Why did CS and Freedom go Password?

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Just wondering. Guess my posting days there are over.

-- Kenneth in N.C. (wizardsplace13@hotmail.com), May 13, 2002


They went password, because they were having trouble with trolling. It seems to be what happens when the delete button becomes king. I only hope to live and let live. I am not interested in dragging their problems onto this board. My simple forum rules still apply.

Little Bit Farm

-- Little Bit farm (Bittlelitfarm@aol.com), May 13, 2002.

Hi y'all. It would take me forever to post on the new site because of my computer, but I read where they're taking a survey to see what to do with the old site. I think Chuck is going to back up the archives, put a link to the new forum and then shut it down. My only problem with that is, since the new forum is also a splinter group of the old CS, why just put a link pointing to the new site? What about the Lusenet sites that members have started. Shouldn't new people have a choice of where they want to post or at the very least, know they are there? Some people don't like all the bells and whistles and some do, but new people should have a choice.

-- Annie (mistletoe6@earthlink.net), May 13, 2002.

I agree,,once he "backs them up",, those that didnt go to "the site", wont be able to get them,, they will be "his toys". Im telling you,, he has gotta a large head, and thinks anything he touches is his

-- Stan (sopal@net-pert.com), May 13, 2002.

The problem was and is Stan.......

I hope he's happy with what he's caused....

-- (goawaystan@goaway.com), May 13, 2002.

I agree with you, Kenneth. I can understand why they felt they had to go password (Country Families and some others went too), but with all due respect, password forums get awfully stale rather quickly in my experience, simply because people drop out. I'll probably read (as long as I am able to do so), but won't be posting there either.

I know it is supposed to have a search feature and all that, but I did like the old forum for its simplicity, and I notice the new forum can close topics to new postings (something I didn't see on the old forum).

-- GT (nospam@nospam.com), May 13, 2002.

I am cross posting this for the benefit of you folks. frankly my real life requires more ttention than I can give it without having to wonder what our little vandal will do next.

Sorry your feelings are hurt- but take it up with the one who brought this all about.

Stan- YOU are the reason it is locked up.

It's a perfect example of our society at present. "It's not the perps fault---it's the victims---they shouldn't have closed their doors when the madman pushed it open and threw in the grenade...." Wah.

Feel like a great big nice loveable guy now? I didn't have the slightest desire to go password, but I absolutley have no desire to deal with inane postings from a raving lunatic either. I think you are in serious need of a mental health check up. You are going to become awfully lonely. Or maybe you are and that is what has brought this on??? Most of us seem to have a life that exists outside of the computer. That is what is important- that is what pays the bills, puts food on the plate and keeps these forums going as a manner in which to communicate with others and build a like minded group of friends.

I guess when I go over to a friend's house I should be welcome if I take feces from my dogs and fling it all over and rub it into their carpets????Then I can say that it was insensitive and mean of them to ask me to leave, or to just throw me out of the house...????

You have done a serious disservice to many people who have given you no reason to do so. I am sorry that you had to take such measures and ruin what was once a good thing for so many people. I used to think you had a sense of humor. Wrong again. Thanks for making life such a crappy thing for the past several weeks.

-- Doreen (aimalwaitress@yahoo.com), May 13, 2002.

that makes no sense doreen,, want everyone moved to the new site,, what was left to do?? I couldnt mess with the archives,, beside to post answers,,, how is locking them up, "protecting them "? BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

-- Stan (sopal@net-pert.com), May 13, 2002.

Well Stan;

I guess you'll just bounce around on the forums that are left until someone else pisses you off and then you'll do the same thing as before.

Why don't you just grow up and get a life? Jeeze, some people's kids.....

You act like a complete ass then whine when things don't go your way....

-- Happy Stan??? (stupidstan@goaway.com), May 13, 2002.

I didn't see Stan do anything so dreadful on the *Countryside* board. I understand the problem originated on some other forum. I remember seeing it said he posted THOUSANDS of posts elsewhere. I saw that said and than echoed. Sounds exaggerated. If he managed one a second that still takes hours, and I didn't get the impression it continued for hours and hours, and I don't think one a second is anywhere near possible on these boards. I will concede even a few hundred was childish and self-defeating, however, it all seemed somewhat manipulated, ( and seems to still be continuing). It is quite easy to skillfully manipulate certain types into anticipated behavior.

Why do those who have chosen to move with the forum continue to come to Lusenet and scold and bait Stan? ? ? That, to me, is as childish as Stan's original "sin".

-- Granny hen (cluckin along@cs.com), May 14, 2002.

Well it was on Country Families forum that it happened and over a period of a month and a half, it was THOUSANDS. I am the moderator of that forum. I also liked the format very muc and the people who posted there. I am not a liar,and I do not exaggerate.

I did not ask anyone to stick up for me in any way. I passworded my forum, and I thought that would solve the trouble, but it did not. I have a family, a house, and a life and I did not have time to keep deleting the rubbish.

I have stood back and let everyone give their 2 cents worth, without even trying to defend myself. I always figure that GOD knows the truth. However I will not be called a liar. What I am telling is the truth, and nothing but.

The person who posted even sent me an e-mail saying it was not me they were mad at, then quit for while, then started again.

My opinion, for what little you all may think it is worth, is that when Satan comes calling it is best not to shake his hand. You will probably get burned...

-- Melissa in SE Ohio (me@home.net), May 14, 2002.

I also did not just start looking at this forum. I have checked here continuously ever since the day it was started. I have learned many useful things here.

-- Melissa in SE Ohio (me@home.net), May 14, 2002.

It was a real mind twister that Freedom Self Reliance went password because of the spamming.There were so many post there that talked about the extra security after 9/11 and new ID eye scanning devices , chips that are to be planted to ID and track people in the future, and the extra security messures were blasted by most at Freeedom Self Reliance as loss of freedoms. Now the Freedom self reliance has step up security,passworded,and has seemed to have done what it use to criticize the goverment for doing.The reason the government uses for the extra security is that inocent lives might be lost in a terrorist attack and that they can prevent future attacks.Can Freedom Self Reliance use the same excuse.Personally I believe the new board is being used as a tool, to keep track of homesteaders and free thinkers. And that there is a possibility that government is involved.Maybe I'm just paranoid from all the months of reading post there.But I'm just guessing these types of forums are being monitored better since the 9/11 attacks.

-- SM Steve (unreal@msn.com), May 16, 2002.

I never posted on F/SR forum, but since YOU mentioned it first, I was having the EXACT same thoughts. All that has happened may seem like just so much May melodrama, but it is worth some thought and discussion, for it mirrors our society.

Just days ago Lusenet had hundreds of partipants, on several forums. Many of the forums are gone, so are many of those participants. It was like a stampede it happened with such frenetic intensity.

I wonder if any of them have given thought to how quickly and easily they were manipulated into their actions and choices? This is important, for we live in times when our ideas, opinions, and choices, ARE being manipulated, not just daily, but sometimes hourly, on social and political issues.

All stampedes occur because of _______________. Pause to think!

-- Granny Hen (cluckin along@cs.com), May 16, 2002.

I thought that I explained myself well enough, but evidently some folks confuse freedom with anarchy.... Just like the Constitution of these united States, you must protect your borders from invasion. That is what has happened at FSR. Crap from elsewhere invaded and since I am the one responsible for keeping that info secure and since there are no tools available to halt posting from one person until they calm down, since I have a full time plus job and a full time plus homestead to care for, and since it is spring and very, very, busy here, I was forced to take the only option available to me. If you had spent that much time and energy creating a place for expression of valid thought and then had vandals take it over, and had seen the thousands of posts and emotional turmoil it caused to another moderator, you would have done the same thing.

I think mirrors would be helpful to all of you as well. I resent being slammed for protecting something that I put so much energy into. Yes, I do take it personally. I have thick enough skin to handle verbal assault, but I also have sufficient experience with psychosis to know that you can't reason with it and it doesn't just get better on it's own if you keep allowing it to feed. You protect yourself while it runs it's course and then try to address the issues when it has boiled down to a simmer.

For the record, I like Lucenet a lot better than the new board. This format is much more simplistic and takes a heck of a lot less time than does the new format. I also don't like being anyone's umbrella-ugh. No offense to Chuck, but I don't like the loss of autonomy.

I offered the password to folks, but I can see that most of you don't even want to take that kind of responsibility. As for me- I am buying the CD, and this place (lucenet) can fall to the Barbarians for all I care about it anymore. At least the library has been saved. Sweat awaits me. Y'all have a nice life.

-- Doreen (animalwaitress@yahoo.com), May 16, 2002.

Anarchy. It seems to me the FREEDOM we enjoy in America today has it's roots in ANARCHY.

-- Granny Hen (cluckin along@cs.com), May 17, 2002.

Doreen I didn't mean to slam you for your passwording the FSR forum. I wasn't aware that the Freedom forum was hit HARD with the spamming,trolling stuff.What I wrote was the thoughts that first came to mind.I wrote them cause if it came to my mind,it came to others as well. most people won't post a thought they have if it' seems confrontaionable (which wasn't my intention) . My reaction of the passworded forum is of disappointment.One major disappointment is,it puts validation on the side that we might never be able to have a free society in real life because of trolls and spammers ( hell raisers and vandels) outside the cyber world.And as the world vadels get worse the losses of freedoms follow in proportion .. I didn't mean to imply you as hippocrite.I think that's what you ment by looking in the miror .I just saw a simularity to the forum lossing freedoms from a troll attack and americans lossing freedoms from a terrorist attack. The forum is reflecting the real world . And like the real world, it has sort of a government (a leader) who has decided to secure itself from vandels by taking away a freedom. And one of the citizens (me) thinks it's wrong and starts to get suspicious of the government(you)and starts to make accusations some valid some totally wrong .Or at least I thought they were valid until you made it clear that the FSR was under attack and it was making it impossible to run the forum . The other disappointment is, it isn't free, it's locked,and a person needs a key to get in. Defeats the title of the forum. I know Doreen,you are not responible for the lock on the gate (It's the vandels) and I hope you visit back here to read this .Your a good hearted, giving person Doreen, your energies are well appreciated,sorry if I offended you, SM Steve.

-- SM Steve (Unreal@msn.com), May 19, 2002.

I think you are right Steve. What happened on these boards is EXACTLY what has been happening as a result of "terrorism" since 9-11. It is the reaction of today's America to adversity. One person does something wrong and everyone has to pay. This is exactly why our freedoms are being yanked from beneath us the way they are. I do think there is irony in Doreen's willingness to shut down her board, and her beliefs about what Bush and Congress are doing to "protect" Americans. This is not to say that I think Doreen should not do whatever she chooses. I think she should. This is not an attack at all. I just know that we lose our freedoms for these very reasons. The question is, is it right for everyone's freedom to be lost (whether in the microcosm of a forum or in the macrocosm of society) because of a minorities actions? Please understand I am talking in the philosophical realm here, not specifically trying to point out Doreen. It could be any of the forum owners or a completely separate venue entirely. It is happening folks, worldwide. How can we stop it nationally, if we can't stop it in the smallest areas of our lives? I read a quote from Thomas Jefferson recently which said something along the lines of, Freedom and tyranny are constantly in a state of flux pulling against one another. I think this idea is at the very core of what is happening today. In the tug of war of freedom we are fixing to fall into the drink. My question is, is that because our team is letting go the rope and walking around and grabbing ahold the other side? How many people will let go before so much freedom is lost that there will HAVE to be another war to preserve it? Are people today preferring to be taken care of, even if it means losing their freedom? Freedom of those who would love to post on Countryside and a host of other forums has been lost this week, not because of ONE person's actions, but because of many people's actions. Freedom is never taken, it is ALWAYS given up. In this case is was given up for a perceived safety somewhere else. This may be a good choice in this case. It is not my place to say. But How do we stop the erosian of FREEDOM anywhere? God Bless you all.

Little Bit Farm

-- Little Bit farm (Bittlelitfarm@aol.com), May 19, 2002.

Little Bit, I hope your writing will cause many to think. There is such an erosion of freedoms and individual rights, often unknowingly or uncaringly given away by the many. . . . and it never fails to take me by surprise. Scares the dickens out of me at the same time. I watched literally hundreds of people on these forums whipped into a frenzy and evacuated from their forum communities with the same level of panic and intensity found just before the bulging crack in the dam breaks. Would you not have thought lives were at stake such was the degree of panic and anxiety? There seemed to be a real sense that persons felt some how to be in danger!

I sure would like to think some of those good citizens will stop and do lots of thinking about their acquiescence. If they are representative of our society, those of us who value our autonomy are in big deep do-do.

The stampede feels so orchestrated it tugs at my curiosity. It also gives me pause. . . there are major constitutional issues being decided by this same type of emotional machination.

-- Granny Hen (cluckin along@cs.com), May 19, 2002.

I have a question re what we perseive as "freedom". From the very good ideas and thoughts I am reading(and I do enjoy them), there seems to be a perception that we should be able to just toodle along, do what we want, smell the flowers, tiptoe through the tulips and never have a care. I might be interpeting the posts wrongly but the world has never been a place where you can just do whatever you please without some risks. You want to post without a password? OK I don't care one way or the other but there are precautions we must take in the world. Is having to look both ways before you cross the street an infringment upon our rights? If you are in bear country is it an insult to have to hang your food up out of the way so you won't attract bears? Don't you teach your children to beware of strangers and not to pet dogs they don't know? If you are living in a place that once was quite safe and then a family of predators moves in I don't consider it a taking away of my rights to build a bigger fence, and tell the kids to let me know where they are and to check carefully before going out of the yard, or for my village to put in motion detectors to let us know when the danger is present. I just think it is common sense to react to the world around you by doing what you need to do to keep yourself, your family, your neighbors and your country safe. I don't mind a bit being searched at the airport and don't give a rats ass who reads my posts. If the government wants to know what I am thinking, fine. I make it a point to let them know anyway 'cause I send a LOT of mail to Washington and they know where I'm from! I have a son in Intell and I think you might be surprised at how little they care about what the average person is thinking, writing and doing. I might be reading your ideas wrong I know but what's the big deal? If you want to get upset about something start helping to track down the porn masters who are luring children in via the net. That's a good place to spend energy. So, pick a fun password and don't let it bother you. :) LQ

-- Little Quacker in OR (carouselxing@juno.com), May 28, 2002.

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