Help, charged for using an elastrator on a dog.

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Help! My mom is being charged with causing unesecary pain and suffering to a canine because she used the elastrator to castrate him. Her lawyer said the best way to help is to fine other people who have done the same thing but they can stay anonomus. If you can help with info, I would greatly appreciate it.

-- Spring Peterson (jerk@ihorizions.net), February 20, 2002

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are ther any dairey farms near you,, I dont see how they can select dogs and not cows,, an animal is an animal,, may wish to talk to them,, they do it ALOT every year

-- Stan (sopal@net-port.com), February 20, 2002.

Well, I don't have his permission to use his name so I won't but I had a neighbor about ten years ago did just what your mother did. To be honest, I wouldn't have done it but as Stan said it's done a lot on dairy animals and I refuse to believe that a bull calf or male goat kid feel pain any less than a dog.

........Alan.

-- Alan (athagan@atlantic.net), February 20, 2002.


I don't understand how anonomus contributions of information can help. Have you posted here before? Neither your name or address are familiar to me and in light of the often VENOMOUS exchanges over this subject. I am suspicous of the request. You could print out the threads about this, and let her lawyer read them.

-- Thumper/inOKC (slrldr@yahoo.com), February 20, 2002.

Depending on how it went, the procedure may have been truly abusive. I know that I have seen at least one dog banded where it was a total mess. The dog died from it. Dogs can reach the scrotum and they try to chew the bands off- this is what makes them so different from livestock animals. They then can bleed to death, so personally, I wouldn't recommend banding a dog.

-- Rebekah (daniel1@itss.net), February 20, 2002.

I am with Thumper on this one guys! Anonymous wouldn't help. Good grief.....! If you want anonymous why couldn't you just make it up as you went along....gimmee a break. Me thinks Me smells a bit of a rat? sniff sniff sniff......

-- Nan (davidl41@ipa.net), February 20, 2002.


Oh....sorry Rebekah, no offense to Stan or the other poster up there either. I just think that this one seems kinda iffy so be careful all! If Spring wants more information there is a LOOOOOONG conversation about this subject in the archives. You would have plenty of "anonymous" info from there. Some for and some against.

-- Nan (davidl41@ipa.net), February 20, 2002.

It's illegal where I come from.

If this post is for real then she should call on the people who told her she could do it - good luck to them!

-- Cowvet (cowvet_nz@hotmail.com), February 20, 2002.


Oops, other poster, Alan! sorry to you too! :~)

-- Nan (davidl41@ipa.net), February 20, 2002.

Heiniger, has been manufacturing and selling the Elastrator Rings for many years. Their products are used on many small animals, including goats and sheep all over the world. Their products are also used on cattle and horses. Technically, the use of an elastrator is not castration, but rather cryptorchiding.

As Heiniger notes on their website www.heiniger.com, the use of "...elastrators helps maintain lamb weight and leanness levels equivalent to that of entire lambs. Cryptorchiding is NOT castration. One or both testes are elevated inside the animal by rubber rings. This raises the testicular temperature and virtually reduces sperm counts to nil. Simple, effective and thoroughly tested. Elastrator rings are ideal for cryptorchiding!"

If the use of elastrator rings is effective and legal for sheep and goats, then why are they illegal for use on dogs? Perhaps someone at Heiniger can answer this question. Meanwhile the folks at the local SPCA can take on all sheep and goat owners for using elastrator rings and causing pain and suffering to their animals. Is it less traumatic to castrate a dog with a pocket knife? This topic oughta give the animal rights folks something to do for the next hundred years. Somebody doesn't have enough useful work to do.

I wonder what the sheep ranchers in Australia think about this situation?

-- Ed (ecpubs@lynchburg.net), February 20, 2002.


Well Ed, this topic has been covered before extensively , but the reason its not feasible for dogs is that they do have the ability to try and chew the band off and more than one dog has bled to death after being banded. Sheep and cattle do not have this ability so even though it is a painful procedure, they are unable to chew the band off and after a short period of time the area becomes numb.Yes it is cruel and inhumane to use this method to neuter dogs.I can not support anyone on this issue.

-- Kate henderson (kate@sheepyvalley.com), February 20, 2002.


Dogs will chew themselves after surgery by a vet also,[regardless of the body part] Dogs that are allowed to chew on themselves are being neglected, and that is irrelevant of the procedure.

-- Thumper/inOKC (slrldr@yahoo.com), February 20, 2002.

Whether any of us agree with the practice of elastrating a dog is not the issue here. He wants some of the ones to "anonymously" fess up to doing it. I still smell that rat! Don't ya'll smell something?

-- Nan (davidl41@ipa.net), February 20, 2002.

Keep in mind what this kind of thread was like a while back all. This one started out trying to get people to fess up to banding their dogs and it is ending up in a debate over whether it is humane or not. I still smell a rat......

-- Nan (davidl41@ipa.net), February 20, 2002.

I witnessed how they castrated 500 male cattle in texas, with a sharp knive! then they throw the testicles to a B-Q and we had Texas oysters and if this is common practice all around. But I think the Judge's brother is a vet. and the judge is just upset because your mother is taking his brother bussiness away. Ralph

-- Ralph Roces (rroces1@yahoo.com), February 20, 2002.

AMEN!!!!!! P.U.

-- ME (suelpn30@hotmail.com), February 20, 2002.


Ooops, AMEN!!!!! NAN.

-- sue (suelpn30@hotmail.com), February 20, 2002.

Well, I can tell you this, I have been a paralegal and been through more trials and accusations for more years than I care to admit. Why you ask? Because it would give my age away and you would all start questioning my "naturally" blonde hair (well, it is natural blonde!...it says so right on the box!!) but I also smell a rat.

There is no way an attorney is going to tell you to round up folks but that they can stay "anonymous"! You can't go before a judge and say "Well, Judge, I have a whole list here of folks who do the same thing....but I don't have their names...and, well...they aren't here to testify...and, ahhh...well, I don't have depositions from these kind folks....". You have to have names, testimony, depositions.

And anyway, rounding up folks who do the same thing isn't going to make a bit of difference anyway. Any attorney knows that you MUST have "expert testimony". That would be from some one who is a considered an expert in dog castration...like a vet -- not a cattle farmer, not a homesteader, not even someone with 100 dogs! If you have castrated 1,000 dogs it doesn't mean you did the job right - only an expert "school" trained would be considered an expert authority on the subject.

I am not sure if this post is just an attention getter, a kid who overheard his parents talking and just got it wrong, some animal activist search out the "bad guys", or just your usual run of the mill troll with bad spelling-- but something is certainly not right here.

-- Karen (mountains_mama2@hotmail.com), February 21, 2002.


Me thinks I smell something fishy here!

-- Ardie/WI (ardie54965@hotmail.com), February 21, 2002.

Thanks Karen, that is what I was thinking.....but had to say this....that is the cutest little gif of the doggie that you have by your name! Cute Cute!!!!

-- Nan (davidl41@ipa.net), February 21, 2002.

If this is a for real post, check with all your local Vets and do some work on the net looking for other cases. Otherwise, if this isn't a real post..... YAWN. It's been discussed. Along with a parakeet I believe........

-- Gailann Schrader (gtschrader@aol.com), February 21, 2002.

As someone who helped the local DA prosecute an animal abuse case (owner was starving dog to death) I can tell you from experience that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. So even if it is deemed abuse you'll get a slap on the wrist.

-- Anita in NC (aholton@mindspring.com), February 21, 2002.

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