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well, chuckers passworded the archives in CS,, so anyone not goign to "his" site,,doenst have access to it any longer. Question,, is this legal?? #2,, how can we get them back for public use?

-- Stan (, May 13, 2002


He said he did it temporarily to preserve them while he backed them up.

Little Bit Farm

-- Little Bit farm (, May 13, 2002.

preserve them?? meaning noone can go into it and look or post, also measn noone else but him can get to them

-- Stan (, May 13, 2002.

Stan- YOU are the reason it is locked up.

It's a perfect example of our society at present. "It's not the perps fault---it's the victims---they shouldn't have closed their doors when the madman pushed it open and threw in the grenade...." Wah.

Feel like a great big nice loveable guy now? I didn't have the slightest desire to go password, but I absolutley have no desire to deal with inane postings from a raving lunatic either. I think you are in serious need of a mental health check up. You are going to become awfully lonely. Or maybe you are and that is what has brought this on??? Most of us seem to have a life that exists outside of the computer. That is what is important- that is what pays the bills, puts food on the plate and keeps these forums going as a manner in which to communicate with others and build a like minded group of friends.

I guess when I go over to a friend's house I should be welcome if I take feces from my dogs and fling it all over and rub it into their carpets????Then I can say that it was insensitive and mean of them to ask me to leave, or to just throw me out of the house...????

You have done a serious disservice to many people who have given you no reason to do so. I am sorry that you had to take such measures and ruin what was once a good thing for so many people. I used to think you had a sense of humor. Wrong again. Thanks for making life such a crappy thing for the past several weeks.

-- Doreen (, May 13, 2002.

thanks for the "the dr is in, 5 cents" phsyciatrist analysis Doreen. why doesnt chuckers make up its mind?? first its closing,, then it isnt, now its password protected. Seems he want to play pied piper, and make evryone follow him to its site. And in order to do so, he is making it so, even the people that didnt want to make the move,,or cant make the move, either has to or loose the info. Yea,,your right doreen,,, chuck is a savior,,,now be a good sheep,, and go BAHHHHHH

-- Stan (, May 13, 2002.

Civilized people behavior in a civilized manner. They're not sheeple-- -they're civilized. The distinction is lost on you however stan. Grow up!

-- po'd at moronic behavior (stuff, May 13, 2002.

Stan, you posted thousands of bible verses out of context on Melissa'a site (I SAW THEM MYSELF) every day, signed them "welp of satan", cursed all Christians, (I SAW THAT MYSELF AS WELL), posted on the passworded Freedom Forum Site as yourself, proudly proclaiming how you can get into anywhere and DO anything YOU want to, and you truly wonder WHY nobody in their right mind wants you to have access to the archives until they are completely backed up by CD and the rest of us folks have a chance to have them before they have a chance to be spammed by thousands of "satans welp" curses and references to bashing babies heads against rocks or raping young women???????? Do you think you have endeared yourself to anyone by putting "Freedom Self-Reliance" title on the main menu of Lusenet and then when someone clicks on it it says "join us on Countryside 2"?????? I was one of the folks who helped Melissa delete those thousands of ugly posts on her site day after wasn't fun and it wasn't the least bit humorous, and it is so incredibly ridiculous to hear those of you who recently came out of the woodwork support "poor picked upon Stan". If you all enjoy the Lusenet format , wonderful..I did TOO, yet the forums I ENJOYED WERE WRECKED by the antics of one person. Lucky YOU that he didn't destroy this ONE or others YET... LIttle Bit, hope you don't plan on any Christian discussion here, Stan made it very clear he would not tolerate that..maybe then you will all see exactly how many posts Stan can put on a single site in one day. It's a shame that there are plenty of folks who prefer this format, have been here for YEARS, and the rest of you are so smug and cozy with the person who single-handedly made it impossible for the other folks to stay. Shame on you all, especially those of you who KNOW better. Stan,I think you don't deserve to be posting on this forum at all after what you have done, yet I still pray for you that you will get better in your heart and in your need God in your life..the sooner the better.

-- lesley (, May 17, 2002.

Are you the Lesley who posted on Country Families recently about kids and cars? I agree with you 100%! What I think is part of the problem is that schools have no after school buses (taking the city bus is great if you have one--we found it was cheaper to buy a city bus pass each month than to pay for the school busing for 10 months that still wouldn't have allowed for staying after school), which would cut down on at least one halfway decent reason for teens to have cars (to me it is also a discrimination issue that people should be suing over, as in equal access to extracurricular activities, but that's another subject).

However, even though distance-wise many in our area SHOULD be walking or riding bikes to school, it is truly unsafe to do so (no shoulder, just road and ditch, 50mph speed limit).

I am not defending all the nasty posts either, there was NO reason for them--although I am still at a loss as to why they can't be stopped-- they seem to be able to trace the virus writers fairly quickly. I hope this forum sticks around, and that the old archives will be made available, even if they are "read only".

-- GT (, May 17, 2002.

Lesley, I am sorry it bothers you that I should leave my site open because everyone else CHOSE to close theirs. I fully understand the implication that any hacker can have for my site. However it does me no good to shut down simply because. As for Christian material, have you read "Thomas Paine- Diest and Deceiver". Honestly I don't know what all this started over. I suspect it was because someone said something over the top and was called on it, possibly deleted. I'm not sure, as I have NEVER heard the full story from either party. My goal here is not to alienate all these people who feel hurt about this situation. If you go back in my archives you will find posts by this person who were never deleted. I didn't agree with them. I did state my own opinion, but the posts are still there. My rules on this forum have been simple. Write whatever you want about whatever you believe. I will too. The only things I have deleted are repetitive post and posts that are abusive to others. That will continue to be my policy. It is very probable that this person who calls himself the spawn of satan doesn't agree with me about much, but nevertheless the whole reason I started this forum was because I believe in free speech for everyone.

My goal here is not make people feel I am cuddling up to the enemy. My goal is to stand on the principals I have espoused both here and on other forums for YEARS. I am sorry if this makes some angry. That is not my intent. It is also not my intent to hurt my Christian brothers and sisters. If anything I am doing or have done has caused that I sincerely seek all of your forgiveness.

Nevertheless I don't feel that the solution to evil behavior is to run away and hide. I believe Christians ought to stand for right whatever the cost. Even if that cost is persecution, which is what has been happening here. Now please do not interpret these words as judgement. I fully understand that this has been difficult for everyone involved.

Even so, I cannot stand for other's beliefs I can only stand for mine. I believe that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. I believe he came to this earth to save all those who believe from spending eternity in hell! I believe that when I turned my life over to him he changed me from the inside out. I believe that whoever rejects him will pay an eternal price. I believe that satan has already lost the battle and is trying to take as many others with him as he can. I believe that Jesus paid the price for all of my sin and the sin of the whole world on the cross, and the whoever believes in him will spend eternity in Glory with the Creator of the universe. I will stand and say this no matter what the cost. I will stand and say this until the last post has been written even if all of HELL ITSELF is posting on this board. I will stand and say this until the day I die, and will even die for it if it comes to that. And in the end NOTHING can pluck me from God's hand. Irregardless of what happens on this earth I WILL spend eternity with Jesus.

"This world is not my home. I'm just a passin through. If heavens not my home, oh Lord what will I do. The angels beckon me from heavens open door, and I can't feel at home in this world anymore. Oh Lord you know I have no friend like you. If heaven's not my home then Lord what will I do. The angels beckon me from heavens open door. And I can't feel at home in this world any more." Hymn- This World Is Not My Home

Little Bit Farm

-- Little Bit farm (, May 17, 2002.

Wise words and well said Little Bit.

I have passionate opinions as to censorship. Overall, monitors trying to keep the forums tidy little places full of smiles always end up, in the long run causing hard feelings that spill over and ruin forums more than any episodes of bad behavior by participants. A little power can create big donnybrooks. Forum particpants usually are more than adequate at resolving conflicts among the membership if left to their own devices, and almost always do a really good job of it.

As to religion, more strong opinion. I believe those who claim to be Christians should practice what they preach. If just the golden rule was followed much strife could be avoided.

-- Granny Hen (cluckin, May 17, 2002.

"The only things I have deleted are repetitive post and posts that are abusive to others. That will continue to be my policy. It is very probable that this person who calls himself the spawn of satan doesn't agree with me about much, but nevertheless the whole reason I started this forum was because I believe in free speech for everyone."

You wrote the above and that is just what I did also!!! I have no qualms about people disagreeing!! We disagreed about many things on CF, and that is OK... I only deleted posts that were repetitive, or abusive to others also!!!!!! In addition I deleted "cuss" words ... BUT I made it very clear from the beginning what the forum was about. If someone did not like it and disagreed with the basic premise, why did they stay around?? Why not leave??? I guess I don't always agree with complete "freedom of speech", when it hurts other people. I agree more with the Bible than the Constitution!!!! I could not allow GOD to be mocked!!!! I love him too much for that!

Lesley, thank you for kindly backing me up... it is probably of little use. I have not tried to defend myself much these last few weeks, and probably shouldn't now. But this "notion" that seems to exist that I must have done something to hurt someone's feelings and brought this on myself, because of some terrible thing I did is ludicrous. Want to know what I did that was so terrible??? I tried to start a nice family oriented forum, and the "devil" didn't like it.

Now do not think I am a quitter, because I am not. We did not quit, we just shook the dust from our feet and moved on... Now we will reach many, many people in a new and different way. The new forum is not closed to anyone, it is just as accessible and it really isn't that hard to deal with. I am looking forward to a new and brighter beginning, as I humbly serve the one true God!!!

-- Melissa in SE Ohio (, May 17, 2002.

Which part of the "golden rule" was not followed??? I tried to work things out with the poster in the kindest way possible. I have a whole folder full of e-mail correspondence with this person. I am not a mean or nasty person!! I do make mistakes as anyone does of course, and I do not feel being a Christian makes me immune to troubles or making bad judgments.

"Granny" you do not say if you followed CF, perhaps you did, perhaps not... but when there were LITERALLY thousands of postings, it was too hard to even read the forum.. It actually scared many people. Scared me a little I must say, especially when they said things like " bing-bang your dead"... about 100 of those. Should I take that seriously??? did I deserve it for deleting a cuss word?? What did I do wrong to have that happen??? And there were so many, many more that were just sickening and indecent...

I don't know, what is the use of even posting this??? I have tried to just put it out of my mind, then when I read these people who don't even have a clue what really happened, try to analyze the situation it is just awful... Yes it hurts my feelings, I am sitting here right now in tears actually.. guess I was just on some kind of power trip, that went to my head, so I deserve death threats... I must be such an awful person...

-- Melissa in SE Ohio (, May 17, 2002.

Melissa, I just don't know what you would have me to do? Twice you have claimed that I am doubting your honesty. I am not! I don't know how you expect me to make a judgement about a situation I had no involvement in. I understand that you are very angry and hurt. I am very sorry that this happened to you. But the simple truth is, that just because I am unwilling to give up my own endeavors does not mean I have any problem at all with what you have chosen to do. At some point I am fully cognizant of the fact that I am probably going to have the same thing happen to me here. I am just saying that I'll take my chances! I'll be honest, it bothers me that this has spread from one board to another like wildfire. To tell you the truth I'd really like to keep it off of this one. Nevertheless I understand that everyone still has feelings that need resolving. I also believe that you and Doreen and everyone else involved should be able to express their feelings. I also have a forum policy of free speech.

I am not trying to take up where you left off. I am not trying to take up where CS left off either. This site has been here. I was too busy to deal with it for awhile. When CS fell apart I just didn't want to try and go chasing after them,and I really like this format. I was never asked to be part of the new site. I had no problem with that. I knew that as much as anything it is because my site had been inactive. That, and let's face it, I just say pretty much whatever i want here. That is why I started this site. I am just an individualist who wants to do things her own way.

Even so, I am really saddened to see you hurting over this. I can just imagine how much this whole thing has cost you. I understand why you chose to leave. I just don't want to. Let's face it, all of this is just words on a page. I just want to hang in and tough it out. I will not start deleting all of Stan's or anyone elses posts simply because it is the current popular thing to do. Besides you all doing it hasn't been so very effective anyway. These forums were not designed for security. I can live with that.

Please do not interpret my committment to stay as saying that I am happy about what happened to you. I am not! I just don't want to jump on the wagon train out of here.

Little Bit Farm

-- Little Bit farm (, May 17, 2002.

Little Bit, my postings have truly not been to berate in any way, and I would have never brought this up on your board on my own... I have read and enjoyed your site tremendously from the first day you started it. I probably should have never even responded at all on any of the boards that are addressing this issue. Sometimes at night things look different thatn they do in the morning!!! So feel free to delete my posts if you want to!!! In the scheme of the world this is not really that important. I wish you continued success with your forum, and I hope that you have a lot of fun this summer with your homestead and your family.

-- Melissa in SE Ohio (, May 18, 2002.

Melissa, I would no more delete your posts than I would anyone elses. You are always welcome to post here. You are always welcome to say what you think about this or any other subject. I know that this whole situation just isn't fair. I am praying for you. I hope you have a great summer too and I hope you spend at least a little of it posting here. Please understand that my only goal in this thread has been to clarify my position so that there is not any angry feelings between us or any other Christians posting on this board. I certainly don't want to be the source of resentment. God bless you.

Little Bit Farm

-- Little Bit farm (, May 18, 2002.

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