Why do we have to allow him here? Would anyone object if Ken just automatically deleted his posts?

-- Shannon at Grateful Acres Animal Sanctuary (gratacres@aol.com), October 28, 2001

Answers

I don't mind a donkey's right to bray (and yes, I do mean the comparison) but I sure as all get out don't find a bit of humor in the name he's chosen. Any cogent individual with sensitivity to fill a salt grain should be able to figure out why.

Henceforth, if I open a post and see his "name" I'll close it without reading it.

-- marilyn (rainbow@ktis.net), October 28, 2001.

I would be eternally grateful if we didn't have to deal with what- ever-that-is!

-- Ardie/WI (ardie54965@hotmail.com), October 28, 2001.

I already voiced my objection to bin jr on another post this afternoon, but I'll repeat it here- by his own admission his objective is to wind people up, so I say let him go somewhere else and play.

-- Elizabeth (ekfla@aol.com), October 28, 2001.

People like him do this kind of thing for the reaction it gets out of people. Sounds like he has already gotten way too much reaction from this forum. I recommend that we just not respond to any of his postings and he will quickly get bored with the lack of reaction and go elsewhere.

-- Colleen (pyramidgreatdanes@erols.com), October 28, 2001.

Censorship of individuals right to speak is a slippery slope that is hard to stop once started.

-- Joe (CactusJoe001@AOL.com), October 28, 2001.

I am sure that I am way out of line here, Joe, but this is a privately maintained forum and I do not think that the right to free speech is an issue, especially when a person's intent is to harass other forum participants, as is bj's BY HIS OWN ADMISSION. But, I'll admit that I am a good deal less tolerant than many others who frequent the forum, and it seems particularly so today- normally I refuse to even read his posts as I know that, for reasons I cannot even begin to fathom, he has some great need/desire for the negative attention he gets in response to his posts.

-- Elizabeth (ekfla@aol.com), October 28, 2001.

Ken - please get rid of the jerk. Please delete his posts. What he's doing is just harrassment, and we don't want it or need it!

-- Cheryl in KS (cherylmccoy@rocketmail.com), October 28, 2001.

Hey but on the other hand all our anger is toward him , so there has been peace on the rest of the forum .Just a thought .Compared to him the rest of us seem like Saints .

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), October 28, 2001.

Well, I haven't been able to figure it out. Someone asks for prayer for thier dying mother and gets deleted but an idiot jerk like bin jr just keeps to keep insulting people and our freedom - his posts get to stay. Come on Ken, do it already!!

-- Karen (db0421@yahoo.com), October 28, 2001.

Ken take that bin jr off of here. send him to be shot,and ran over by trucks. He got a old joke on us and we cant take it.can you deleted him from being a persin?

You people tells jokes so why cant I. I know im bin jr so I need just go out and kill myself. You people are to easy Im leaving. bye to all and may god be with you I love you all yes patty& shannon you two too

-- bin jr (bin@laden.com), October 28, 2001.

Now if only he weren't a lying jelly fish we could throw a party .

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), October 28, 2001.

Ooops ad spinless to that

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), October 28, 2001.

"The degree of tolerance attainable at any moment depends on the strain under which society is maintaining its cohesion." George Bernard Shaw

-- paul (primrose@centex.net), October 28, 2001.

Thank you Paul. As an atheist, it all seems idiotic. Peace is our only security. May it be with you all.

-- Anne (HealthyTouch101@wildmail.com), October 28, 2001.

His posts would not be half as offensive if he would only learn proper grammer and spelling, not to mention typing.

-- AyleeAnn (AyleeAnn@hotmail.com), October 28, 2001.

AyleeAnn has it right. His inability to form a sentance or spell are the most annoying trait. I keep hoping that he will turn up over on Unk's, but so far, no luck.

-- john e. (jemdall@excite.com), October 28, 2001.

Notice how most if not all the people wanting to get rid of jr are women? Is that a statement about gender intolerance in our society? (By the way, about the only way to stop a person from posting on this forum would be to move it to another site that required a sign-on procedure. Do you really want that?)

-- Joe (CactusJoe001@AOL.com), October 29, 2001.

Wow, Joe, gender intolerance--that's quite a leap, don't you think??

-- Shannon at Grateful Acres Animal Sanctuary (gratacres@aol.com), October 29, 2001.

The problem is the offensiveness of his posts. Isn't that why no religious posts are permitted? Seems to me from the responses above that Bin Jr is much more offensive to the forum than religion.

On another note from above:

Joe - maybe so many of the posts are from women because most of the posts on the forum ARE women...LOL.

Paul - I think there is a lot to that quote and fits this occasion. And, Anne - what the heck does being an atheist have to do with that quote??? The quote means that all we can tollerate as people defends on the stress we are under at that particular time -- athesist or christian. Wonder how tolerant the WTC victums are right now???

-- Karen (db0421@yahoo.com), October 29, 2001.

I am not tolerant of IDIOTS has nothing to do with there sex.Just don't get how anyone can stick up for someone that laughs at over 4,000 incent people getting killed and basically shits on everything I value.Our country may not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than most .Love it or leave it !

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), October 29, 2001.

Do you realize what is going on? It sometimes happens at our house! One kid acts up terribly and puts everyone else in a bad mood! Don't let that one bad apple start a chain reaction! The women on this forum don't dislike the guys! The guys still like the women! And the Christians, athiests, and anyone else can be at peace too! Forget the poopy people and just all be friends! Enough in this ole world to be ticked off at without trying to find it among ourselves! United we stand! Remember?!

-- Nan (davidl41@ipa.net), October 29, 2001.

Forgot to add.....what my husband always tells me to do if someone really hurts my feelings or someone else's that I care about a lot.....If you can't change them........RAIN ON EM! Without our reaction he is NOTHING!

-- Nan (davidl41@ipa.net), October 29, 2001.

At the risk of violating my own rules, I just want to second the above that the best way to deal with him is to ignore him. He wants all the hoopla that surrounds his comments. Grit your teeth and refuse to respond to whatever he has to say. He'll soon shut up. I think it's a mistake to delete someone as long as the comments are more or less relevant to homesteading.

-- Katherine in KY (KyKatherine@Yahoo.com), October 29, 2001.

"The person you consider ignorant and insignificant is the one who came from God, that he might learn blessing from grief and knowledge from gloom." Kahil Gibran

-- paul (primrose@centex.net), October 29, 2001.

you guys been saying for weeks that the best way to solve this problem is ignore him. It doesn't seem like many are following through with that.

-- Dave (something@somewhere.com), October 29, 2001.

You are right! No man is insignificant! But when one is doing something ugly why call attention to it! It makes it have some sort of value! If we ignore the comments then we in turn negate them! Ugly comments are just that...comments! Rain on em!

-- Nan (davidl41@ipa.net), October 29, 2001.

If you read these posts carefully it is not just one kid. One of the kids is much more intelligent, thoughtfully writing out complete sentences, the other child or children are very poor at sentence structure, and probably use Word to check their spelling. When we make this place no longer fun for them, they will leave. I can just see them now running home, from their school buses to see what the idiot adults have left for them to play with! The only other premise that makes sense is that this is an adult trying to pretend to come across as an idiot child, with his true self peaking through now and then. Either way its truley not worth the effort, especially giving him his own Thread Title! Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), October 29, 2001.

You guys just let bin jr. have victory, that is with all the bickering amoungst each other. Why is it that you as people can't just ignore his posts, you know it's like the dog won't chase the cat if it doesn't run. Please remember if you take offence to his posts skip them. Let's all act like adults please.

-- Kelle in MT (kvent1729@aol.com), October 29, 2001.

I usually don't respond to the posts about bj, most of the time I don't even read them. But I must say I agree with those who say just ignore him/her. Have any of you ever played games on a site that has chatting with other players, or been in a chat room and had an obnoxious person arrive? Most of those have an option to "ignore" that person. Well, we might not have that button to click on but we certainly can ignore him/her. From my experiences that when someone is bothering you or your group, by ignoring them it takes all their fun away and they soon get bored trying to enlist a response. PEOPLE---JUST IGNORE THE LITTLE FART!!!!! My .02 :-D

-- Kim in Indiana (kwcountrygirl@aol.com), October 29, 2001.

Vicki, I've suspected that he/she/it might be an adult trying to sound like s mentally challenged child too. Whoever or whatever it is has absolutely no respect for his/her/itself and that is rather sad. To use the name of a so-called human being who would mastermind such a horrible mass murder of September 11, shows no self worth at all. Perhaps we should all be praying for he/she/it.

-- Ardie/WI (ardie54965@hotmail.com), October 29, 2001.

Awwww, come on folks. Reading bin jr's posts is funny! The twerp is trying so hard to step on toes that he isn't even trying to hide it. Since I have grandchildren in their teens, I recognize the "symptoms".

Bin jr must be about ten years old, is probably confined to his room because of behavior like he is showing on this forum, and is bored right out of his brain by the enforced solitude. Since he's locked up in his room and can't irritate the people around him, he's using his computer to vent here. The total lack of maturity he shows is glaring.

Hang in there Binny boy! A couple of years more will make a great deal of difference in your attitude and if you're _really_ lucky, you too can be accepted as a member of human society. Meanwhile, until you can grow up a bit, why don't you go study your math or history homework?

-- Carol - in Virginia (carollm@rockbridge.net), October 29, 2001.

I just wanted to comment on the statement by CactusJoe about the people supporting the request for Ken to remove bin jr were preponderantly women and wondered if it was a male/female thing. As I first read his comment, seeing how I am female, my first thought was oh sure, a male chauvinist, but after thinking about it awhile, I don't think he is that far off base. But perhaps from a bit different logic, I agree with him. I think that there are more women than men who will ask someone else to solve their problems, i.e. kind of like the damsel in distress mode, whereas a man will not usually ask for anyone else to solve their problems. Therefore, Shannon looked to Ken to solve the issue by having him remove binjr while the men pretty much said ignore him and he will go away. (I admit, I reacted as the men did because I tend to think more along the lines that a man does than a woman just because of the way I was raised to be independent and make my own decisions) So, I agree that it is more of a woman thing to ask to have binjr removed rather than something a man would do and therefore, the support for doing so followed gender lines. I can't imagine any man would have asked Ken to block him off the list. They just don't like to ask other guys to do things for them. Just a thought.

-- Colleen (pyramidgreatdanes@erols.com), October 29, 2001.

Got to stand by the first amendment here folks, as long as he follows the rules set by this forum, he has as much right to post as the rest of us!!!

Good taste, however, is an optional requirement.

His stuff is no more annoying or distastful as some of the other stuff posted in the past.

-- Annie Miller in SE OH (annie@1st.net), October 29, 2001.

Interesting idea, if juxtaposed with posts from not too long ago regarding Hoot's posts NOT being censored.

btw, I'm not discussing content, just concept...

-- sheepish (WA) (the_original_sheepish@hotmail.com), October 29, 2001.

No comment. And the rest of us would be better off if we adopted the same approach to him and all similar trolls.

-- Don Armstrong (darmst@yahoo.com.au), October 29, 2001.

I have an idea that might get rid of the little weasel that doesn't involve censoring at all.

When posting, you are asked to NOT use a fake email, because it causes problems on the server. When we had a problem previous (I think it was last year, someone juvenile with a potty-mouth) it was made clear that the powers that be here know where the emails are coming from. I would suggest that Ken (or whoever) simply supply us with the real email of this jerk and we can dish back some of his own medicine. Once we know who he is, I have a feeling he'll go away.

-- Tracy (trimmer31@hotmail.com), October 30, 2001.

He is either a naughty child(doesn't really sound like a teenager yet by his diction) or is just a very immature adult wanting attention. If we were to do that he would be getting the attention that he so badly wants. I still say rain on em!(Oh..that is Okie talk for ignore him)

-- Nan (davidl41@ipa.net), October 30, 2001.