.Subject: Response to Another Baptism Thread (Oh no!!!) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:18:22 GMT From: bboard@greenspun.com Reply-To: mrbatman@earthlink.net To: nib@hal-pc.org

This is the kind of discussion I wanted to have in here, without being blasted by a thousand pages of "party line" every time the subject was brought up. Still flinching a bit tho, waiting for the other Saffold shoe to drop ... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Subject: Response to Another Baptism Thread (Oh no!!!) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:16:48 GMT From: bboard@greenspun.com Reply-To: PYBuck12pt@cs.com To: nib@hal-pc.org

Again John....I think he forces a dichotomy the Scripture simply does not do. His carries more of a tone of "Calvinism" to it....for nowhere (with one exception)....does the Scripture refer to baptism as a "work."

The one place it is referred to as a "work"...Colossians 2:12...it becomes clear....God is the one doing the work....not man.

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Subject: Response to Welcome to the New "Saffold" Free Forum!!! Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 00:51:49 GMT From: bboard@greenspun.com Reply-To: mrbatman@earthlink.net To: nib@hal-pc.org

This should be on the About page as the manner in which posters are expected to conduct themselves from now on:

[blockquote]Do not be quick with your mouth, do not be hasty in your heart to utter anything before God. God is in heaven and you are on earth, so let your words be few. As a dream comes when there are many cares, so the speech of a fool when there are many words. - Ecclesiastes 5:2-3 [/blockquote] <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Subject: Response to N.I.V. People to Produce the "Gender-Neutral" Bible Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:35:56 GMT From: bboard@greenspun.com Reply-To: mrbatman@earthlink.net To: nib@hal-pc.org

I understand the NASV is probably the most accurate on the market. And I'm no preacher, but for sheer modern-day readability, the one I prefer is the CEV (Contemporary English Version).

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Wow! what a difference. I started reading the men's ministry thread and all the posts were to the point, stressing views, and then I hit a thread that wouldn't stop. I thought oh my, this is from the with saffoldizing. I ran as fast as I could and found safety in the saffold free. But something tells me he will find a way to get back on. I welcome his thoughts, if only they would be...... 'nuf said.

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John,

Isn't it an oxymoron to say one is "baptized to be saved" and "baptized to obey Christ?"

I think in a sense both is wrong statements are wrong. We are baptized into Christ, the water has no efficacy. It is the power of Christ that regenerates us. The actual questions, to me are, can a person be saved without being regenerated, and can we be regenerated with out the water and the spirit, ergo, where does water and spirit meet to make us "born from above?" It is only immersion.

For me I don't have the right to tell someone they are going to Hell. I have the responsibility to teach them the truths of the word. To that I add, if I don't love those who have not been immersed into Christ, and accept them as loved by God, then I will never teach them the truth. My attitude in this regard has allowed me to have a significant impact in bringing people to Jesus through the years.

Having said that, it drives me crazy the many references about baptism in the NT and the fact that many would ignore its part in the plan of salvation.

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Not to sound unkind in any way, but I have thought this was needed a long time ago. Thank you for the right response.

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(I hope I put the issue right and didn't mis-state anyone's positions.)

/me waits for the Saffolding ... oh, wait, he's not here anymore ...

/me relaxes ...

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Nelta----

-- Nelta (nib@hal-pc.org), February 07, 2002