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Have any of you seen or heard the news this morning yet, about the ultra-secret shadow government that Bush has set up? It is fully functioning, from what I hear. No one knows who they are, or where they are, nor what their current jobs are. It doesnt seem to me to be the American way... But then, most of us in this country seem ready to give up our freedoms for security. But then, in light of current events, it seems almost necessary. Guess you just cant stop those hands on that clock from turning, can you?

What do you all think about this?

-- daffodyllady (, March 01, 2002


I heard about that...and don't like it!! There are two heavily fortified installations somewhere here on the east coast. Wonder where??

-- Marcia (, March 01, 2002.

Yes you can stop those hands on the clock from turning! Vote on the Libertarian ticket, pick someone who is not a part of the "same old, same old", good ol' boy/girl ticket, ANYONE other than the R and D bandwagon is an improvemnet in the right Constitutional direction.

Voting for a Republican or a Democrat is truly a step in the direction of "Big Brother Government", make a difference, make a stand, vote for other than the same old party!

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-- Annie Miller in SE OH (, March 01, 2002.

Much needed. Probably more of this going on than we think. Most, if not all, are already in-place officials. If D.C. goes with a nuke or Chem/Bio attack, we'd all be in REAL trouble without some sort of government in place and people in-the-know running it. Hey, I'm about as anti-big brother as I know (without going to extremes) but in war time, we need a structured gov.

-- Mike in Pa (, March 01, 2002.

This is more bothersome to me than anything else the government of recent has done. The fact that he/they have set up a government with none of our knowledge, in secret, mystery men/women, hiding out underground. Would this even be considered a viable/legal government? I don't know what to think other than right now I am VERY bothered by this.


-- Susan in Minensota (, March 01, 2002.

Very interesting reading at that site, Annie! Sure makes one think!!!

-- Marcia (, March 01, 2002.

There is a huge underground bunker just north of Culpeper, Va. You can see the huge entrance from Route 29, looking to the right, if you are heading north from Culpeper. I think it is at the Route 3 interchange. My husband said when he was a teenager, it was open to the public, for tours, but it was closed down shortly afterwards. He visited it just before it was closed to the public. He said there were hundreds of bunks in that place, and tremendous storage capacity. He does say his memory is a little vague, as it was so long ago. He remembers especially the huge amounts of vacuum-packed food in there. (You know how teens notice food..)

He says there is another one somewhere in PA, but he doesnt know where. That does make sense, to have one on each side of D.C., within a quick-flight distance.

-- daffodyllady (, March 01, 2002.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here but I don't think the post was specifically about underground complexes or even about contingency plans. It was more about things like the tri-lateral commission etc. You know, secret organizations who wield alot of power---covertly.

-- john (, March 01, 2002.

I know I am either gettin old or been shut up out here on Gods Homestead too long..I just keep lookin at things so much differently than what I perceive others do.

But oh goes>>when the founding fathers decided to serve their country and the people in it. They would normally go for two or three months of the year and went back to whatever/however they made their living at home. We started down this slippery path when we let politicians make a career out of something that was, for the most part, a voluntary action. (just my thought..)

-- Sher (, March 01, 2002.

Although I'm a Texan and Bush supporter, I don't like this "Shadow Government" at all. What? or in this case who? we don't know can hurt us. The secrecy surrounding this new animal deprives us of our democratic right under the constitution. What is the catalyst for this thing? Is the normal order of succession not enough? This just proves the point once again, we all need to take note of what our government is doing while we sheep, I mean sleep!



-- PoePoe (, March 01, 2002.

Husband and I do not own a t.v., don't read the paper, don't read much of this stuff on the net (unless it's brought up here for example) and we hear the news on the radio at work (if I were any more 'enlightened' I belive I would not be able to function). Just with that little bit of information we have come to the conclusion that something very ugly is on the horizon. All the 'great' empires have come crashing down. This one is no greater than any other has been. Our government is doing things we cannot fathom. They are dragging us into something bigger than 'war on terrorism', i belive as they make things worse among the nations. They are taking advantage of this fear to take more of our liberties. And the kind of people we really need to do the leading don't want any part of that mess, can't afford to get their names out there, and probably would not be allowed to live long enough to affect any change.

We all know it. It is a matter of what to do about it. I wish I had that answer. The people no longer have the ability to 'rise up', there is no remote mountain to take refuge in, no 'new world' to flee to in order to escape persecution...

-- Novina in ND (, March 01, 2002.

Americans deserve whatever these thugs have in store for us. We sat idly by while it killed women and children so let us receive our due rewards with the same apathy and fear which with we let this monster grow

-- mongkesbrotherogodei (, March 01, 2002.

Good grief there sure are a bunch of paranoid anti-government types on this board! The facts is: the shadow government was put into motion to PROTECT government leadership and ultimately the citizens of the U.S. from anarchy in case of a nuclear or biological attack on Washington DC. It was reactivated by Bush after 9-11, but was originally set up by the Eisenhower administration at the onset of the cold war. If something horrific were to happen to Washington DC, would you want absolutely no qualified, trained, informed, and authorized US government authority available to handle what needs to be done? There is nothing scurrelous about this. It is a tough and smart response to the real possibility of terrorism that could inflict chaos on our world. It HAS to be secret and secure...or else the terrorists would strike it too.

-- SteveD(TX) (, March 01, 2002.

Holy cow, don't get too wound up about this, it's really not that big of a deal.

Before you decide to move to new zealand, you might want to read the news article first.

The "Shadow Government" is simply this:

The Vice President and some advisors are being stationed OUTSIDE of washington DC, so that in the unlikely event of a nuke being set off at the capital, the government will continue to function.

The location that they are working from is being kept secret, for obvious reasons, to keep the AL Quaeda from knowing where they are.

It is NOT a group of elite, non-elected politicos who will be running the government from a secret underground facility. If a nuke went off at the white house, Cheney would become president immediately, and his advisors first mission, in the event of a disabling blow to Washington, would be to prevent collapse of essential government functions. Period, end of story.

I'm as suspicious of the government as the next guy, but come on, this particular story shouldn't be bringing conspiracy theorists out of the woodwork. Perhaps the news media is playing it up a bit, (big suprise) but it's really not anything to get too worked up about. The administration is simply trying to be prepared for anything, which if anything, we homesteaders should find commendable.

-- Chuck (, March 01, 2002.

I still stand by my resolution to never, ever vote R and D again, vote for change, vote to restore the Constitution, vote Libertarian.

-- Annie Miller in SE OH (, March 01, 2002.

Oh drats Chuck...........and here I was hoping that by some unique and wonderful opportunity we could actually have LESS government. LOL Yup, nation of sheeples. And the water just keeps getting hotter and hotter.

-- diane (, March 01, 2002.

Well said Steve and Chuck. I work for a federal agency in Washington, DC and was at work on Sept. 11th. As soon as the Pentagon was hit, I called home and told hubby to stay near the phone because I was getting out of DC immediately and had no idea how I would do it (I ride in a vanpool and the driver parks on the other side of DC) but be ready to come get me some place outside of DC when I called him. I didn't care about whether we were being "dismissed" for the day because at that point, I decided that all heck was breaking loose and I was going to take matters into my own hands and save my own skin. But as I lived through that next hour wondering where the next attack was going to come because in my mind once the Pentagon was hit whoever was responsible was not going to stop at anything and since I work one block from the White House I kept thinking I was soon going to be toast. One of the thoughts that went through my mind in that hour was what would happen if all of Congress was destroyed along with the Pentagon and the White House. How would our country run itself. I think on that day we came real close to having our world turned upside down. When I got home, I immediately went to the grocery store and stocked up even more than I already was because I really believed we were in for an all out attack in Washington. So, from this perspective, I have to say that I am all for the Shadow government. Had the attack devastated Washington, we would have been a very chaotic and lawless country. We need leaders ready to step in and help us stay together and function as a country.

-- Colleen (, March 01, 2002.

I'm all for less government! Though, a nuke wasn't exactly what I had in mind... :-)

-- chuck in md (, March 01, 2002.

Oh Chuck, I sure hope you didn't think that is what I had in mind?? I guess maybe it might have sounded that way. NOT. I just am terribly unhappy with what has developed since 9-11 in terms of our individual freedoms. It had begun long before that, but is escalating out of control IMHO.

-- diane (, March 01, 2002.

I am sure there has always been contingancy plans for the what if's. But i am sure there are as many other things too....

-- Novina in ND (, March 01, 2002.

Chuck, I understand your point of view. I really do. I do believe that this is a wise move on the part of Bush, to have a contingency plan already in place for government to continue to function in case of an attack on DC. However, I also see that this, along with many other steps that have been taken recently in government, erodes our freedoms more and more. We are between a rock and a hard place, as a country. As long as good men occupy the White House, it should all work ok. But ... I have my sincere doubts concerning the purity of heart of ANY Politician, no matter what party he is from! George Bush included.

-- daffodyllady (, March 01, 2002.

Dianne, and daffodillady,

I couldn't agree more. It is disconcerting when you see people that don't mind U.S. troops being used to monitor U.S. Citizens. Reminds me of a third world country. I do think many of our fellow countrymen would give up as many freedoms as it took to be assured of living in a risk free society. They are the same people who probably weren't doing anything with their freedoms anyway, except sitting on them and watching TV.

Not me, man. Give me risk, and stay out of my business!

-- chuck in md (, March 01, 2002.

Chuck, exactly.....U.S. troops monitoring U.S. citizens. My sons were both in the 82nd Airborne and got out for that very reason. No way would either be willing to bear arms against a countryman. Sad state of affairs we are in, and disintegrating each day. What to do?? I am clueless, except just get prepared to hunker down to the best of our ability.

-- diane (, March 01, 2002.

I try to stay out of "political-topic-threads", but I am going to hop in on this one. 1. I love my country, and still get "goose bumps" when the National Anthem is played. 2. If one is not willing to participate in government (i.e. VOTE), does one have any legitimate reason to complain? 3. As a LTJG in the United States Public Health Service, it is discouraging to see the apathy many Americans have for their country. We grew up with all we could want and have forgotten how blessed we are. I shall never forget the sights and smells of poverty that I witnessed in a 3rd-world country (Haiti). 4. The "shadow government" is necessary now, perhaps even more so than in the Ike-JFK years. We all have seen what a group of people with a terrorist mind set can do with "unconventional bombs". Do we think that IF they were capable of nuclear attacts, they would hesitate to use them? I wish that a nuclear contigency plan for government wasn't needed, but that is not the reality of the world we now live in. 5. I was accused by an old youth minister of mine as being born old. Yes, I'm conservative, frugal, temperate and stubborn, or as I like to say, "principled and determined." Although I may have personal feelings that lean toward a strong central government, we need those of opposite viewpoints (i.e-this one's for you Shannon ;o} )to keep us balanced. BTW I am 39yo, male, Caucasian, married 18 years, 2 kids, 2 cars, 2 dogs, 2 cats, 2 many chickens-just a normal Joe. 6. "Every nation that has fallen, has fallen from within" That quote has stuck with me since I was a teen-ager. Can America say she is as strong internally as she was even 2 generations ago. If not, what can EACH one of us do to strengthen it? (Now, I've gone to preaching/meddling, LOL) Men-it has to start with us and our relationships with our wives and children,(if we have the 2 above categories!) then to the communities that surround us. I will stay off the religion topic, but #5 above should give you some insight into my personal religious frame. 7. anyways, to pull it back to Daffy's original question, (and maybe to keep my response from being deleted!), I think that Bush was wise to have utilized the "Shadow Government". I only wish it wasn't neessary.

-- Jim NE KY (, March 01, 2002.

Well, if you folks think this is new, this is nuts. There has been cover up after cover up for years. Listen. Look. Research. Talk to some folks who have some knowledge. Talk with folks who have done top secret govenment work after their retirement. Talk with folks whose lives have been threatened by their knowledge. sound paranoid? Geez, no, it is just common. My first awakening was the crash of the Challenger space shuttle. We were spoon fed "they had no idea....they died in the explosion". Well.....I knew for a fact this was not true. they died as they hit the ocean. it took almost 10 years for this to come out, but by then the space program was safe. i don't trust anything from the government. And I am NOT paranoid, Chuck. i would call you naive. do you really believe the stuff you wrote down?

We are in BAAAAAAAAAAAD times. We have been for a long time. I think it will only get worse. And I don't like this "shadow" government crap.

-- marcee (, March 01, 2002.

I gave a comment on a post a lot like this one shortly after Sept. 11. I said then that if a couple of nukes had went off in New York and DC instead of suicide plane crashes, this country would have seen kaos like never before. People would have been pouring out of the nations big cities. Violence, mayhem, and death would be the rule of the day. And I wouldn't blame them for gettin' out o' Dodge. But the sad fact is they would be coming across the back forty to the lights of your and my homes, and it won't be to check on Grandma's health either. That shadow government wouldn't(and won't) give-a-rip about you and I. Maintaining power by any means will be their goal. Not "protecting" you and I. Besides the collapse of our present government would give us citizens a chance to "tidy things up a bit". If any of you think our present form of government is the one that T. Jefferson, G Washington, and all the other forefathers put in place your living in a liberal induced fantasy world.

No we don't need a shadow government. We Americans can govern ourselves just fine in crisis or calm.

-- Red Neck (, March 01, 2002.

Shadow Government is something I remember studying about when I was in high school. That was 25 years ago. I remembered that the question was if the United States and Russia shot off their nuclear weapons at each other and destroyed each others country who would be considered the winner of the war? The answer was who ever managed to set up a government first would be the winner. That is how we learned that our country had all these underground facilities waiting to be put in action.

-- r.h. in okla. (, March 02, 2002.

Sorry Daffy. I misunderstood the original post, then the following day I heard a news story on NPR. There's so many ways of looking at this stuff.

I think the term "shadow government" has sinister implications but the idea of maintaining a back-up government is not necessarily a bad thing.

Its my guess the plane that went down in PA was headed for the capitol or the whitehouse. If so, what if it had succeeded and there was no "shadow government"? Talk about chaos that would last for months if not years!

Naive or not, sometimes it seems prudent to take things a face value until there's PROOF of something sinister and underhanded going on because the premise behind the enactment of a shadow gov. seems wise to me.

-- john (, March 02, 2002.

I read an article ~8-10 years ago about research that was conducted by an Army officer. He wanted to know if US Army personnel would fire on American citizens if they were ordered to do so. Amazingly (to me), about 34% said they would. I'm sure the "yes" response would be significantly higher today.

-- Mike (, March 03, 2002.

Here is why the "shadow government" is all hogwash: If there were a nuclear attack against Washington we would already be in a situation of de facto martial law. Any type of civilian control at this point would be a joke. The militay chain of command would be the only thing seperating the remainder of our civilization from complete chaos. The military chain of command is not something that needs to be established by a "shadow government" already exists. What is being spinned as a "shadow government" is nothing more than an armeggedon (spelling?) golden parachute for CEO's to save their fat worthless asses, as far as I am concerned. Also, if the "shadow government" is so strategically important to our country's wartime survival, why is president bunny pants even talking about this for the general populace of the world to consume? Shouldn't this "shadow government", if it is so important to our nation's survival, be kept out of the spotlight of the world's discourse, so as to not give rise to speculation as to where it might be located. That's how I see this issue.

-- John Fritz (, March 05, 2002.

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