I don't much follow healthfood stuff cause so much of it comes and goes with the advertising and little investigation to start with. Mostly grab a buck type hype preying on the ever hopeful. This one is different. Choline. Would link this if I had faith my skill but you'll have to type it yourselves.

http://www.sciencenews.org/20011103/bob13.asp

This is a well respected mag. The implications for the evolution of humans and present world position among nations are as profound as those for our unborn.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), November 07, 2001

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-- Pammy (pamela_sue57@hotmail.com), November 08, 2001.

Interesting. My recollection is that choline for brain-power has been peddled in health food stores at least since the 70s. Inositol was another one.

I took them both at that time and was not aware of any affect. Well, after all, high high can IQ go? (yuk)

Maybe it's time to try again. If memory serves, my memory ain't what it used to be.

-- (lars@indy.net), November 08, 2001.

I took Inositol for a couple years back inthe 80's and noticed I had become decidedly less intelligent. Then again, the Inositol was used as cut for cocaine...

-- Rich (living_in_interesting_times@hotmail.com), November 08, 2001.

LOL @ Rich. I'll have to look into this, Carlos. It would sure be nice if SOMETHING/ANYTHING could improve my memory. Then again, maybe there are some things I'm better off not remembering, and I was SO looking forward to being able to hide my own Easter eggs.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), November 08, 2001.

I thought that cut was mannitol. Gave you the rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), November 08, 2001.

(I have led a sheltered life...)

So if I eat the eggs instead of what we're doing with them, then I might be able to remember what we're talking about longer than 24 hours?

-- helen (other@shoe.waits), November 08, 2001.

instead of what we're doing with them

Kindof like the liquor thing, I don't think I want to pursue this.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), November 08, 2001.

Someone will, Anita, someone else will...

-- helen (other@shoe.getting.heavy.hurry.up), November 08, 2001.

You know me well. Just what are you doing with your eggs?

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), November 08, 2001.

(((JBT)))

Got things to do right now...it's a story...maybe tomorrow...

-- helen >=} (the@eggs.the.eggs), November 08, 2001.

Cutting the cocaine with inositol shows I hung with an intellectual crowd, FS. You, on the otherhand, hung with a "shitty" crowd. ;)

(doing the duck and cover)

-- Rich (living_in_interesting_times@hotmail.com), November 08, 2001.

It's the inutero implications that facinate me. Got a hunch the rest of us are pretty much stuck with what we've got. Better diet clearly benefited the ruling classes of yore but whoda thunk that a noble's wife's access to dairy and red meat would produce a smarter kid while the serf's grains and veggies would leave their next generation a leg down. Getting hung for killing a king's deer cost more than we thought.

Prenatal vitamins don't contain choline...yet! Till then no pregnant woman is leaving my store without a bottle even if I have to buy it.

Didn't realize till I read the link that the article there is somewhat truncated. For any out there who like science stuff of any stripe I strongly recommend this little weekly.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), November 08, 2001.

Recall that you hafta watch it with high dose choline if you tend toward manic/depression. Can make it more so. (addressed to no one in particular!)

Carlos, thanks for the recommendation. Second recommendation I've heard of it since yesterday. That always gets my attention! It was in a book I was reading.

It's fairly well established that prehistoric hunter/gatherer diets had a much higher proportion of organ meats (which are loaded with choline) than muscle meats. So, it could be that hardly anyone these days is getting an optimum amount for what we are adapted to. (yummmm.... liver)

-- Debbie (dbspence@pobox.com), November 08, 2001.

Yummy high fat diets are back!

-- helen (woody@allen.predicted.this), November 08, 2001.

Years ago (actually more like decades) one could buy beef hearts at the supermarket. One of my favorites, long gone.

-- Peter Errington (petere7@starpower.net), November 09, 2001.

This might be "shattering" to a vegetarian like Cin, but not to me! I've been eating the good stuff all along.

-- Meat Eaters (smarter@than.vegheads), November 09, 2001.

Peter, when I moved to Hertford, North Carolina from NJ in 1993, one of the first things that had to be done was to walk me through the meat section of the local supermarket. You want organ meats? You want packages of stuff that had no right being labeled meat? Didn't LOOK like any meat I'd ever seen. "Meat" that even the chitlin'-eatin' crowd turned their noses up at?

Local diner's menu, Breakfast, item 1: Pig brains and scrambled eggs. Not kidding.

Beef heart (and all other organs except eyes) was always available for under a buck a pound and my dogs benefited from it. Funny, NCers use every part of the pig, but my dogs wouldn't touch pork.

Dear Abby, Should I have sent my dogs through Bat Mitzvah training? Signed, Kosher Canines (Father of)

-- Rich (living_in_interesting_times@hotmail.com), November 09, 2001.

"but my dogs wouldn't touch pork."

The FBI is on the way to arrest them and interrogate them as suspected Islamic terrierists.

-- (very@suspicious.behavior), November 09, 2001.

Rich, if you offered raw pork to your dogs, they were right to refuse it.

-- helen (can@you.spell.trich.trich.trichnosis?), November 09, 2001.

RAW? Is your opinion of me THAT LOW? Christ sakes, I have the talent to tie my own shoe laces while chewing gum AND humming the theme from Mr. Ed. What this has to do with serving my dogs raw pork I'll never know (insert Groucho cigar waggle here).

I cook for my girls, helen. They partake of gourmet meals while I eat Y2k tuna mixed into mac & cheese. The tuna is pretty smelly and off color coming out of the can but if I were picky about my food I wouldn't be eating mac & cheese, would I?

-- Rich (living_in_interesting_times@hotmail.com), November 09, 2001.

very suspicious, I almost overlooked your pun. After reading it I wish I HAD overlooked it. ;)

-- Rich (living_in_interesting_times@hotmail.com), November 09, 2001.

Wait a minute! You...COOK?

-- helen (men@cook.for.real?), November 09, 2001.

I eat, therefore I cook.

Perhaps you'd like to trade in your ice cream chit for one which includes sambhar (a spicy lentil soup), chicken curry (also spicy), vegetable biryani (basmati rice dish), with naan (store bought but reheated with plenty of ghee)?

But if you ask for a Budweiser to wash it down with, I will punch the ejector switch on your seat before a forkfull reaches your cake hole.

-- Rich (living_in_interesting_times@hotmail.com), November 09, 2001.

I want all that AND the ice cream.

-- helen lives in a culinary wasteland (hate@cooking.love.food), November 09, 2001.

Then to fit the theme, the dessert would be Pistachio Kulfi (indian ice cream with a hint of rose water), followed by the inspirational movie Gandhi and lastly, a walk under the starry canopy of night.

Methinks you'd go back to the mule singing a different tune.

Legal Disclaimer: the above is in no way intended as a public offering, the author really can't cook worth a shit and he reserves the right to reneg on all or part without notice. Except for the part about the ice cream. And the movie. I really like Ben Kingsley. Stars are very cool too, but do not appear in this part of NJ, oh well.

-- Rich (living_in_interesting_times@hotmail.com), November 09, 2001.

Oh dear! The Ghandi thing really killed it. Bleh. Sorry.

-- helen's brow is lower than first reported (waiting@for.godot.was.awful.too), November 09, 2001.

GANDHI???

BWWWAHAHAHAHAHA!

The manly man speaks... (snicker)

rollin' on the floor...

The Dog

-- The Dog (dogdesert@hotmail.com), November 09, 2001.

Rich, Check your e-mail...

Helen, would "Legends of the Fall" been a better choice?

Chewin' on the remote...

The Dog

-- The Dog (dogdesert@hotmail.com), November 10, 2001.

If I were to inflict my taste in entertainment on the innocent unwary, it would have to be "Nightmare Before Christmas". My personal favorite is "Last of the Mohicans", although it is primary for the soundtrack and the costuming -- the men were bare and the women covered to the neck. >;)

-- helen was supposed to be on a fast train today (planning@failure.specialist), November 10, 2001.