Hi, I suppose our "regulars" have now since noticed our Survivors List. A place where you can post sightings of ex- ACL/SAL/SCL and affiliated lines equipment that have managed to elude the CSX paint shop, or the scrap line. We hope you enjoy this feature.

I need to say word or two about posting here. Please only post those items that you can confirm as surviving equipment. No speculation. I appreciate the enthusiasm, but posting "Streamline two door baggage car in service on Amtrak #92, the Silver Star in early January 2002 at Columbia, SC." is inconclusive and vague. Just because a streamline "heritage fleet" baggage car "looks" like it might have been owned by SAL/SCL/ACL...? Might have been CB&Q... Check your references, take down numbers, do some research.

We want everyone to enjoy this feature, but let's try to keep it accurate and not turn it into a rumor mill.

Thanks

Buck Dean, Webmaster

-- Buck Dean (bdean@jngray.com), January 31, 2002

Answers

Ridge, can you doublecheck the caboose's number - it doesn't fit the info you give. Either the number is wrong or the built date is wrong. 0853 was an SCL caboose, built around 1969, but it appears you probably don't mean that. Is the number perhaps 0353 or something else below 0600? Can you supply a description or a link to a photo?

-- Larry Goolsby (clgoolsby@att.net), November 28, 2004.

I would like to have more information on a ACL 1917 Wood Caboose #0853. It is located at the Florida State Fair Grounds in Cracker Country. It was built in 1917 and in used up to 1970 whenDr. James R West. a physician and Mayor of Lakeland Florida, struck a deal with the RR owners to give him the caboose. He would continur to give RR physicals if he could have the caboose. It was place on a sliding, Dr West renovaated the caboose as hixs examining office and used it from 1971 to his death in 1978. In 1983 his wife donated to Cracker country where is is today. We do not know the following questions. where it was built and by whom? How long was it in actual service? What is the correct outside color and arraingment of decals? It is now a dark red. We do have a blueprint of that model. Thank you Ridge

-- Ridge Leedom (Tridge1927@aol.com), November 28, 2004.

I know for a fact that there is a steam locomotive buried (in the 30's or 40's) under highway 401 in Louisburg N.C. It was on a siding and when the state built hwy 401 the engine was in the way so a hole was dug beside the engine and the whole thing pulled into the hole via cables and covered up. I was told it was an early ACL locomotive but you guys who are into this stuff may already know about this.

-- Greg Kissel (kfirestar@aol.com), March 10, 2002.

Can the Webmaster accept pictures for this project without slowing down response time? Or create a link to pictures submitted?

-- Randall Bass (Ribatgap2@aol.com), February 08, 2002.

ACL and FEC jointly ordered three lightweight streamlined baggage cars from ACF. ACL cars 150 and 151 were delivered in February 1950 while FEC car 501 was delivered in March 1950. ACL car 151 was wrecked and a replacement car shell was ordered from Pullman-Standard in 1957 and was placed in service by the ACL after completion of the insides, etc, by Emerson shops at Rocky Mount. This car was numbered 152. FEC 501 was sold to the Seaboard in November 1965 where it became SAL 6070. All three cars made it to SCL where ACL 150 became SCL 5000, SAL 6070 became SCL 5001 and ACL 152 became SCL 5002. SCL cars 5000 and 5002 were eventually renumbered to AMTRAK 1070 and 1071 respectively, where they are still in operation.

-- Michael W. Savchak (Savchak@mnr.org), February 05, 2002.

The lightweight baggage cars once owned by ACL and FEC can be readily identified by their flat roofs. These cars were not built by Budd and are amongst the few non Budd built heritage cars still running in AMTRAK service. The reason ACL, SAL and FEC did not own more than a few lightweight baggage cars is that the streamliners did not normally carry more than the passenger's baggage. Anything else- express, human remains in coffins, animals, etc, went via the secondary slower trains. The passenger baggage was carried in the baggage-dormitory car. The usual use of the lightweight baggage cars was on the South Wind, where the PRR used a twin unit diner-which had a dormitory-kitchen car, so a seperate baggage car was required.

-- Michael W. Savchak (Savchak@mnr.org), February 04, 2002.

While getting the car number is a detail I overlooked, the slanted " Seaboard Coast Line " road name was clearly evident in the light at the right angle. The name board is completely intact and spans almost the entire area between the car doors. When you are loading baggage trying to make up time you just can't look at all the details. We have a handful of Amtrak cars you can still read the previous owners name in the name board. Not to long ago we still had an A&WP diner in service.

-- John Potter (seaboardrrjp@cs.com), February 02, 2002.

Joe, what was the number on the SAL LW Baggage? What year was it put in service? Carey

-- Carey Stevens (ca.stevens@worldnet.att.net), February 01, 2002.

anyone know the history of the GP9 that has been sitting in west jax yard for some years??? Its painted ACL black and yellow and i dont remember the number, is it even ex-acl??

-- troy nolen (tnolen12@tampabay.rr.com), February 01, 2002.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ACL owned TWO LW baggage cars and SAL got one from the FEC. U'ALL need to look it up.Do your research! BTW The gentleman that reported the baggage DOES KNOW what he is talking about.I did not know these cars were still running. At one time the exACL cars were AMT 1070-71.The exSAL car did not go to Amtrak.

-- J.Oates (jlosal@mindspring.com), January 31, 2002.

I don't know, Carey, that's why I posted this. Some other fellow posted the sighting on the "Survivor's List" and I was perplexed because he just said "streamline baggage" with no other information.

Buck

-- Buck Dean (bdean@jngray.com), January 31, 2002.

Since you mentioned it. Did the SAL ever own a "Heritage Fleet" 2 door streamline baggage car?

-- Carey Stevens (ca.stevens@worldnet.att.net), January 31, 2002.