I must confess that I never paid much attention to this faith. It was "over there" somewhere. Out of sight, out of mind. I did not hate them, I rarely thought about them.

I have known several Arab-Americans. They were fine fellows. My buddy from Detroit in undergrad school was Syrian-American. He did not like Jews. Beyond that, he was a fine fellow and a helluva poker player. But, come to think of it, he was not Muslim. He was nominally RC.

My grad school professor was an Egyptian by birth. He did not come here until after graduating Cairo U (the "Fighting Sunbirds"?). He too was a fine fellow, hard working, creative and a stereotypical Professor; his desk and office piled high with stacks of papers and pubs. Amazingly, he knew where everything was. He married an American woman who ran her own interior decorating business. They are still married and live in Florida. But, come to think of it, he was not not a practicing Muslim.

The more I hear about Islam, the less impressed I am. There seems to be a lack of tolerance, a need to convert (by force if necessary) and all the the fundie outrages, the treatment of women being only the most egregious. I see nothing equivalent in contemporary Christianity. (I said "contemporary"),

I am still waiting for that vast majority of tolerant Muslims that we constantly hear about to unequivocally condemn what happened (in the name of Islam) on 9/11.

Here is one (of a few) critical analyses that I have seen by a Muslim---

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Wall Street Journal Oct 27, 2001

Islam Can't Escape Blame. My religion has strayed far since its golden age.

BY AMIR TAHERI

"This has nothing to do with Islam," British Prime Minister Tony Blair recently told a delegation of Muslims at a meeting at 10 Downing Street, referring to the Sept. 11 attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Mr. Blair was echoing a view, popular both in Europe and the U.S., that it is impolite, not to say impolitic, to subject Islam to any criticism. Yet to claim that the attacks had nothing to do with Islam amounts to a whitewash. It is not only disingenuous but also a disservice to Muslims, who need to cast a critical glance at the way their faith is taught, lived and practiced.

Even worse, the refusal to subject Islam to rational analysis is a recipe for further fanaticism. Unless we believe those who claim that the Sept. 11 was organized by Israel, we have to assume that Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda were responsible. And since there is no mechanism for excommunication in Islam, bin Laden and his gang have every right to describe themselves as Muslims.

Al Qaeda did not materialize out of thin air. Nor have they been operating in a vacuum. Bin Laden belongs to a prominent Yemeni-Saudi family that makes much of its Islamic credentials. He began his militant career in 1984 as a fund-raiser for Afghans fighting the communist regime in Kabul in the name of Islam. He had offices in a dozen Muslim countries, none of which regarded his activities as un-Islamic.

In 1993 bin Laden was divested of his Saudi passport but was warmly welcomed in Sudan where a fundamentalist regime is in power. Later, bin Laden was the star of an international conference of Muslim fundamentalists organized in Khartoum by the then-strongman Hassan al-Turabi. He was elected a member of the Supreme Council, whose task is to promote a radical brand of Islam throughout the world. That gave him the right to call himself a "sheik" and issue religious fatwas, or edicts. Again, since there is no clerical hierarchy in Islam, there was no reason why bin Laden could not claim such authority.

Once bin Laden was forced to leave Sudan (under U.S. pressure), he was welcomed in his ancestral homeland of Yemen, another Muslim country. From there he went to Pakistan, the world's second most populous Muslim nation, where he was welcomed not only by the army but also by virtually all of Pakistan's Islamic parties, which continue to support him.

From Pakistan, bin Laden shifted to Afghanistan, where the Taliban had established what they claimed to be "the only truly Islamic government." The Taliban continue to shelter bin Laden to this day, even in the face of U.S. attacks. To say that bin Laden has nothing to do with Islam and Muslims, therefore, requires a big leap of imagination.

When pressed hard, some Muslim leaders admit that bin Laden is "part of Islam," but try to minimize his place. Dalil Boubakeur, a French Muslim leader, says that bin Laden does not represent more than 1% of Muslims. Some comfort. That 1% means almost 13 million people.

There is more. All but one of the world's remaining military regimes are in Muslim countries. With the exception of Turkey and Bangladesh, there are no real elections in any Muslim country. Of the current 30 active conflicts in the world no fewer than 28 concern Muslim governments and/or communities. Two-thirds of the world's political prisoners are held in Muslim countries, which also carry out 80% of all executions each year.

Anyone familiar with textbooks in most Muslim countries would know the twisted view of the world they propagate and the hatred they promote. Anyone who follows the media in the Muslim world would know that the verbal version of the Sept. 11 attacks is an almost daily fare. Go to the Internet and check the editorials of virtually any Muslim paper on Sept. 10 and see what they were saying about the West in general and the U.S. in particular. Anyone listening to a sermon in virtually any mosque, including many in the West, would be shocked by the vehemence of the anti-Western, especially anti-American, sentiments expressed.

It is both dishonest and dangerous for Muslims to remain in a state of denial. And yet a state of denial is what we have. When Iran's Khomeinists burned 600 people alive in a cinema, the whitewashers said that it had nothing to do with Islam. When the same gang took the American diplomats hostage in Tehran, again the whitewash party insisted that had nothing to do with Islam. And when the suicide bombings bloodied Beirut we were told that Islam had nothing to do with them.

The Muslim world today is full of bigotry, fanaticism, hypocrisy and plain ignorance--all of which create a breeding ground for criminals like bin Laden. The principal victims of these criminals are Muslims, who are prevented from developing a modern political culture without which they cannot reform their societies and rebuild their economies.

What I am saying is not meant as critique of Islam as a belief system; that's an issue for theologians, and people should be free to believe whatever they like. What is needed is a critique of Islam as an existential reality. The Sept. 11 tragedies should trigger a rethink of the way Muslims live Islam. We should start with condemning those attacks without "ifs" and "buts." Sadly, the way we Muslims live Islam today is a far cry from the way our ancestors lived it in the golden age when Islam was a builder of civilization, not a force for repression, terror and destructio.

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Mr. Taheri, an Iranian author and journalist, is editor of the Paris-based Politique Internationale.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 28, 2001

Answers

Another view, Muslims and Modernity, Slate mag.

-- (lars@indy.net), October 28, 2001.

Militant groups plague Egypt

-- (Abdullah@Bed, Bath.and Beyond), October 28, 2001.

Lars: I spent some time with a Moslem woman who lived across the hall from me in an apartment building in Illinois. I really liked her. She must have converted to Moslem upon marriage, as her father was Roman Catholic. Her dad visited on occasion, and was sent out onto the patio to smoke.

I wish I could remember her name, but we discussed the traditions of her faith, as well as how her husband felt when he saw his young son wear shorts in the summer. She wouldn't harm ANYONE. Her family was her life. I can't say much about her husband. He was the traditional cab driver and left early in the morning to attend prayer sessions somewhere. [As familiar as I felt I was with that neighborhood, I have yet to understand WHERE he went for prayer.]

Anyway, I don't think that Islam is the problem here. I think fundamentalism is the problem here. You might have noticed on another thread that J stated that fundamental Islamists cannot be compared to those who believe in the TRUE God. Well, they feel the same way about him and his beliefs. If moderation ruled, I think we'd all get along a lot better.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 28, 2001.

Islamabad man who was unjustly imprisoned for disciplining his matrimonial property is now free to "preach religion",/a>.

All praise to Allah the beneficient.

-- (Abdullah@mockery.mosque), October 28, 2001.

-- (-@-.-), October 28, 2001.

If moderation ruled, I think we'd all get along a lot better.

Can't disagree with that. Trouble is it doesn't rule, especially in Islamia today. Now what, just sit back and smile while they procede to slaughter?

-- (lars@indy.net), October 28, 2001.

"After having spent over six years in jail, Qari Sharif, who is a Hafiz-i-Quran, is now reportedly preaching religion in association with the Tablighi Jamaat.

Qari Sharif, a prayer-leader at a village Nara Mator mosque in Kahuta, was convicted on the charge of destroying three organs - rectum, urinary bladder and vagina - of his wife's body by placing iron rods in there and passing electricity."

Eeeeeeeew, I like sex games but that's sicko!

-- (Missy@club.X), October 28, 2001.

when will anyone GET IT? BEHIND RELIGION IS A SPIRIT!!!

and it's NOT the HOLY SPIRIT.........

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 28, 2001.