Lamb of God sings about is fucking retarded, and I wouldn't want to be their friends irl. But to say that they aren't talented is insane. They are more technical than any punk band you can name. Just let the rest of the board do their own research.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.

Oh yeah and Bob Marley kicks ass.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.

Ok, so they can play a pentatonic solo better than, say, Johnny Ramone (the origional Mr. Three-chord)...so what? Rock and roll isn't about technical guitar. If it adds to the spirit of it, fine. But most of the time it really doesn't. Yeah, punk is simple. Punk rock guitar is basicaly three or four different power chords; it's a stripped down, no bullshit genre; it's rock and roll for dummies. I'm a dummy. I like simplicity. That's what punk is. DIY rock. Rock and roll for everybody, not just the guitar elite.

-- Anti-Bush (comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 22, 2005.

'Ok, so they can play a pentatonic solo better than, say, Johnny Ramone (the origional Mr. Three-chord)...so what? Rock and roll isn't about technical guitar. If it adds to the spirit of it, fine. But most of the time it really doesn't. Yeah, punk is simple. Punk rock guitar is basicaly three or four different power chords; it's a stripped down, no bullshit genre; it's rock and roll for dummies. I'm a dummy. I like simplicity. That's what punk is. DIY rock. Rock and roll for everybody, not just the guitar elite.'

YEsssss!!!

not to forget that many punk bands can play real good guitar(for example pennywise,nofx,the vandals,...ever heard one of their good solos?),they just don't use solos so much in their music...

and technique without emotion is nothing

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 22, 2005.

And you know what? I don't care that Operation Ivy only uses three chords....they kick rediculous amounts of ass, so fuck you. Fuck you and everyone who looks like you.

*Directed at chaoticz

-- Anti-Bush (comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 22, 2005.