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What do you think the best all around rifle is (accuracy wise)
I also have 300.00 to spend on a scope any suggestions??
-- Nicholas M. Perkins (firstname.lastname@example.org), November 06, 2003
in my humble opinion, the 270 bolt with some hornady ammo will do almost any game if you place the shot right. a good scope would be a leupold 3-9-40 vx11 or zeiss conquest. ive learned that composite stock and a matte finish scope should have you covered. you must shoot the gun as much as possile most like any other sport pratice makes your confidence go up. good luck shopping
-- john p kirby (email@example.com), June 05, 2004.
There is a lot of good advice I have read in here, but the first thing you need to ask yourself is the purpose for this rifle. When you start asking questions like "best all around rifle", well that could be anything. You need to break down the specifics of its' use. The gentlemen who said there was no such thing is absolutely right. You can't take a high end CQB rifle and expect to hit targets at 1500 yards, and vice-versa....you can't take a sniper rifle and use it for CQB. Figure out your needs and then "categorize them". After that, go to a book store, gun store and any place where you can find information on the things you are looking for. Rent a rifle at a small gun range and get a feel for what is right for you. AFter that it gets even more invovled, but your question sounds like an honest one for someone looking to become proficient in shooting. You're on the right track....ask, but be sure to know what to ask. Good luck.
-- Mr 1719 (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 27, 2004.
I can tell you their are only two guns you should even look at. one thing is save up s few more hundred bucks and buy a nice rem in 308 or a savage in 308 and not one of their sporters either you can get buy with a decent 150 buck scope with millet mounts the trigers on the savage are bad but anyone with half a brain will tell you that that dont mean jack to someone that is a good shot and it is not like your life is relly going to be decided on this rifle rite i mean you are not going to be shooting at snipers at 1200 yards rite with good HAND LOADS set to either rifle you would be good between 400 yards to 600 yards depending on AMMO the ammo is the key if your any kind of shoot both guns are great.
-- nate payne (email@example.com), February 13, 2004.
Ross!!! One of the best replys to a post i have read for a long time !!!!!!
-- james (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 24, 2004.
Just had to chime in on this old thread.
Don't listen to the Gun Yuppies. Get yourself a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 long barreled rifle for about $60 to $125. 7.62x54R is a good round. Forget the scope most of these rear echelon weenies could'nt zero one anyway. Then Practice - alot. We used em in Cambodia in 70 and it will reach out and touch someone.
-- Ross Gellat (email@example.com), January 23, 2004.
Well, I recon $300 doesnt sound like alot to most guys but im sureto us average everyday folk it is. I shot a Savage 112 in .300 WinMag and use a crappy BSA scope i cheesed of a guy for $40...lol. This set up with my handloads have shot a .119 group @100 yards. Ill stand that up against anyone or any gun. I do have to say though at this point I shoot 2000+ rounds a year out of this gun. Dont be a follower of the oh mighty dollar bill, get what you can aford and shot the heck out of it. Grandpa could knock a squirrel out of a tree at nearly 100 paces with his old single shot Stevens Favorite .22 ... guess 60 years of shooting it, did the trick. I recommend getting a beatup ole junk rifle.... learn the rifle ... shoot shoot shoot and shoot the rifle ... get good with it and turn some heads when you go to the range!! Good luck!
-- Chuck de la Riva (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 27, 2003.
Sorry Nicholas, there is no "best all around rifle". Each rifle has ammo it likes and don't like (for accuracy). Then there's caliber/range specific applications. Are you Varminting? Then there're .22 cal center-fire rifles out there that'll punch single holes again and again at 200 yrds. Bench-rest, light hunting? A .243,6mm PPC, or .270 WSM might be your choice. Sniping, big game hunting? Enter the .30 cal world. Consider that most military marksmanship competitions use .308 and .300 WinMag for 1000 yard shooting. It depends on how much you want to spend and what you want to do with it. If you've got $10,000 I'd say get an H-K PSG-1 (.308), if you've got $1500 then go for Savages Law Enforcement series (.308)like Joe T Jacket recommends. However since you only have $300 to spend on a scope, this tells us you don't want to get pricey with a rifle. This eliminates Brown, Kimber, Steyr, Sig, Blaser, Sako, and some major manufacturer's top of the line models. So now we're down to "regular" hunting rifles around the $500-700 range, and that's a lot to choose from! Remington, Wichester, Howa, Ruger, Savage, etc. etc., all are good, and with a heavy barrel and trigger job, better. The best scopes for just under $300 would have to be a Leupold Vari-X II 3-9x40 or some of Cabela's Alaskan series. Stay away from anything cheaper than $250 (brand new retail). I'm sure a lot of us would love a Schmidt & Bender or Springfield Tactical, but most of us working stiffs have to balance economy with quality. If you can get another $400 for your scope, I recommend Leupold's Vari-X III line or a Ziess Conquest series. Personally, I use a stainless Howa 1500 supreme (thumbhole laminate stock-$525) in .300 WinMag with KDF muzzle brake(another $150) that shoots 1" groups at 100 yrds with Winchester 180 grain Fail Safes, and groups 4"x4" at 300. That's damn good for a "cheap" stock factory rifle, but PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE is the key. Good luck!
-- SR Diaz (email@example.com), December 11, 2003.
Well those attitudes are helpful :) seriously though a decent sks or dragunov shouldn't run more than $350-sks to $900 total for the dragunov. If you have to have bolt action though, the 8mm mauser or mossin-nagant would be lo-cost alternatives to more common rifles. This is of course bargain basement, though still acceptable. As far as scopes go for out to 400yds a 10x and 24x out to 1k Hope this helps. Jake
-- Jake B. (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 05, 2003.
I bought a savage 112 with a cheap tasco 6-24 scope used at a pawn shop for $290. It will shoot 1/2 MOA @ 100 yards with the right ammo. Only thing I`ve done to it is clean it. Just goes to show you can get an accurate rife at a cheap price. Did I just get lucky?
-- Paul Eshleman (email@example.com), November 25, 2003.
If you can part with $1200-$1600 I have heard that the savage law enforcement rifle package is a good starting point (or ending point if you're on a tight budget). -joe
-- Joe T Jacket (firstname.lastname@example.org), November 21, 2003.
300 bucks? LOL. You need to ask yourself how much accuracy you need. If you're looking for one-hole groups, there are several companies that guarantee sub 1/4 MOA, (translates into less than 1/4 inch measured between centers of bullet holes at a range of 100 yards). These generally cost upwards of 3 grand apiece (no scope). A scope worthy of one of these rifles will run you between 600 and a thousand bucks additional. Now, if you want a reasonably-priced, reasonably accurate rifle, 300 dollars still isn't enough. Most factory rifles run in excess of $500 new. So now we're talking used pieces. You actually have a prayer of finding a rifle with scope for 300 bucks, but there is no way for you to tell whether it will put all its shots into a washtub at 50 yards. Good luck.
-- Bob Chattin (email@example.com), November 13, 2003.
1 get more money 2 get more money 3 get more money
this will help you
-- hmmm (firstname.lastname@example.org), November 11, 2003.