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This is a much more detailed account of this issue, the beginnings of which we discussed some months ago. It was followed by a massive listing of email and fax numbers of media, govt etc. which I did not include. WARNING: IF you are the kind of person who would rather NOT know about seemingly credible reports of what representatives of our government could have contributed to the 9/11 tragedy, DON'T READ THIS. "OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE BECOME SILENT ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER" -- Martin Luther King

We may be witnessing the Nazification of our nation. --Toni Morrison, Nobel laureate in literature, January, 2002

1) Enron Investigation Petition http://www.petitiononline.com/ddc22/petition.html

2) 9/11 Investigation Petition http://www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition.html

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Was there a CIA connection to 9-11, and is the US media suppressing it? Below are mainstream European media reports w/URL sources, that beg for a full investigation of this. Please read the 9 summary reports below, then act!

The SUCCESS of this effort depends on EACH of us dedicating ourselves to this for the next few weeks at least, and URGING others we pass this Activist Kit onto to do the same! US is media is suppressing this information. It can only get to people through the efforts of you and I

1) Fax and email out THE MESSAGE marked as such below to all the contacts. 2) THEN network this entire Activist Kit out as far and wide as you possibly can, to churches, activist groups, etc. etc. (use internet search engines, yahoo, google, msn, etc. to find more and more and more contacts of such activist groups and institutes of conscience to send this to and ask them to act and to spread the word).

We must create a ROAR of demand for this to be fully investigated, or the media and congress will never have the courage to do so. Spread the Activist Kit out to get hundreds of others to use it, and then use it and the FAX and email numbers to get the below message out yourself.

Free thinking writers are too frightened to speak up. Democrats are afraid too. They need us to flood them, the media, and institutions worldwide with this information to give them the courage to do what they can do.

Activist Kit (Message to send out below, followed by contact lists):

************ THE MESSAGE TO GET OUT **********************

I realize this information will be upsetting. But, it must be looked at.

[Each fact is footnoted with a URL link to a credible respected news site. Please read this, and then use the Activist Kit I have created below, and then share this information and Kit with as many others as you can. Those who perished on 9-11 deserve to have the whole truth be known, whatever that truth may be. The burden lies on our shoulders and depends on what we do right now.]

WHY DID MAINSTREAM MEDIA "VOW TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE INSIDER TRADING THAT PROFITED OFF THE 9-11 HORROR," AND THEN SUDDENLY . . . DROPPED THE STORY?

The 9 DISTURBING FACTS:

- The Bush Administration forced the FBI to back off of the Bin Laden investigation months before 9-11. [BBC transcript BUSH – BIN LADEN HIDDEN AGENDA!!!] http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/events/newsnight/newsid_1645000/1645527.stm

“I Don’t Buy It” “ I was one of the first tenants in the World Trade Center (WTC) back in 1979. Back then----over 20 years ago----it was known to all the tenants of the WTC that the WTC was a “no fly” zone. If you came within 12 miles of the WTC, flying outside of a pattern where you were supposed to be, you were warned to back off. If you came within five miles, they would threaten to shoot you down. If you came within three miles, they could shoot you down. . . . “I had a friend who was flying a small plane who got warned away and they almost blew him out of the sky 20 years ago because he was showing somebody a close view of the towers. “I can see the first tower getting hit by surprise, but 15 minutes later the second tower also gets hit? I don’t buy it.” Walter Burien, Radio Free America, Nov 11, 2001 [See FAA and DOD standard procedures for off course flight intercepts and shoot downs (all violated on 9-11)].

- The CIA station chief in Dubai met with Bin Laden 7 weeks before 9-11, and at a time when Bin Laden was supposedly "wanted" by the CIA. http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html· (German Trans.) http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html (US Wash Times Artcl: www.washtimes.com Report: bin Laden treated at US hospital Elizabeth Bryant UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL Published 10/31/2001

An interview with Michael Springman exposes the CIA's links with the terrorist attacks on September 11 Straight Goods reader Ken MacAllister of Vancouver, BC writes: Michael Springmann worked for the US government for 20 years with the foreign service and consulate. He just went public with the story of his involvement in a large scale CIA operation that brought hundreds of people from the middle east to the US, issued them passports and trained them to be terrorists. Springmann says that the CIA is working closely with Bin Laden and his operatives in Jeddah and has been since 1987. The most haunting implication from this interview is that all of the terrorist acts of late were planned and paid for by the CIA with US taxpayers money so that the US could legitimately bomb the hell out of Afghanistan The interview is riveting, and I urge you to give it a listen. Hear the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) interview here. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewNote.cfm?REF=1267

WHY WERE FAA & DOD “INTERCEPT” PROCEDURES NOT FOLLOWED ON 9-11? >It is a FACT that DOZENS of Air Force and Air National Guard bases are located within TEN to THIRTY minutes intercept time of BOTH 9.11 target locations. > >It is a FACT that most of these installations have at the ready fighter jets such as F-16s to be scrambled on a MOMENT's NOTICE, for >intercepting troubled or problem aircraft. > >It is a FACT that air defense units DID receive alerts from Air Traffic Controllers and non-corrupt FAA officials on a number of aircraft across the East Coast which had broken communications and deviated radically from established flight paths on the morning of September 11. > There are now 12 Congressional Committees planning to investigate 9-11, and how it was allowed to occur. Bush & Cheney have taken the unprecedented step of urging the Senate to "limit" inquiries into 9-11. Read the below reports and you may understand "why" Bush and Cheney don't want this in the light of day.

What do we know of 9-11 that should be investigated?

Pre 9-11 Intelligence Breakdowns: - Reportedly the Bush Administration forced the FBI to "back off" on their investigations of terrorism in the Middle East. FBI Deputy Director O'Neill (killed in WTC on 9-11) reportedly resigned not long before 9-11 over this investigative obstruction, claiming that the main obstruction was the interests of American Oil Companies. (Source: Recently released French Book, "Bin Laden, La Verite Interdite" (Bin Laden, the Forbidden Truth)

- US Oil interests were well represented within the negotiating team, that apparently was the source of the threat to "bury Afghanistan in a carpet of bombs" unless they played ball in creating a major oil pipeline through Afghanistan. This threat was reportedly made several months before 9-11. (Bush's family has a strong oil background. So do some of his top aides.

-U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney was until the end of last year president of Halliburton, a company that provides services for the oil industry;

-National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice was between 1991 and 2000 manager for Chevron;

-Ministers of Commerce and Energy, Donald Evans and Stanley Abraham worked for Tom Brown, another oil giant. [ BBC interview on the above issue: - The Bush Administration forced the FBI to back off of the Bin Laden investigation months before 9-11. Source: BBC transcript BUSH ? BIN LADEN HIDDEN AGENDA! http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/events/newsnight/newsid_1645000/16455 27.stm]

- CIA Station Chief in Dubai met with Bin Laden only 7 weeks before 9-11 took place, yet they did not try to apprehend him, only met with him. - The CIA station chief in Dubai met with Bin Laden 7 weeks before 9-11, and at a time when Bin Laden was supposedly "wanted" by the CIA. http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html· (English) (German Trans.) http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html

- US government agent claims the CIA has been dealing with Bin Laden since 1987, and he suggests in his interview that the terrorist acts of late may well have been planned and paid for by the CIA with US taxpayers money to enable the Bush Administration to "legitimately" bomb Afghanistan into submission.

An interview with Michael Springman exposes the CIA's links with the terrorist attacks on September 11 [Michael Springman worked for the US government for 20 years with the foreign service and consulate. He just went public with the story of his involvement in a large scale CIA operation that brought hundreds of people from the middle east to the US, issued them passports and trained them to be terrorists. Hear the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) interview here. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewNote.cfm?REF=1267]

-Insider Trading profits off the 9-11 terror don't lead to Osama Bin Laden, but to AB Brown Trust, until recently chaired by the 3rd highest man in the CIA.

-[Someone with considerable financial resources, and foreknowledge of the terrorist event, put stock options "against" the airlines that were to explode that week of 9-11. - INSIDER TRADING PROFITS from 9-11 were reported by the US media when they thought it was Arab terrorists . . . but then the story mysteriously died. Then the UK Independent revealed that it leads to a firm chaired by the 3rd highest man in the CIA (and stranger still is that $2.5 million of the "winnings" are still unclaimed (see below for URL to entire story). http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html . Info confirmed by Independent Newspaper in UK: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402]

[Standard FAA and DOD "intercept and shoot down procedures" were violated on 9-11 (see FAA and DOD procedures on "intercepts").] Ø It is a FACT that standard intercept procedures for dealing with these kinds of situations ARE TOTALLY ESTABLISHED, IN FORCE and ON- LINE in these United States 365 days a year, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. Ø Ø Regarding rules governing IFR requirements, see FAA Order 7400.2E >'Procedures for Handling Airspace Matters,' Effective Date: December 7, 2000 (Includes Change 1, effective July 7, 2001), Chapter 14-1-2. >Full text posted at: >http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIR/air1401.html#14-1-2FAA > Ø Guide to Basic Flight Information and Air Traffic Control (ATC) >Procedures,' (Includes Change 3 Effective: July 12, 2001) Chapter 5-6-4 >"Interception Signals" Full text posted at: >http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap5/aim0506.html#5-6-4

Ø FAA Order 7110.65M 'Air Traffic Control' (Includes Change 3 Effective: July 12, 2001), Chapter 10-2-5 "Emergency Situations" >Full text posted at: >http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1002.html#10-2-5

Ø FAA Order 7110.65M 'Air Traffic Control' (Includes Change 3 Effective: July 12, 2001), Chapter 10-1-1 "Emergency Determinations" >Full text posted at: >http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1001.html#10-1-1

Ø FAA Order 7610.4J 'Special Military Operations' (Effective Date: >November 3, 1998; Includes: Change 1, effective July 3, 2000; Change 2, effective July 12, 2001), Chapter 4, Section 5, "Air Defense Liaison >Officers (ADLO's)" >Full text posted at: >http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/MIL/Ch4/mil0405.html#Section%205

Ø FAA Order 7610.4J 'Special Military Operations' (Effective Date: >November 3, 1998; Includes: Change 1, effective July 3, 2000; Change 2, effective July 12, 2001), Chapter 7, Section 1-2, "Escort of Hijacked Aircraft: Requests for Service" >Full text posted at: >http://faa.gov/ATpubs/MIL/Ch7/mil0701.html#7-1-2

Ø Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction 3610.01A,' 1 June 2001, "Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) and Destruction of Derelict Airborne Objects," 4. Policy (page 1) >PDF available at: >http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf >Backup at: >http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/3610_01a.pdf > For a clear and detailed description of flight plans, fixes, and Air Traffic Control, see: 'Direct-To Requirements' by Gregory Dennis and >Emina Torlak at: http://sdg.lcs.mit.edu/atc/D2Requirements.htm > Absolutely NO executive-level input of ANY KIND is required for standard intercepts to be scrambled.

WHY DID BUSH’S STAFF NOT FOLLOW NORMAL PROCEDURES IN THE CASE OF A NATIONAL EMERGENCY ON 9-11? DID HE KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?

The UK Independent Newspaper has questioned how Bush, who claimed in two public appearances to have seen the first plane hit the first tower on television the morning of 9-11, before the 2nd tower got hit? The significance of this is that no one in the world saw that first tower get hit, at that time, on television. They also question why Bush continued to sit with elementary school students after the 2nd tower was hit and he was informed, "America is under attack." Standard procedure for such a situation is to whisk the President away, if not for his safety, for the safety of the students. Unless he knew something more than we did that morning. The Independent asks, "what television station was HE watching?"

Is it Outrageous to Consider that Elements of a Nations' Government Could Committ Terror on It's Own People for Political Reasons?

- ABC News.com's May/2001 story resurfaces about how the US Joint Chiefs of Staff have in the past ACTUALLY DESIGNED a plan to committ domestic terror on Americans to whip them into a war hysteria, to support war efforts by the govt. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

[The National Security Archive has a PDF version of the Operation Northwoods plan, which author James Bamford says "may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government." It can be found at the following URL:] http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

After 9-11 Oddities:

Anthrax sent to top Democrat Daschle and to the U.S. media (NBC & The National Inquirer) had the effect of "uniting the nation behind the Bush Administration's war effort," and literally shutting down Congress in many ways.

Oddities exist when the anthrax issue is looked at closely: - New Science Journal says Anthrax sent to Daschle is NOT Russian or Iraqi, but likely US military strain.

- San Francisco Chronicle reports, the anthrax strain produced in US University is destroyed on ok of FBI (they had studied this for years, some at university question the timing of the destruction of those anthrax spores . . . right now of all times (?))

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/chronicle/archive/2001/11/09/MN153227.DTL

Terror Anthrax Linked to Type Made by U.S. The powder used in the anthrax attacks is virtually indistinguishable from that produced by the United States military, according to federal scientists. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/03/national/03POWD.html?todaysheadlines

After 9-11 Administration Damage Control Efforts:

Fire Engineering Magazine assails the incredible speed that the evidence in the WTC collapse is being destroyed. Never in the history of fire investigations has evidence been destroyed this fast before exhaustive investigations can be completed. ["We must try to find out why the twin towers fell" By James Quintiere,Baltimore Sun 1/3/01 http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal- op.towers03jan03.story -WTC "INVESTIGATION"?: A CALL TO ACTION from Fire Engineering Magazine] - - Bush Admin. declares they will "seal the records of presidents beginning with Father Bush/Reagans (an act never before done in US presidential history)."

- "It is not a stretch to wonder if this White House is up to something that it doesn't want known 12 years from now or anytimethereafter. [A direct quote from the piece carried by Scripps Howard News Service, 11/5/2001. Re: Bush's sealing of presidential records for the first time in U.S. history]

- Bush & Cheney urge Senate Leader to "limit" inquiries into 9-11: Senate perplexed by this. Don't go there: Bush Asks Daschle to Limit Sept. 11 Probes Date: Wednesday, January 30 @ 10:09:24 EST WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle Tuesday to limit the congressional investigation into the events of September 11, congressional and White House sources told CNN.

The request was made at a private meeting with congressional leaders Tuesday morning. Sources said Bush initiated the conversation. He asked that only the House and Senate intelligence committees look into the potential breakdowns among federal agencies that could have allowed the terrorist attacks to occur, rather than a broader inquiry that some lawmakers have proposed, the sources said.

Tuesday's discussion followed a rare call to Daschle from Vice President Dick Cheney last Friday to make the same request.

"The vice president expressed the concern that a review of what happened on September 11 would take resources and personnel away from the effort in the war on terrorism," Daschle told reporters.

But, Daschle said, he has not agreed to limit the investigation. "I acknowledged that concern, and it is for that reason that the Intelligence Committee is going to begin this effort, trying to limit the scope and the overall review of what happened," said Daschle, D-South Dakota. "But clearly, I think the American people are entitled to know what happened and why," he said.

Foreign Officials have powerful concerns over 9-11:

FORMER GERMAN CABINET MINISTER ATTACKS OFFICIAL BRAINWASHING ON SEPTEMBER 11 ISSUE [Source: Tagesspiegel, Berlin, Jan. 13] PARTIAL TRANSLATION

In a full-page interview with the Sunday edition (Jan. 13) of the Berlin Tagesspiegel daily, former German Minister of Technology, Andreas von Buelow, said he does not buy any of the official theories that have been presented to date, on the events of September 11.

Q: You seem so angry, really upset.

Von Buelow: I can explain what's bothering me: I see that after the horrifying attacks of Sept. 11, all political public opinion is being forced into a direction that I consider wrong.

Q: What do you mean by that?

Von Buelow: I wonder why many questions are not asked. Normally, with such a terrible thing, various leads and tracks appear that are then commented on, by the investigators, the media, the government: Is there something here or not? Are the explanations plausible? This time, this is not the case at all. It already began just hours after the attacks in New York and Washington and--

Q: In those hours, there was horror, and grief.

Von Buelow: Right, but actually it was astounding: There are 26 intelligence services in the U.S.A. with a budget of $30 billion--

Q: ...more than the German defense budget...

Von Buelow: --which were not able to prevent the attacks. In fact, they didn't even have an inkling they would happen. For 60 decisive minutes, the military and intelligence agencies let the fighter planes stay on the ground, 48 hours later, however, the FBI presented a list of suicide attackers. Within ten days, it emerged that seven of them were still alive.

Q: What, please?

Von Buelow: Yes, yes. And why did the FBI chief take no position regarding contradictions? Where the list came from, why it was false? If I were the chief investigator (state attorney) in such a case, I would regularly go to the public, and give information on which lead are valid and which not.

Q: That sounds like--

Von Buelow: --like assailants who, in their preparations, leave tracks behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants? They made payments with credit cards with their own names; they reported to their flight instructors with their own names. They left behind rented cars with flight manuals in Arabic for jumbo jets. They took with them, on their suicide trip, wills and farewell letters, which fall into the hands of the FBI, because they were stored in the wrong place and wrongly addressed. Clues were left like behind like in a child's game of hide-and-seek, which were to be followed!

There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: According to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this technique was abused in this case. That's a theory....

Q: Which sounds really adventurous, and was never considered.

Von Buelow: You see! I do not accept this theory, but I find it worth considering. And what about the obscure stock transactions? In the week prior to the attacks, the amount of transactions in stocks in American Airlines, United Airlines, and insurance companies, increased 1,200%. It was for a value of $15 billion. Some people must have known something. Who?

Q: Why don't you speculate on who it might have been.

Von Buelow: With the help of the horrifying attacks, the Western mass democracies were subjected to brainwashing. The enemy image of anti-communism doesn't work any more; it is to be replaced by peoples of Islamic belief. They are accused of having given birth to suicidal terrorism.

Q: Brainwashing? That's a tough term.

Von Buelow: Yes? But the idea of the enemy image doesn't come from me. It comes from Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington, two policy-makers of American intelligence and foreign policy. Already in the middle of the 1990s, Huntingon believed, people in Europe and the U.S. needed someone they could hate-- this would strengthen their identification with their own society. And Brzezinski, the mad dog, as adviser to President Jimmy Carter, campaigned for the exclusive right of the U.S. to seize all the raw materials of the world, especially oil and gas.

Q: You mean, the events of Sept. 11--

Von Buelow: --fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry, the intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic complex. This is in fact conspicuous. The huge raw materials reserves of the former Soviet Union are now at their disposal, also the pipeline routes and--

Q: Erich Follach described that at length in Spiegel: ``It's a matter of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves.''

Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.

Q: You are a conspiracy theorist!

Von Buelow: Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those raising these questions] by those who would prefer to follow the official, politically correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed propaganda and disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have all his marbles! That is your accusation.

Q: Your career actually speaks against the idea that you are not in your right mind. You were already in the 1970s, state secretary in the Defense Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social Democratic Party] speaker in the Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee--

Von Buelow: And it all began there! Until that time, I did not have any great knowledge of the work of intelligence agencies. And now we had to take note of a great discrepancy: We shed light on the dealings of the Stasi and other East bloc intelligence agencies in the field of economic criminality, but as soon as we wanted to know something about the activities of the BND [German intelligence agency] or the CIA, it was mercilessly blocked. No information, no cooperation, nothing! That's when I was first taken aback.

The Legacy: "On the surface, selling arms to a country that sponsors terrorism, of course, clearly, you'd have to argue it's wrong, but it's the exception sometimes that proves the rule."

- George Bush on Good Morning America. 01/28/87

"You f**king son of a bitch, I saw what you wrote. We're not going to forget this.",

- George W. Bush shouted at writer & editor Al Hunt, & his 6 yr old son in a restaurant - 1988 ....

IF YOU WOULD LIKE AN ACTIVIST KIT TO GET INVOLVED URGING A FULL PUBLIC INVESTIGATION OF 9-11 AND ITS AFTERMATH, REPLY to findtruth40@hotmail.com WITH "SEND KIT" and it will be freely sent to you.

"OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE BECOME SILENT ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER" -- Martin Luther King

We may be witnessing the Nazification of our nation. --Toni Morrison, Nobel laureate in literature, January, 2002

1) Enron Investigation Petition http://www.petitiononline.com/ddc22/petition.html

2) 9/11 Investigation Petition http://www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition.html >

- INSIDER TRADING PROFITS off of 9-11 were frenzied over by the US media when they thought it was Arab terrorists . . . but then the story mysteriously died. Until, the UK Independent reveals that it leads to a firm chaired by the 3rd highest man in the CIA (and stranger still is that $2.5 million of the "winnings" are still unclaimed (see below for URL to entire story). http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html . Info confirmed by Independent Newspaper in UK: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402

- ABC News.com's May/2001 story resurfaces about how the US Joint Chiefs of Staff have in the past ACTUALLY DESIGNED a plan to committ domestic terror on Americans to whip them into a war hysteria, to support war efforts by the govt. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

[The National Security Archive has a PDF version of the Operation Northwoods plan, which author James Bamford says "may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government." It can be found at the following URL:] http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

- Strangely Anthrax is sent to (not the President, or Republicans) but to the top Democrat and to the media. A foriegn terrorist would probably want to "divide" the country, not unite the opposition and the media in the war effort. - New Science Journal says Anthrax sent to Daschle is NOT Russian or Iraqi, but likely US military strain.

- San Francisco Chronicle reports, the anthrax strain produced in US University is destroyed on ok of FBI (they had studied this for years, some at university question the timing of the destruction of those anthrax spores . . . right now of all times (?)) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2001/11/09/MN153227.DTL

Terror Anthrax Linked to Type Made by U.S. The powder used in the anthrax attacks is virtually indistinguishable from that produced by the United States military, according to federal scientists. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/03/national/03POWD.html?todaysheadlines

- Bush Admin. declares they will "seal the records of presidents beginning with Father Bush/Reagans (an act never before done in US presidential history)." AND What bizarre timing. In the midst of a war and an economic disaster -- they find the time and "the desire" to seal the records of the Reagan/Bush admin, just as info is surfacing about Bush/Bin Laden connections from years back. (Details in Scripps-Howard News Service, appearing in Chico, CA paper on 11/5/2001)

“It is not a stretch to wonder if this White House is up to something that it doesn’t want known 12 years from now or anytime thereafter. [A direct quote from the piece carried by Scripps Howard News Service. Re: Bush’s sealing of presidential records for the first time in U.S. history]

"We must try to find out why the twin towers fell" By James Quintiere, Baltimore Sun 1/3/01 http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.towers03jan03.story WTC "INVESTIGATION"?: A CALL TO ACTION from Fire Engineering Magazine ..."There are many, many questions to be asked by us about the World Trade Center collapse and its implications on high-rise firefighting across the nation. Some questions are political, many are technical, others are philosophical. ..."you would think we would have the largest fire investigation in world history. You would be wrong. ..."We, the undersigned, call on FEMA to immediately impanel a "World Trade Center Disaster Review Panel" to coordinate a complete review of all aspects of the World Trade Center incident." http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&Su bSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=130026

FORMER GERMAN CABINET MINISTER ATTACKS OFFICIAL BRAINWASHING ON SEPTEMBER 11 ISSUE [Source: Tagesspiegel, Berlin, Jan. 13] PARTIAL TRANSLATION

In a full-page interview with the Sunday edition (Jan. 13) of the Berlin Tagesspiegel daily, former German Minister of Technology, Andreas von Buelow, said he does not buy any of the official theories that have been presented to date, on the events of September 11.

Q: You seem so angry, really upset.

Von Buelow: I can explain what's bothering me: I see that after the horrifying attacks of Sept. 11, all political public opinion is being forced into a direction that I consider wrong.

Q: What do you mean by that?

Von Buelow: I wonder why many questions are not asked. Normally, with such a terrible thing, various leads and tracks appear that are then commented on, by the investigators, the media, the government: Is there something here or not? Are the explanations plausible? This time, this is not the case at all. It already began just hours after the attacks in New York and Washington and--

Q: In those hours, there was horror, and grief.

Von Buelow: Right, but actually it was astounding: There are 26 intelligence services in the U.S.A. with a budget of $30 billion--

Q: ...more than the German defense budget...

Von Buelow: --which were not able to prevent the attacks. In fact, they didn't even have an inkling they would happen. For 60 decisive minutes, the military and intelligence agencies let the fighter planes stay on the ground, 48 hours later, however, the FBI presented a list of suicide attackers. Within ten days, it emerged that seven of them were still alive.

Q: What, please?

Von Buelow: Yes, yes. And why did the FBI chief take no position regarding contradictions? Where the list came from, why it was false?If I were the chief investigator (state attorney) in such a case, I would regularly go to the public, and give information on which leadsare valid and which not.

Q: That sounds like--

Von Buelow: --like assailants who, in their preparations, leave tracks behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants? They made payments with credit cards with their own names; they reported to their flight instructors with their own names. They left behind rented cars with flight manuals in Arabic for jumbo jets. They took with them, on their suicide trip, wills and farewell letters, which fall into the hands of the FBI, because they were stored in the wrong place and wrongly addressed. Clues were left like behind like in a child's game of hide-and-seek, which were to be followed!

There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: According to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out ofthe pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this technique was abusedin this case. That's a theory....

Q: Which sounds really adventurous, and was never considered.

Von Buelow: You see! I do not accept this theory, but I find it worth considering. And what about the obscure stock transactions? In theweek prior to the attacks, the amount of transactions in stocks in American Airlines, United Airlines, and insurance companies, increased 1,200%. It was for a value of $15 billion. Some people must have known something. Who?

Q: Why don't you speculate on who it might have been.

Von Buelow: With the help of the horrifying attacks, the Western mass democracies were subjected to brainwashing. The enemy image of anti-communism doesn't work any more; it is to be replaced by peoples of Islamic belief. They are accused of having given birth to suicidal terrorism.

Q: Brainwashing? That's a tough term.

Von Buelow: Yes? But the idea of the enemy image doesn't come from me. It comes from Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington, two policy-makers of American intelligence and foreign policy. Already in the middle of he 1990s, Huntingon believed, people in Europe and theU.S. needed someone they could hate-- this would strengthen their identification with their own society. And Brzezinski, the mad dog, as adviser to President Jimmy Carter, campaigned for the exclusive right of the U.S. to seize all the raw materials of the world, especiallyoil and gas.

Q: You mean, the events of Sept. 11--

Von Buelow: --fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry, the intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic complex. This is in fact conspicuous. The huge raw materials reserves of the former Soviet Union are now at their disposal, also the pipeline routes and--

Q: Erich Follach described that at length in Spiegel: ``It's amatter of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves.''

Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.

Q: You are a conspiracy theorist!

Von Buelow: Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those raising these questions] by those who would prefer to follow the official, politically correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed propaganda and disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have all his marbles! That is your accusation.

Q: Your career actually speaks against the idea that you are not in your right mind. You were already in the 1970s, state secretary in theDefense Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social Democratic Party] speaker in the Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee--

Von Buelow: And it all began there! Until that time, I did not have any great knowledge of the work of intelligence agencies. And now we had to take note of a great discrepancy: We shed light on the dealings of the Stasi and other East bloc intelligence agencies in the field of economic criminality, but as soon as we wanted to know something about the activities of the BND [German intelligence agency] or the CIA, it was mercilessly blocked. No information, no cooperation, nothing! That's when I was first taken aback.

Not at war. ----- "On the surface, selling arms to a country that sponsors terrorism, of course, clearly, you'd have to argue it's wrong, but it's the exception sometimes that proves the rule." - George Bush on Good Morning America. 01/28/87

****** END OF MESSAGE , Below are Email Addresses / Fax Numbers ********* [On below email/fax address contact info: visit http://www.11september.20m.com/activist_kit.htm for continually added NEW contacts for more and more media, etc. worldwide]

I BEG OF YOU, "ONLY" USE THESE CONTACT EMAIL AND FAX NUMBERS FOR THE US SENATE, US HOUSE, MEDIA, UN MISSIONS, EMBASSIES, EUROPEAN COMMISSION OFFICES, UNIVERSITY JOURNALISM DEPARTMENTS, AND BRITISH CONSULATES WORLDWIDE FOR CONGRESS TO ALERT THEM ABOUT "THIS ISSUE" Note: Due to the Anthrax upset many Congressmembers are NOT getting their emails. Send them emails anyway, BUT if you can get access to a fax machine send EVERY SINGLE Democratic Senator and Congressperson a FAX with the above info. House Fax Numbers Follow (Please email ALL with the above info, and fax as many as you can). NOTE: these are all Democratic House Members:



-- john (natlivent@pcpros.net), February 07, 2002

Answers

Well John, the puzzle isn't too troublesome to see anymore, is it? It's not finished, but the pieces are fitting together much more quickly and at least some of us hgave been glancing at the picture on the box's cover. Cover takes on several meanings. Buy brass.

As for the activists package, I have done all that already, and conitinue to be a blabbermouth pain in the backside for my representatives. Critical mass has yet to be achieved, but the NWO is trying to mop up and bits of their mess are becoming too apparent to those willing to look. Frankly this polarization of the populace is what has enabled much of this to continue. Last night I read an article whose headline was "Powell says Iraq needs a new regime"...kind of funny, huh?

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), February 08, 2002.


Well, on the grounds of "what do you think?" I sent this post to my brother whose in the army. Here is his response. Sissy, I read the posts and they are treasonous clap-trap. The country is full of conspiracy theorists who never have and never will trust the federal government. I was sent an email once that claimed FT. Hood has a "HUGE"detention facility hidden on it for prisoners taken by the government. When I wrote to the author he directed me to where I could find in. So one afternoon I took a spin and drove down the forbidden road to discover two things 1) a village built for assault practice and 2) the beginning of the artillery impact area where artillery falls 24/7 blowing the hell out of the terrain. No secret prison.

Yes there was discussion of an oil pipeline to cross Afghanistan. This could have been a great benefit to the Afghan people but this was a threat to Iran who wants to maintain a monopoly on oil exports on the East side of the gulf. An unstable Afghanistan was to their favor, this is why they are currently fighting a covert war to keep the new government down. Which is bringing them close to war with us as the train Al Qaida forces to send back in.

Yes of course US oil companies could have made money and now very likely will but to suggest the President was behind such an attack is crap. The operation required years to plan and execute, unless one proposes that Bush in Texas hatched the scheme and had it in place on the off chance he would win the election then, the theory is utter crap.

Yes the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs may well have developed a scheme to topple the Cubans but when he presented it to our elected civilians he was fired: "President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba...Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job." He was quietly dismissed because he was a loony.

The USA is the greatest most powerful nation in the world. The economy of California ALONE is greater than most European countries. We just increased our budget by more money than the Europeans spend on defense combined. If we chose to apply pressure to force Afghanistan to allow our companies to run the oil pipes we had tools available to make that happen without recourse to a cock-eyed terrorist attack scheme.

The reality is our nation was attacked by religious fundamentalists who want to see our way of life come to an end. They want to see Christians converted to Islam or die. If I weren't a soldier training my butt off to protect the right of the individuals who gave you that email to theorize and speak treason I would direct my efforts to the defense of Christianity in public life rather than looking for conspiracies. In California there is now a class introduced since 911 that forces Christians and Jews to learn about Islam, dress like a Muslim, adopt their names and memorize versus of the Koran. Could you imagine a similar class teaching about the Bible and Christianity? There is a war on between Islam and Christianity, the crusades have been resumed and they have taken first blood. Turning on our elected officials with nonsense serves no purpose but distraction from the conflict and allows them to out flank us.

This is what I was talking about in my last letter to you. Christians can't teach our way of thought but the Muslims can?

Lee

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — A federal judge held on Friday that elementary school Bible classes violate the Constitution's mandated separation of church and state.

The classes have been held for 51 years in Rhea County — the same county where the Scopes "monkey trial" was held in 1925.

In banning the classes, U.S. District Judge Allan Edgar wrote that the government "may not teach, or allow the teaching of a distinct religious viewpoint."

-- Sissy Barth (iblong2Him@ilovejesus.net), February 09, 2002.


Hey I live in RHea county and have a vhild in a Rhea county School. WE are currently under assault from the ACLU or THe center for seperation of church and state or something like that. I guess they are fully intent on erasing al traces of God and country in even the smllest communities

-- Daryl in tn (dmoormans@yahoo.com), February 09, 2002.

I'm not saying the charges in John's post are or are not true, but to say that someone incorrectly asserted that there was a huge detention facility at Ft Hood is to divert attention from the issues. What difference does it make whether or not someone made this mistaken assertion? Was this asserter the same person who made all these new claims? No. In fact, there are quite a few reliable looking sources quoted.

It would take many, many hours to read all the links, but I've read some of them, and they confirm what several people I know, who are normally pretty level headed, conspiracy/wise, already have suggested to me, from shortly after 911.

To accuse John of "treason" is scary enough in itself; of course, it fits right in with dubya's P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, doesn't it?

-- joj (jump@off.c), February 10, 2002.


I agree completely with Joj. (see, a new miracle every day!) Just because something someone asserted was wrrong doesn't mean that every assertion is wrong. There is a lot of information, disinformation and misinformation out there. The entire 911 scenario is amazing. This is getting a lot longer now. Sorry.... Here are just a few things:

Government ESP

People magazine September 12, 2001 New York City

people.aol.com/people/spe...-5,00.html

"We're currently one of the first teams that was deployed to support the City of New York in this disaster. We arrived on late Monday night [September 1 and went right into action on Tuesday morning." [September 11] —Tom Kennedy, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) "National Urban Search and Rescue Team", interview by CBS News anchor Dan Rather Audio file of confession by FEMA on ABC TV News

"How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on." —Ben Fountain, 42, a financial analyst with Fireman's Fund Insurance, was coming out of the Chambers Street Station, headed for his office on the 47th floor of the south tower

people.aol.com/people/spe...-3,00.html

"We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building. I had just asked another firefighter to stay with me, which was a good thing because we were trapped inside the elevator and he had the tools to get out." —Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem

people.aol.com/people/spe...-2,00.html

"In 1993 we had smoke, a little bit of shake. This was a lot scarier. Last time you got the sense that everything was going to be okay. This was like an action flick without the heroes. There's no happy ending." —Richard Egües, investment banker

"I was in the Army during the Vietnam era. But this surpassed all of that. I just kept thinking, 'It's a terrible world.'" —David Schnitzer, Empire Blue Cross and Blue Shield manager, 24th floor of World Trade Tower 1

LIFE - a Commemorative - September 11 and After [Just 1 of dozens of books published within hours of the terrorist attack to promote the Wild Conspiracy Theory promoted by the Bush-occupied White House]

"On February 23, 1993, six people were killed and a thousand were injured when bombs were detonated in the parking garage beneath the Center, leading to life-sentences for six Islamic extremists. But the building held. Much earlier, on July 28, 1945, a B-25 bomber got lost in the fog and slammed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building. Fourteen lives were lost and there was massive damage, but that building held, too. When the World Trade Center was in design, the Empire State incident was recalled, and the Twin Towers were built to withstand the blow from a big jetliner—the biggest jetliner being flown at the time [a Boeing 747]."

Newspapers and TeeVee

"A president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power. We are letting George W. Bush get away with the replacement of the American rule of law with military kangaroo courts. In his infamous emergency order, Bush admits to dismissing "the principles of law and the rules of evidence" that undergird America's system of justice. He seizes the power to circumvent the courts and set up his own drumhead tribunals. His kangaroo court can conceal evidence by citing national security, make up its own rules, find a defendant guilty even if a third of the officers disagree, and execute the alien with no review by any civilian court. In an Orwellian twist, Bush's order calls this Soviet-style abomination 'a full and fair trial.' On what legal meat does this our Caesar feed?" —William Safire, Republican, New York Times, "Seizing dictatorial power", November 15, 2001

"A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks." —George Arney, British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), "US 'planned attack on Taleban', The wider objective was to oust the Taleban", 18 September, 2001. [ 1 I 2 ]

"U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in Tuesday's terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s." —George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry, Newsweek, "Alleged Highjackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases, The Pentagon has turned over military records on five men to the FBI," September 15, 2001

"Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists, destroy every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush administration will embrace you. That's the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main sponsor of the Taliban. Never mind that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading anti-American terror operation from his base in Afghanistan." —Robert Scheer, Los Angeles Times, "Bush's Faustian deal with the Taliban," 22 May 2001

"Three days ago, I learned from someone at ABC News that ABC had videotape -- an angle of the second plane crashing into the tower -- that showed an F-16 fighter jet trailing the plane at a distance. Is it becoming more clear now that the plane that went down in Pennsylvania was shot down." —Michael Moore, The Awful Truth TV Show, www.michaelmoore.com, Mike's Message, 15 Sep 2001

"The US Vice-President, Dick Cheney, revealed in a television interview over the weekend that President George Bush had given an order last Tuesday for the military to shoot down any civilian aircraft. Last week, rumours surfaced that Flight 93 had been shot down by the military. According to Norad's timeline, the military were tipped off by the Federal Aviation Authority about the first aircraft, American Airlines Flight 11, at 8.40am, eight minutes before it crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Centre. At 8.43am a second alert was issued concerning United Airlines Flight 175, also heading for the World Trade Centre. At 9.24am, Norad was told about the third aircraft, the one heading for the Pentagon, and two F-16s took off from Langley Air Force Base in Virginia. It was at this point that President Bush is said to have issued his shoot order. F-16s from Langley flew protective patterns over Washington. United Flight 93 crashed outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 10.03am. The rumours that this plane was shot down are based on the fact that debris was found up to eight miles from the crash site, that one of the passengers talking on a mobile phone reported hearing an explosion and seeing a plume of white smoke in the cabin, and that eyewitnesses saw a second aircraft in the sky at the time of the crash." —Andrew Gumbel, The Independent, "US jets were just eight minutes away from shooting down hijacked plane. Terror in America: Military Reaction", 20 September 2001

"Mayor Giuliani — a former federal prosecutor who won notice for pursuing the Mafia — had relatives linked to organized crime, including a mobbed-up cousin who was gunned down by FBI agents in 1977. Lewis D'Avanzo, a son of the mayor's uncle and a guest at Giuliani's first wedding in 1968, was a "ruthless and widely feared mob associate" who headed a massive stolen car ring, according to FBI documents and interviews detailed in Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, by Village Voice senior editor Wayne Barrett. Along with cracking heads, it says the mayor's father served time in state prison for a stickup, rarely held an on-the-books job and once was a gunman in a mob shootout in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn." —Michael Blood, City Hall Bureau Chief, New York Daily News, "Rudy's Kin Tied to Mob -

Father, uncle and cousin surface in new biography," July 06, 2000

"After a police officer shot Carlo Giuliani in the head, Time magazine published a requiem of sorts -- explaining that the 23-year-old Italian protester pretty much got what he deserved. 'One man died in Genoa; a man, we must presume, who was swayed by the false promise that violence -- not peaceful protest, not participation in the democratic process -- is the best way to advance a political cause,' Time's article concluded. 'You reap what you sow.' Quite a few commentators seemed to accept -- or even applaud -- the killing of Giuliani as rough justice. 'Excuse me if I don't mourn for the young man who was shot dead by police during the economic summit,' wrote Houston Chronicle columnist Cragg Hines. 'It was tragic, but he was asking for it, and he got it.'" —Norman Solomon, FAIR - Counterspin, Media Beat, "Dancing -- or Yawning -- on the Grave of Carlo Giuliani", July 26, 2001

"The dry powder used in the anthrax attacks is virtually indistinguishable in critical technical respects from that produced by the United States military before it shut down its biowarfare program, according to federal scientists and military contractor documents. The similarity to the levels achieved by the United States military lends support to the idea that someone with ties to the old program may be behind the attacks that have killed five people. Its high concentration is surprising, weapon experts said, and far beyond what military analysts once judged as the likely abilities of terrorists. The anthrax sent to the Senate contained as many as one trillion spores per gram. If a lethal dose is estimated conservatively at 10,000 microscopic spores, then a gram in theory could cause about 100 million deaths. The letter sent to Tom Daschle, the Senate Democratic leader, is said to have held two grams of anthrax." —William Broad, New York Times, "Terror anthrax linked to type made by US", December 3, 2001

Videotape of dead CIA agent Mike Spann interrogating John Walker, the "American Taliban"

"[CIA agent Johnny 'Mike'] Spann is wearing blue jeans and a black jumper. A Kalashnikov rifle is strapped across his back. [CIA agent] 'Dave' is dressed in a black tunic that reaches below his knees. Walker is approached by Northern Alliance soldiers, who seem to be tightening the ropes tying his elbows behind his back. A Northern Alliance officer gives him a light kick in the stomach. His hair his pulled back. 'Dave' to Spann]: 'The problem is, he's got to decide if he wants to live or die and die here. We're just going to leave him, and he's going to @#%$ sit in prison the rest of his @#%$ short life. It's his decision, man.' [American POW and alleged Afgan-Taliban John] Walker is then pulled to his feet by an Afghan guard, and taken back to the group of prisoners sitting on the earth in the compound. Shortly after this footage was shot, prisoners emerging from the fortress rushed the guards, throwing grenades and grabbing their captors' rifles. It was the beginning of the battle of Kala Jangi [when US aircraft intentionally bombed the POWs at the prison]. Spann was killed in the early stages of the uprising [allegedly the first US fatality, not counting 'friendly fire' and 'accidents'], and Dave [and Walker] reportedly were extracted from the compound by U.S. and British special forces." —Colin Soloway, NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE, "He's Got To Decide if He Wants to Live or Die Here", December 6, 2001

Witnesses Recount foreign-Taliban POWs Murdered While Held Captive

"Dozens of Taliban prisoners died after surrendering to Northern Alliance forces, asphyxiated in the shipping containers used to transport them to prison, witnesses say. The deaths occurred as the prisoners, many of them foreign fighters for the Taliban, were brought from the town of Kunduz to the prison here, a journey that took two or three days for some. Colonel General Jurabek, the Northern Alliance commander in charge of some 3,000 prisoners being held here, said Saturday that 43 prisoners had died in half a dozen containers on the way. But the number of deaths may be much higher. Omar, a pale and slight youth, said through the bars of his prison wing that all but seven people in his container had died from lack of air. He estimated that more than 100 had died." —CARLOTTA GALL, New York Times, December 11, 2001

FAIR - Counterspin Radio: Massacre of Taliban POWs at a Northern Alliance prison, December 7 - 14, 2001

1,000 Turn Out In Oregon to Hear Mike Ruppert Expose Government Complicity in the WTC, Pentagon Attacks

On November 28th an estimated 1,000 people came from as far away as Seattle and San Francisco to Portland State University to see From The Wilderness Publications Publisher/Editor Mike Ruppert give a 2 * hour lecture and documentary presentation on the events surrounding the September 11th attacks and their aftermath. Ruppert's lecture was full of documentary evidence. After pointing out – among other things – that the Chief of Pakistani intelligence (approved for his position by the CIA) ordered a $100,000 wire transfer to lead hijacker Mohammed Atta; that the Bush family had business dealings with the bin Laden family through the Carlyle Group, that the U.S. and British governments had extensive military deployments already in the area before the attacks, and that the Bush administration had ordered the FBI to stop investigating two relatives of Osama bin Laden living near CIA headquarters this January, Ruppert launched into the centerpiece of the lecture which was a visual presentation of his timeline of events around September 11th - which left some members of the audience in tears. The audience responded to the lecture with a two minute standing ovation. www.copvcia.com/stories/d...tland.html www.copvcia.com/stories/n.../lucy.html

Videotape on Government's prior knowledge of 9- 11 by Alex Jones at Info Wars

www.infowars.com/911_emer...video.html

Distraught George Bush Jr. chews out humbled CIA, fires incompetent or corrupt secret agents and slashes CIA budget on 26 September 2001 - TEXT I VIDEO I AUDIO I WAV

"I think George clearly should remain as director of the CIA. I think--I've had great confidence in him. I've watched him operate now and worked closely with him for the last seven or eight months. I think he and his people do superb work for us. And I think it would be a tragedy if somehow we were to go back now in the search for scapegoats and say that George Tenet or any other official ought to be eliminated at this point." Vice President Dick Cheney, Camp David, Maryland, White House Press Releases, "Meet the Press with Tim Russert", September 16, 2001

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), February 10, 2002.



Sissy's brother wrote "The reality is our nation was attacked by religious fundamentalists who want to see our way of life come to an end. They want to see Christians converted to Islam or die. "

That might be what he believes and what a lot of others do to but I doubt it is true.

The big ogre in this has been named as Osama Bin Laden and as I recall it his three grouches were:

1.Non-Islamic government in his home country, Saudi Arabia. 2.USA blind support for everything that Israel does. 3.US troops remaining in Saudi Arabia, which some consider 'The Holy Land'

If you want a demonstration of religous tolerance perhaps you might like to consider this: I don't know how many centuries Egypt has been an Islamic country but the Coptic Christians (who some say are the only true Christians) have been living there ever since the dawn of Christianity.

-- john hill (john@cnd.co.nz), February 10, 2002.


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