1/contraceptives=> evil!(so we all should get aids??? a very irresponsible teaching...)

2/if you are married you MUST have children if you can(who are they to tell how i have to organise my life?)

3/oral sex=>evil!(maybe because they never tried it??)

4/church and pope are infaillable(were they also infaillable during the time of indulgences,crusades,inquisitions,and when they red the bible in latin?)

5/anything that has to do with nudity,sex or anything in that way outside of marriage=>evil!

6/abortion of zygotes=>evil!(then every ejaculation is a genocide...)

JESUS DID NEVER TALK ABOUT THE RCC NOR DID HE ESTABLISH IT,HE NEVER TALKED ABOUT GIVING THEM FULL AUTHORITY TO TEACH THINGS BESIDE THE BIBLE,HE SAID THAT NOBODY DENY OR ADD ANYTHING TO THE BIBLE,HE NEVER SAID THAT YOU HAD TO BE PART OF THE RCC TO BE PART OF HIS CHURCH,HIS BODY OF BELIEVERS,I CAN TELL YOU TONS AND TONS OF THINGS THAT ARE WRONG WITH THE RCC BUT I CAN'T POST IT HERE BECAUSE IT WILL BE DELETED ANYWAY,YES SCRIPURA SOLA IS THE ONLY CORRECT FORM OF TRADITIONAL CHRISTIANITY(=>CALLED ZWINGLIANISM,AT LEAST AS FAR AS I KNOW )

*RCC=> ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 10, 2005

-- PUNKER (GREG_PISAHOV@HOTMAIL.COM), January 13, 2005

Answers

but no everything in the bible is supposed to be taken literally like the zwinglians do,so their interpretation is also incorrect,i didn't knew this when i wrote that

i also doubt that the scriptures are true,after all it was the RCC who pur it together and people have also tendencies to make up myths and legends...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 13, 2005.

4/church and pope are infaillable(were they also infaillable during the time of indulgences,crusades,inquisitions,and when they red the bible in latin?)

I dont think that the Pope was declaired infaillable untill the 1800s... But still that was before the Catholic Church supported Hitler....

Also I dont mind what you say about them and you wont be deleted... just try reach to your left or your right and hit that shift key.

-- Dick Tator (inneedofliberty@yahoo.com), January 13, 2005.

the catholics claim that this is incorrect and puis 12 helped a lot of jews and that the jews thanked him for that...

i don't know what to believe anymore...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 13, 2005.

having been raised as a catholic and once having 'faith' i can say i completely agree, they are a bunch of hypocrites, and thats not the half of it.

-- sfdfh (sdfhiu@sfdhsdfh.fdhgh), January 13, 2005.

Yep, I was Catholic until my mother died (almost ALL Puerto Ricans are Catholic). My father was Episcopalian (close enough to Catholicism to make me puke). Organized religion is nothing but a device to control people. The Catholic Church was the first form of centralized government. The Pope is nothing but a MAN, and his shit stinks like anyone elses. Id love to get a picture of him taking a piss. Infallible? BWAHAHAHAHA.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), January 13, 2005.

hahahahaha

finally i meat some normal people on greenspun lol

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 13, 2005.

I am by no means a supporter of the Catholic Church, but I'll take the liberty of clearing a few things up for you:

"1/contraceptives=> evil!(so we all should get aids??? a very irresponsible teaching...)"

Well, this comes back to another Catholic doctrine; don't have sex until you're married. Generaly by the time you marry someone, you know them pretty well and are fairly certain they don't have AIDS. So, long as you follow that rule, AIDS and other STD's are a non-issue. But the thing is, most people don't follow that rule. Most people don't think it's immoral to have premarital sex. I can understand; I don't think it's necessarily wrong. I think as long as you know your partner and practice safe sex (condoms, pills, ect.), there's nothing morally wrong with it. Even within the context of marriage, I don't think contraception is wrong. Hell, I sure wouldn't want twelve kids running around sharing half of my DNA. That's an aneurism waiting to happen (especialy when you're swimming in my gene pool). So yes, this rule is bullshit.

"2/if you are married you MUST have children if you can(who are they to tell how i have to organise my life?)"

The Church believes that the purpose of marriage is to start a family, to raise lots of little Catholic babies who can repeat the cycle. That's how they define marriage, so naturaly they believe that a married couple must have children if they are able to. I don't agree with that; I think that marriage is simply about two PEOPLE deciding they want to commit to spending the rest of their lives with each other. Family is a good idea, but to each his own.

"3/oral sex=>evil!(maybe because they never tried it??)"

Again, long as you make sure your partner doesn't have herpes, I say knock yourself out.

"4/church and pope are infaillable(were they also infaillable during the time of indulgences,crusades,inquisitions,and when they red the bible in latin?)"

This is a mistake lots of people make. The Pope is infallible in matters of moral doctrine. If he makes a formal policy statement that something is right or wrong, he is correct. He can't be wrong (at least if you believe in Papal infallibility, which I don't). That does not mean that Pope's can't fuck up now and then in their personal lives. They are human, it happens. If the Pope runs a red light in his Pope-mobile, he is not covered under Papal infallibility.

"5/anything that has to do with nudity,sex or anything in that way outside of marriage=>evil!"

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of that one either.

"6/abortion of zygotes=>evil!(then every ejaculation is a genocide...)"

Depends what you're talking about. If you mean aborting a fetus that is halfway to term, then no, I am against it. But if you mean that morning after pill, then by all means, legalize it. No, I don't believe that "every sperm is sacred". A sperm is a single cell, just like an egg is. Nothing sacred about it. Twenty four hours after fetilization, it is still just a few cells. Still nothing to get teary-eyed over. But after a few months, once it has a heart, a brain, eyes...no. Then it is a child, and to kill it is murder.

And no, Jesus did not endorse the bloated and corrupt institution the Church has become over the last two thousand years. He told Peter to go start a Church, and I'm sure Peter did a pretty good job of it. In fact, I'm sure his successor did too. And his successor. But after a while, like all institutions do, it became corrupt. Sorry, but that's the truth.

-- Anti-Bush (comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 13, 2005.

I agree, Anti. I wouldn't want any kids running around with your DNA either. :)

-- K-Cee (k@cee.com), January 14, 2005.

"4/church and pope are infaillable(were they also infaillable during the time of indulgences,crusades,inquisitions,and when they red the bible in latin?)"

This is a mistake lots of people make. The Pope is infallible in matters of moral doctrine. If he makes a formal policy statement that something is right or wrong, he is correct. He can't be wrong (at least if you believe in Papal infallibility, which I don't). That does not mean that Pope's can't fuck up now and then in their personal lives. They are human, it happens. If the Pope runs a red light in his Pope-mobile, he is not covered under Papal infallibility.

[i know this...but their 'moral' doctrines were everything but moral,i suggest you read my post about this in 'how many wars religion has caused/prevented',i've put there a whole lot of their 'moral' doctrines throughout the centuries...and after all that crap they still have the guts to bring up the dogma(!) of papal infaillability...incredible...anyway i think it's complete bullshit...if the pope declares something on that one special chair,it's considered that god spoke through him...history has proven enough i think...i really don't think that it's very productive to rely blindly on an institution that caused so many problems and killed so many people...in fact catholicism is based on pure ignorance and misinterpretation of the scriptures]-sdqa

"6/abortion of zygotes=>evil!(then every ejaculation is a genocide...)"

Depends what you're talking about. If you mean aborting a fetus that is halfway to term, then no, I am against it. But if you mean that morning after pill, then by all means, legalize it. No, I don't believe that "every sperm is sacred". A sperm is a single cell, just like an egg is. Nothing sacred about it. Twenty four hours after fetilization, it is still just a few cells. Still nothing to get teary-eyed over. But after a few months, once it has a heart, a brain, eyes...no. Then it is a child, and to kill it is murder.

[i completly agree]-sdqa

And no, Jesus did not endorse the bloated and corrupt institution the Church has become over the last two thousand years. He told Peter to go start a Church, and I'm sure Peter did a pretty good job of it. In fact, I'm sure his successor did too. And his successor. But after a while, like all institutions do, it became corrupt. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[the big difference is that peter had a simple community and not an institution,it wasen't even called the catholic church and wasen't even close to what the church later looked like,peter also never had the title of pope;later,the catholics gave him this title so it all nicely fits in the story...]-sdqa

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 14, 2005.

anyway i think their teachings are very irresponsible and can put many useless burdens on the people's shoulders and really fuck up their lives

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 14, 2005.

SDQA,

Who cares what you think about Catholics or their beliefs? They aren't asking YOU to live up to them are they? If the Bhuddists or Catholics want to believe something, that's up to them. If you don't like it tough.

Bazooka joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 14, 2005.

their teachings are irresponsible and their religion is based on ignorance(that jesus established their church and that their church can teach anything it wants because jesus gave them power;also they really aren't aware of the history of their church or just simply deny it)

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 14, 2005.

What's it to you though? You don't have to even think about them. Go be a Hindu if you want, it's a free country.

Bazooka joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 14, 2005.

BJ a simplistic query. Don't b insulted but R U catholic or an apologetic??

-- (wtf@wtf.com), January 15, 2005.

Are those my only options? I guess I'm apologetic. I just don't understand what his beef with them is. They teach the same values as Judaism, Islam, Mormonism and the more conservative Protastant denominations. I don't understand why he's got his panties in a bunch. Did one of them steal his girlfriend or what?

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 15, 2005.

The Catholic Church is a big target. There is good and bad in any institution--- especially one thats 2000 yrs old. I felt the same as many here about the Church for quite a long time. People love to hate the Catholic Church. I guess its just something to do.

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), January 15, 2005.

how did you know that joe? that the church stole my girlfriend?

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 15, 2005.

Psychic powers, sdqa. For just $179.95 plus shipping I can teach you too to be an amazing psychic. The informational materials can be sent to you free if you are in financial need, but I can't be expected to eat the cost of shipping and handling, which will run you $5426.18. Cash or certified checks only, please.

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 16, 2005.

let's just call it manipulation and brainwashing joe...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 20, 2005.

SDQA, you sound to me like a high school strong-willed nothing who knows nothing and can prove nothing. You throw these opinions out about the RCC (which I believe has done some wrong things in the past, and still do so today) like it's something fresh and new that we've yet to come across. Infallability issues and corruption in the RCC is historically OLD FUCKING NEWS, MAN. The RCC tried to keep control of state issues, yeah, so what. Start a revolution, Che. You probably have parents who were Catholic and pressed the matter on you which in your natural rebellious adolescent state feel obligated to retaliate against all you've ever been taught, as if we give two shits. Jesus' teachings and the RCC's practices aren't one in the same, and I think we've all agreed on that like... 1500 years ago? Good job on writing old material.

-- Brent Arnodl (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 20, 2005.

well not everyone is aware of their hypocrisy,my parents didn't push anyting,the fuking RCC took my girl away and this is much worse

i just hate that stupid false religion and if i feel like writing about it what r u gonna do?

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 20, 2005.

Hah, spoken like a true dipshit. Writing because your life didn't go the way you want it. What a pussy. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. Fight fire with fire. You write bullshit on the internet because you're gay, and I'll write about you being full of shit. The circle of stupidity.

-- Brent Arnodl (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 20, 2005.

And for the record, the RCC didn't steal your girlfriend, you naive little shit. If you had any experience with women, or people in general, rather than sitting behind your PC saying retarded shit like "what r u gonna do" with your shitty typing and not-very-swift thinking, you'd know that the reason she left you is because you couldn't please her, whether that be emotionally (which I bet is the case, since you're a dolt, and the fact that you've probably never seen a pussy outside of a computer monitor in your 13-14 year lifespan)or in the bed. You're not good enough, go cry about it. Your parents made a mistake.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 20, 2005.

the fuking RCC took my girl away

Good. If she got closer to God, good for her, her life will be enriched. Maybe you should try going to church yourself, it might do you good. Why do you think she'd want to be around someone who posts stuff like "fornication is good"? You've got to grow up a bit to be in a real relationship.

Bazooka Joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 20, 2005.

TO A GOOD THAT DOENST EXIST...

YEAH REAL NICE

-- PUNKER (GREG_PISAHOV@HOTMAIL.COM), January 20, 2005.

AND MOST PEOPLE DO HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE

WE DONT LIVE IN THE MIDDLE AGES ANYMORE

-- PUNKER (GREG_PISAHOV@HOTMAIL.COM), January 20, 2005.

god***

-- GREG_PISAHOV@HOTMAIL.COM (GREG_PISAHOV@HOTMAIL.COM), January 20, 2005.

To a God that you cannot prove does not exist, dipshit. You are such a dumb fuck. You are uneducated and uninformed on all of your shitty comments. Waste of flesh. You're a dipshit. Blow me and die twice, cocksmoker.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 20, 2005.

you are really a nice example for the christians

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 21, 2005.

"JESUS DID NEVER TALK ABOUT THE RCC NOR DID HE ESTABLISH IT"

Really? Then what was all that talk about founding his "Church"?

"HE NEVER TALKED ABOUT GIVING THEM FULL AUTHORITY TO TEACH THINGS BESIDE THE BIBLE" Actually, Jesus never said the word "Bible" either. He did mention "scripture" but didn't quote chapter and verse because those were added later by CATHOLICS to help people remember things.

As for giving the Church full authority, that's clearly in end of Matthew's Gospel when he commanded his apostles to go make disciples of all nations, teaching them to obey all that he commanded and promising to be with THEM (the apostles, duh) always until the end of time... now the apostles were to go make disciples of all people - that's pretty darn Catholic (greek for universal) to me!

HE SAID THAT NOBODY DENY OR ADD ANYTHING TO THE BIBLE,HE NEVER SAID THAT YOU HAD TO BE PART OF THE RCC TO BE PART OF HIS CHURCH,HIS BODY OF BELIEVERS"

No, he said, the Holy Spirit would guide his apostles in all truth... the bit about adding or taking away is taken out of context from the book of Revelation, written by the apostle John.

And he didn't say a person could be saved apart from his body of believers either... so since he only founded ONE church which he commanded to go EVERYWHERE and make disciples of EVERYONE and get them to OBEY EVERY COMMAND of his... it follows logically, that should someone reject his commands... there isn't any way to then turn around and expect to be saved in him!

I CAN TELL YOU TONS AND TONS OF THINGS THAT ARE WRONG WITH THE RCC BUT I CAN'T POST IT HERE BECAUSE IT WILL BE DELETED ANYWAY,YES SCRIPURA SOLA IS THE ONLY CORRECT FORM OF TRADITIONAL CHRISTIANITY (=>CALLED ZWINGLIANISM,AT LEAST AS FAR AS I KNOW )

No, sola scriptura is nuts... it's nowhere found in the bible itself so that stupid theory is itself NON-SCRIPTURAL!

Besides... the Protestants themselves interpret scripture in opposing ways... proving that sola scriptura doesn't work.

-- Joe (joestong@yahoo.com), January 21, 2005.