Has anyone ever used this product? (BioChoice) (Health)

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Or you do you know of anyone who has used it? it is called BioChoice. I have been reading some info on it. I suffer from fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue and do not take medication..just supplements. If you have not heard of this .. I am surely open to alternative methods of coping with this stuff. I can handle everything but the fatigue. I surely hope you have some suggestions. Thank you so much.. Sher

-- Sher in se Iowa (riverdobbers@webtv.net), January 25, 2002

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Response to Has anyone ever used this product?

No,I haven't, but would like to learn more about it also. I too have fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue. Any other suggestions on how to cope would also be welcome. I don't take any medications, but have found that keeping very active helps alot.

-- Jo in PA (farmerjo02@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.

Response to Has anyone ever used this product?

I recommend you place the name of the product in the thread header.

-- Rick#7 (rick7@postmark.net), January 25, 2002.

Response to Has anyone ever used this product?

I'll go out on a limb here and give you my opinion of this product. This product does not state that you will benefit directly from the natural antibodies that it says it contains. As most of these supplements are not regulated, I have a hard time with many advertisement statements. Don't get me wrong, I do use supplements and believe that some can be of benefit. You might want to try looking at this site, Fibromyalgia Network,
-- BC (desertdweller44@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.

Response to Has anyone ever used this product?

BC, unfortunately suppliers and manufacturers of herbal/natural supplements and remedies are forbidden by law to make any health claims whatsoever. Only the pharmaceutical companies are allowed to do this, and it matters not how much information is ommitted, twisted, or is a bald faced lie, they have the appoval of our government. To stay in business, and continue to make available non- drug/unconventional therapies, sellers must be very careful what they say or they will be shut down.

-- Earthmama (earthmama48@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.

Response to Has anyone ever used this product?

Here is another one. It's called Noni juice. Said to help fibromyalgia and anything else that bothers you. I am looking into it for my chemical sensitivities. Anyone hear about that for Sher?

-- Dee (gdgtur@goes.com), January 25, 2002.


Response to Has anyone ever used this product?

Earthmama, the problem is that a lot of these supplement sellers do NOT want their products to be tested for safety. They still make the claims, but they also include the "disclaimer" that the claims have not been tested by the FDA.

Some companies do advertise that they go through third-party labs and so forth to ensure uniformity of product, but the reality is that you can by two different brands of say, echinacea, which both say on the bottle that they are identical in strength, and actually have one product be much stronger than another. That is not the case with aspirin and so on. There needs to be uniform standards for the supplement industry.

-- GT (nospam@nospam.com), January 25, 2002.


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Here is a relatively new site that does analysis of vitamins and supplements, Consumer Lab, http://www.consumerlab.com/results/index.asp. Consumer Lab is an independent lab that is currently providing some free and more in depth analysis of vitamins, herbs and dietary supplements for a subscription fee of 12 months is $15.95. I started to post this with my other post, but didn't because when I checked it, it did not have information on BioChoice.

-- BC (desertdweller44@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.

I would like to know who all these 'supplement sellers' are who do not want their products to be tested for safety! Do you actually believe that manufacturers of health food products are somehow less moral or caring of their customers than the pharmeceutical industry's, whose products kill upwards of 100,000 people a year when used AS DIRECTED??

Fact is, 'testing', as done in the health industry today, is a joke. There would be no more relevance in having ones "natural" products approved by the FDA than there is of their current approval of hundreds of thousands of drugs, ALL of which have side effects, many, many many of them deadly. It costs millions of dollars to have things 'approved' by the FDA, so only mega-corps can afford it anyway. The testing is most often done with little actual oversight by the government, but by the fox overseeing the chickens.

I quite agree that minimum standards labelling should be adhered to, so that we know we are buying 200 mgs of something when the label says we are. But that, IMO, should be the limit of the governments involvement in our health decisions.

-- Earthmama (earthmama48@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.


I am talking about supplement sellers who for example sell gincko biloba for memory enhancement, etc. Those types of supplement sellers are making money hand over fist, preying on the desperation and in some cases out and out stupidity of people. If they can afford to market it, they can afford to have it tested.

I am not saying that all drugs are perfect, everything has side effects. But a lot of the "herbal medicine" out there is folk wisdom, which does not mean it is wrong, but we (government, or independent labs, etc.) have the ability to test (which wasn't the case centuries ago), so we should. Many books about herbal medicine read like the "how come you always cut off the ends of the ham?" story. That is all I was trying to say.

-- GT (nospam@nospam.com), January 25, 2002.


Well, GT, I reckon we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. If you think that herbal supplement sellers are making money hand over fist, then I suggest you do some research on just how much money they DO make, and then compare it to how much money drug manufacturers and their line of marketers make. (all the way to the Docs at the top of the list). There simply IS no comparison, but if you dont believe me, find out for yourself.

If someone chooses to buy gingko biloba for memory help, that should be their choice. If you feel its out of desperation, or stupidity, then I fail to see how that is any different than purchasing drugs when done for the same thing. Drugs cost a heckuva lot more, ALL have side effects, most of em don't even do what they are supposed to do, and most of em do lots of damage in the process of not doing what they are supposed to do. All the 'testing' in the world will not change the fact that herbals have centuries of real life "studies" behind them; almost never have side effects.....(except when combined with those #$%%$ meds.); are inexpensive, and can even in many cases be produced in your own backyard, and that anyone of average intelligence and will can become knowledgable enough to treat themselves and their own families for most anything. If something works for me and mine, it works. That doesnt change whether or not the government says it does or doesnt, and I'm not the least interested in their corporate-kissy opinion.

Peace :)

-- Earthmama (earthmama48@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.



Earthmama, What about the Noni?

-- Dee (gdgtur@goes.com), January 25, 2002.

Dee, we used NONI for awhile, although it wasnt my idea! I was skeptical cuz it sounded so exotic and it IS expensive, but we try to keep an open mind and will try most anything once! :) My partner was the one with Fibro, and she tried several things; this was one. She doesnt have Fibro anymore, and it certainly could have been a contributing factor, cuz it seems to be loaded with nutrients, but Fibro is a very complex condition that I think requires a full set of individualized healing elements.

-- Earthmama (earthmama48@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.

I was thinking of trying it myself for my chemical problems. I figured, if anything, it would be juice and I don't eat enough fruit:)

-- Dee (gdgtur@goes.com), January 25, 2002.

Here is a web site that allows for the searching of many, many plants for the phytochemicals that they contain: Phytochemical Data Base, http://www.ars- grin.gov/duke/ This page allows the user to query the database for phytochemicals in one or several chosen plants, Plant Phytochemical Search, http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/plants.html Dr. Duke, the creator of this data base, is a 26(+) yr. researcher into the powers found in plants. This is a gov. site, but the information that can be obtained, I feel is helpful and if regular doctors would utilize this information their patients would definitely receive better care.

-- BC (desertdweller44@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.

I use BioChoice, my husband uses it, all the rest of our family uses it, with astounding results. It is listed in the 2001 PDR (Physicians Desk Reference) and has an FDA GRAS rating. You may email me for more info.

-- Sharon (diamondseeker2@aol.com), February 24, 2002.


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