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Howdy, folks, If you're interested in a full fledged investigation into "what happened, and who knew what" in regards to 9-11, please take the time to go to this site:
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United Call for an Independent 9-11 Truth Commission A Statement of U.S. Community, Labor, Political, Religious & Youth Leaders To the People of the United States and the U.S. Congress
"The right to search for truth implies also a duty." --- Albert Einstein
The world has experienced eight very difficult months since the attacks of September 11th, yet today the causes of that tragedy remain unclear. Americans demand and deserve the right to live secure from fear of future such attacks, yet as citizens we have been kept ignorant and powerless to address the threats against us. Credible sources have made serious allegations that the Bush administration had prior knowledge of the events of September 11th, yet these allegations have not been investigated in an open and independent manner. Most troubling is that it is these hidden facts which form the basis of U.S. foreign and domestic policy today.
As American citizens, we cannot allow serious questions regarding the events of September 11th to drop from public view. As witnessed in the Enron case, too often the perpetrators of crimes against Americans escape the full light of justice. It is our duty to make certain that in this case the truth will out. Although we are encouraged to find that there are members of Congress pursuing congressional investigations, we call for the immediate establishment of an Independent 9-11 Truth Commission, charged with the calm, determined, and open investigation of the facts related to the tragedies of September 11th, 2001.
We call for the establishment of an Independent 9-11 Truth Commission to determine and detail the facts. How and by whom were the attacks of September 11th perpetrated? What knowledge did the Bush administration possess of the attacks before September 11th? What was the history of the relationship between the Taliban government, Al Qaeda, and the Clinton and Bush administrations?
For such a commission to be truly independent it must be composed of individuals renowned for their reputations for honesty and integrity. Such individuals might be found among the members of the judiciary, among international human rights leaders, and especially among the families of the victims of September 11th.
We are united in announcing this call for an Independent 9-11 Truth Commission to the American people and to our elected officials. We will not rest until American policy, foreign and domestic, is based upon verifiable and established facts. Democracy demands no less.
-- joj (email@example.com), June 21, 2002
Hey there, Joe! I know how you hate this right wing stuff, but you should go and the Prior Knowledge section of InfoWars. Quite the compendium....it doesn't look good for the HomeLand contingent.
-- Doreen (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 21, 2002.
Joe is that really you? For some reason I'm finding it had to believe people who are posting on this forum, are who they say they are. I would have been able to believe it more if you would have mentioned about the federal restictions on air pollution have been eased up abit last week.I won't go on the new board because of a gay bashing post that was on the old country side forum which I felt should have been deleted cause it was left on to screen and weed out what Chuck felt were unmoral undesireables. So I bashed Chuck on that post for leaving it up .It had nothing to do with Homesteading And he said he was going to ban me from his forum . Then a few days latter I start recieving E-mails with attachments with the tittle "Dude in my ass" , and I use an unreal E-mail address and figured it was being sent from the country side forum.I'm far from being gay.But I believe people have a right to be what they feel they need to be .Since King Chuck has the power to track people down on his new forum and it's his project I want no part of it.I'm probably banned anyway .No big lose for the new FSR, I'm just another rain drop in the ocean, I won't be missed. Since this forum was to represent Freedom how can one be free to post ones views , if the threat of being sent a virus through E- mail are the consequences of posting a view different from the controllers .Same old shit, power just screws up everyones heads and it seems there are little exceptions.Everyone what's to rule the world.
-- SM Steve (Unreal@msn.com), June 21, 2002.
Hey Steve, I didn't even know you were ever on the other one. Also didn't know anything about a gay post of any variety....guess I sometimes don't know much. Sorry you got spammed, that is completely wrong. Did you happen to inquire of Chuck about it privately?
The thing is that I can't possibly take the time to cover both of these boards. The new one is really slow for my set up and it is frustrating me. Do feel free to keep posting here- I won't spam you:)-
There is so much stuff going on in the world right now that I can't even begin to keep up. Take care all of you!
-- Doreen (email@example.com), June 21, 2002.
I sometimes have trouble making myself clear when it comes to writing. I'll try again .I was never on the new FSR or any of the new boards. I see them as Chuck's projects. Chuck allowed a posts that started out as gays loosing rights in the state of Florida for job descrimmination.Then post started comming in saying all Homosexuals are perverts and child molesters. Then people were asking Chuck to take this post down as it was offending people gay and straight.Chuck said as long as everyone was playing nice he'd leave it up. It was far from nice .Then some where down the post I made the sarcastic remark,that it was OK to leave the post up as long as it was understood that the Jeffery Dommer look alike moderator was a homophobic red neck, rascist that would like to cram these undesireables back in the closet where he thinks they belong so they wouldn't disturb his squeeky clean lifestyle.. Then Chuck said he was leaving my post up as an example of what kind of stuff won't be tolerated on this forum ( His forum ) and that I'd be banned from the countryside forum. At least one came to my defence saying she was lesbian and she asked Chuck why was my post considered offensive and me banned from countryside , and why was it was OK ,for a post that she felt was more offensive toward people like herself. It was still left up and someone posted using the derogatory word for African Americans and saying it was similar to the , gays are all child molesters. It got ugly.Chuck latter appologized saying he was new at the forum, but it was bullshit.He just didn't know he'd get so much heat from it.Chuck said something to me on the forum about E-mailing him personally , but I didn't trust him. Then a few days latter I get, as you call, spammed. Chuck has mentioned his buddy the computor wizz in other post.His army buddy.I figure he's the one who help to send the virus. I didn't open the E-mail with the attachment , The title made it clear it was from him. I don't know much about computors. The computor I use doesn't even belong to me.I was once nieve enough to open an attachment that was sent to me disguised as a Christian message from a countysider last year. Virus was includded .Since then I changed my screen name and use a fake one.I see the real Chuck. I also see how people will be part of something that is lead by a corrupt person.That's why no way in the world any where, will there ever be a just government of any kind on Earth. People just want to fit in and be part of the crowd on any scale large or small.I've taken it that it's part of the laws of physics on the material plane ,corupption rules and we kill the Jesus's the Ghandis The Martin luther King jr's and tear down anything good and Just.Their was once a person on countryside forum and they gave their opinion and they were told, in what I thought was real crude and nasty way, Go Play Somewhere Else.I E-mailed that person personaly even though I didn't know them ,but it went unanswered. I wanted to give support to that person and let them know how I thought they were treated unfairly.I have a habit of giving verbal support to any person treated unfairly.That person and 2 others are the only ones I've ever E-mailed personaly, the other was JoJ cause I've lived in his neck of the woods and wanted to know if he knew any of my old friends in Oregon.Chuck, that's another story, I want no private correspondence with him.His hatereds are distressing and I have no disire to relate to a close minded one sided human like him.I want no part of his Forums and I won't partisapate on the ones that are under his wings.I walk alone but I see it as having morals .I thank-you Doreen ,for keeping this forum open and I hope to see the OLDBIES come back and give it the life it once had.
-- SM Steve (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 22, 2002.
Sorry to be disrespectful toward your post Joe . I figured you'd be posting on the new board and some imposter was trying to do a JoJ impersonation.
-- SM Steve (Unreal@msn.com), June 22, 2002.
SM Steve, you are not alone. There are others.....
-- Bren (email@example.com), June 22, 2002.
SM Steve, I don't remember you from the old CS forum, but as a woman who has shared her life for the past 27 years with another woman, I would like to thank you for your support when you had nothing to gain from doing so. I too have not joined Chuck's cult for similar reasons; I found him to be disengenuous at best, and do not trust him to tell the truth.
In any case, you have frequently made me think anew by your posts here, and even though the conclusions you often reach I find to be depressing, I must admit they often contain a strong ring of truth to my ears.
Thank you again.
-- Earthmama (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 22, 2002.
Steve, my computer is not very happy operating on the "new board", alas, so I'm still here.
-- joj (email@example.com), June 24, 2002.
Bren ,your words have a healing effect ,Thanks, I needed them .,Earthmama as a human being that carries that gene we all share ( The self-serving one )which I haven't built up an immunity to , yet ,I believe I do have something to gain.People who are unexcepting to one thing , will find a reason to be unexcepting to another.They try to change what's around them , when it's themselves they need to fix. It's a small planet and it's full, so we need to be kind to one another cause there's no where we can hide or escape to if we're picked on . And sometimes we need to vent off at the ones who aren't kind . As far as remembering me on CS,I'm into chickens and goats and usually never start a post but I've given chicken advice .Only post I've started were ones that involved my goats health.You can tell I know the CS format. Someone starts a new post and another person post something off the subject before you know it it turns into something totaly different then the title.Sorry again Joe,and I posted on the last political subject on CS ,I think it was that spy plane the chinese captured. Joe as far as 9/11, when there was a world meeting of some sort last August where the Arabs were trying to say they were treated lke second rate citizens , and Colon Powell walk out and refused to listen to their gripes , I knew that was the time we should expect an attack on our soil.The Arabs wether sincere or not, were trying to do it the American way, at least claiming they were going to do it by US rules, we walked out and that's probably when they made their threat , claiming the US doesn't live by the rules they make.And ther diplomatic attempt was ignored . This is all speculation.
-- SM Steve (Unreal@msn.com), June 24, 2002.