These pussy nations want to sell us their Nokia (Finland) and Ericsson (Sweden) cell phones, their yuppie furniture abd cars but do not have the moral integrity to support us against International terrorism.

This bogus neutrality is not new for Sweden who wouldn't even oppose the Nazis.

I say boycott their products, specifically cell phones. Buy Motorola, they need the business.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 10, 2001

Answers

I do not own Motorola stock

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 10, 2001.

Lars:

Can the Danes and Norwegians be far behind.?

On a more personal note, I have a case on the mantel. It has the watch from my mothers favorite Uncle. He disappeared while working in the underground in one of those countries. A long time ago, but not forgotten. Someone wrote a book titled "The Germans Will Do It Again". I suppose the Scandinavians will too. Nothing ever changes.

Since they aren't important, and don't even own an automobile company any more, I guess we should just ignore them. Still a boycott would be good. :)

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 10, 2001.

I don't usually mind when you make objective unbiased comments Lars, but lately you are showing yourself to be just another ignorant redneck fool.

Maybe these "pussy" nations as you call them, have no interest or reason to participate in our greedy egocentric crusade to dominate the planet. Maybe they aren't as stupid as you and the tyrannical leaders you support. Maybe the NWO is getting a bit too ambitious this time, and their luck is soon going to run out. Maybe these "pussy" nations already know this, and are perfectly content to continue to live as they do.

Maybe they aren't pussies at all, they're just a hell of a lot smarter than stupid gung-ho "patriotic" rednecks.

-- (you are @ blind. fool), October 10, 2001.

Sweden ran an "underground" that opposed the Nazis as much as the Norwegians, Lars. Some folks just choose to express themselves in a more "subtle" way, risking their lives in the process. Personally, I come from a long line of "underground" workers. It isn't what you SAY that counts. It's what you DO.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

No its not that we've been overly ambitious. We took a vote at the last meeting and decided that none of us like Lutefisk so we just haven't put too many assets in Scandanavia yet.

However, Deano made a strong arguement about the Swedish Ski team being sponsored by Budweiser so I'm sure we will reconsider the vote next week!

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 10, 2001.

Anita:

Sweden ran an underground. Give me some data on that one. They were the major supplier of ore to Nazi Germany. I want to see facts or an apology. I lost a lot of relatives in that war. This is no longer a discussion.

Best Wishes,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 10, 2001.

Pussy lover--

Do you even have a clue what happened on Sept 11? Try to be "objective" and "unbiased".

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 10, 2001.

Z: I'm not sure that there IS official date on the underground movements in Sweden. I've learned of these things discussing WWII with family members in Norway.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

Lars: Who is "pussy lover"? I haven't seen anyone post with that handle.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

By-the-by Anita:

I seldom argue with you. Still I have an extensive library on the subject. I want the data you have that I haven't been able to find. I can give you data on iron ore shipments, nickel shipments and all of that stuff.

My family lost a lot of people. We take this subject seriously. I am interested in your data. Not your opinion; not an article from some rag; just data.

Thanks,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 10, 2001.

Z: All I have are memories of discussions with family in Norway. In NO way were either Norway or Sweden [maybe even Finland...I don't know] estranged from WWII as far as the populace. The dictates of their governments are a whole different thing. My family didn't honor the official dictates of Norway, nor did their counterparts in Sweden. Probably NONE of them have found themselves recorded in history books, but *I* feel the pain of the loss of people who fought to smuggle Jews out of Germany. Actually, I feel the pain of the people left behind after their husbands were executed.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

By the way, Z, if you choose to disregard my comments as "hearsay", I'd understand completely.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

Anita:

It reminds me of conversations with a friend who spent the war in Berlin. His remarks dealt with all of the statements by Germans that they had no idea that the concentration camps existed.

His comment was, BULLSHIT; they knew. Same with the folks in the north. They just wanted to make a buck; or, in this case, a mark.

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 10, 2001.

"Neutral Nations Trade Kept Nazi War Machine Going", CNN report June 1998

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 10, 2001.

"Do you even have a clue what happened on Sept 11? Try to be "objective" and "unbiased"."

LMAO!! No Lars, none of us have a clue what happened on Sept. 11!

I suppose you're going to tell us that Finland and Sweden did it??

-- (please enlighten us @ oh. patriotic one), October 10, 2001.

Believe what you choose, Z. I've visited my father's cousin on three occasions now in Bergen and she STILL lost her husband fighting for the underground. Sometimes the only proof one needs is to see the pain in the eyes of the "teller" and hear the stories.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

Lars: I think your link backs up what I said:

Despite the record of economic Nazi succor, the U.S. report said, the neutral nations at the same time helped refugees escape almost certain death in concentration camps where 6 million Jews were exterminated.

Excerpts from Eizenstat's presentation of the report "Our most significant finding..." 224K/21 sec. AIFF or WAV sound

---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- "The Swiss National Bank must have known..." 307K/29 sec. AIFF or WAV sound

---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- "This report makes clear..." 331K/30 sec. AIFF or WAV sound Spain helped 30,000-40,000 refugees; Portugal allowed 5,000 to pass through to America; Sweden saved 7,000 Danish Jews and 20,000-30,000 in Hungary; Turkey helped 100,000 flee; and Argentina accepted 25,000- 45,000 Jews, the most of any Western nation during the war.

The United States accepted only 21,000 Jewish refugees during the war, without significantly raising or even filling quotas.

Some folks just don't wait until their government declares a position to take a position themselves.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

Anita:

It is not a matter of belief; it is a matter of fact. For the record, I am not Jewish. We lost people because these countries supported the Nazi regime. I am near the last of the generation that remembers. Your family stories are nice and probably true, but don't tell the story of nations. These countries have never been brought to account for their actions. It should be done.

Best Wishes,,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 10, 2001.

Lars, certainly you must sell Motorola products.

Anita, being the "tell all" and "resident know it all" I do think you have lost this round. Now go give your black dude a bj like a good nigger lover.

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 10, 2001.

-- "(please enlighten us @ oh. patriotic one)"--

Just as I thought, you don't have a clue.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 10, 2001.

Z: Your family stories apparently conflict with mine, but no one in my family ever tried to justify the acts of his/her government at the time. It may very well be that the official stance in WWII by governments of Sweden, Norway, Finland, etc. led to deaths for YOUR family. Personally, I feel quite powerless to object to the official stance of our government RIGHT NOW. I can see myself moving in an underground fashion to alleviate what injustices *I* see. I don't see another way. Do YOU?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

LMAO!

That's a fucking sissy-ass follow through to the ignorant comments you spew. If you were here I'd crush you to a pulp and show you what pussies the Swedish are, you fucking loudmouth braggard. What makes YOU so macho, you fucking shitbag? HUH?? Your fucking MOUTH?? You wouldn't know your mouth from your asshole if I gave you a taste of some Swedish "pussy"!

-- (bigmouth redneck @ piece of. shit), October 10, 2001.

Anita:

I don't see another way. Do YOU? Sure do. But not with our government [there I do it by voting]. Now those folks in Finland that approve of the terrorists, well, we should do something or anything.

Best Wishes,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 10, 2001.

Lars, certainly you must sell Motorola products.

No, I don't. I formerly had a Motorola Startac cell phone and switched to Nokia's digital. But that was last year. If I were buying now, I'd not buy from a pussy nation.

Z--doesn't Sweden make cars (Volvo, Saab)? I once worked with a down-home hooosier type who insisted on pronouncing "Volvo" as "vulva".

Anita--

Yes it's admirable that Sweden and the other "neutrals" accepted so many Jewish refugees and despicable that the US accepted so few (there must be a story there. Was FDR anti-semitic?).

I still think that Sweden as a nation wussed-out in WWII. Trading with the Nazis? Do you think they were hedging their bets? Isn't Sweden one of those countries that likes to lecture us? They should thank us for saving Europe from the Nazis (maybe they did, how nice). They should support us, at least morally, right now.

What's there game?

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 10, 2001.

bigmouth redneck @ piece of. shit--

You're mommy will wash your mouth out with soap. I was married to a Swede. I know how tasty it is.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 10, 2001.

"They should support us, at least morally, right now."

Moral support? Oh, boo-hoo-hoo, sniff-sniff. Sheesh Lars, I swear you're getting more liberal every day. You sound like those libbies that expect the government to do everything for them, even wipe their butts. Now you want our government to go begging for help from the rest of the world. Might as well just join all the socialists and turn the whole planet into one big happy welfare state. Get some balls guy!

-- libs are idiots (moreinterpretation@ugly.com), October 10, 2001.

Well, Lars, taking your post SERIOUSLY [which is a stretch], you MUST understand that the Vikings left the Scandinavian countries centuries ago, leaving more pacifistic men in their stead. These men have introduced a more pacifistic gene pool in Scandinavia, and recent [recent?] generations of Scandinavians are less prone to get involved in the testosterone-laced wars waged across the earth. Individually, they certainly recognize injustice, but choose to deal with these injustices on an individual level rather than draw attention to themselves.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

"I was married to a Swede."

LOL! Yeah, she probably dumped you because she got sick of listening to a faggot with no balls and a big mouth!

ROTFLMAO!!

-- (you@fucking.faggot), October 10, 2001.

Ya got me. I was married to a Swede guy. Swede's in suede. Oh, oh!

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 10, 2001.

Lars:

Volvo belongs to Ford and Saab belongs to GM. In addition, Land Rover is Ford as is Jaguar. You need to keep up with these things. You probably think that Mazda is a Japanese company. :))

Best Wishes,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 10, 2001.

Anita you worthless piece of human know it all waste. Does it make you feel big to put other people down? Why because you have a college degree? I have my doubts about that. When you stop putting others down and look to your own stupidity maybe I shall take you serious.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 10, 2001.

Anita:

These men have introduced a more pacifistic gene pool in Scandinavia, and recent [recent?] generations of Scandinavians are less prone to get involved in the testosterone-laced wars waged across the earth.

You are saying that men in Scandinavia no longer produce testosteron. Very interesting. They must have some nice breasts, based on the pathway for testosterone production :)))

By the way, what are those pacifist genes. You referenced them so you must know where I can read about them in the scientific literature.

You know that you are digging an even bigger hole; don't you.

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 10, 2001.

Was I digging a hole before, Z?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

And, Z, where, exactly did I suggest that the new "variant" of Scandinavian man was NOT producing testosterone?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

Anita:

Just provide the facts. You might remember that, through the last election, I was not a Bush supporter. I didn't agree with any of his proposed policies. One thing that I agree with on this issue of terrorism: you are with us or you are against us. No neutrality. How many friends did you have die? Nothing more needs to be said on my part.

By the way, I want the references to those pacificist genes. They will be an interesting point of discussion in my genetics course next spring. :)))

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 10, 2001.

Dang, Z! I must get my doctorate out of these genes before I think of turning them over. You understand THAT, I'm sure!

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

Anita, what about the army of Gustavus Adolphus (sp?), kicked butt in the 30 years War. What about the forces of the Swedish king Charles, who fought Peter the Great of Russia. These men, living long after the Viking era, were no creampuffs.

-- Peter Errington (petere7@starpower.net), October 10, 2001.

True story, Peter, but I didn't think most folks would recognize these figures. Do you have anything more recent than the 17th century to indicate Scandinavian agressiveness? Four centuries is a very long time when a culture is immoral and reproduces at the rate of the drosophila. [Joke there.]

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 10, 2001.

Anita,

In the South, there were some who worked with the Underground Railroad and others who secretly helped the North when the Civil War broke out. Can I use these (relatively few) people to "prove" that the Confederacy was a hotbed of noveau renaissance enlightment? :)

(I think you see my point.)

And just for kicks and giggles, I've quite famliar with the Vasa line of Sweden, particularly the exploits of Gustav II Adolph during the 30 Year War. (His lieutenants, especially Axel Oxenstierna, don't usually get the credit they deserve for THEIR part, but that's an aside ...)

Oh, how the mighty have fallen; the country that helped create the modern art of warfare is now a nation of wusses.

(Hey, at least Sweden has a beautiful royal family, unlike most European nobility. Sandy even favors Crown Princess Victoria if you scroonch your eyes in the right light, so maybe I should cut them some slack. Here goes:)

In WWII, maybe Sweden cooperated with the Nazis as part of an secret agreement to remain free. Whatever the precise reason, Z is correct: Sweden *did* supply raw materials to the Third Reich.

Norway at least tried to resist the Nazis: it was conquered and had a Nazi-compliant regime installed under Quisling.

Finland is the real surprise. Sweden is a bunch of wusses nowdays, but I honestly don't know what's gotten into the Finns here. Both Finland and Norway have great warrior traditions that continue to this day.

Now: I personally think that the past is the past. Wars tend to be crazy times in which people do what they have to do in order to survive and/or win. (Witness our cozying up to Russia, even though Stalin and Hitler had earlier signed a non-agression pact, and had dismembered Poland like a box lunch amongst dogs.)

Now is now, though, and I'll tell you this: I personally refuse to buy any product from Sweden or Finland until they get their minds right. Further, I will encourage others to do the same.

Given a world in which terrorists have demonstrated that they are willing to kill masses of innocent civilians, especially given that those terrorists are on the verge of obtaining weapons of mass destruction, Bush is right: you CAN'T sit this one out. You're either for us or agin' us.

-- Stephen M. Poole (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), October 11, 2001.

Anita,

Re: your question to Peter. Finland taught the Russians that trying to occupy its soil was a BAD idea not too many years ago ...

I realize you're specifically asking about Scandinavia (which is why I touched on Norway), but it would behoove you to look at the Swiss (who are of the same general stock) as well.

No one, not even the Nazis, has DARED mess with them in too many years to count. People say the Afghanistani people are tough. I'll put the Swiss up against 'em anytime. :)

(Especially seeing as how they make great chocolate.)

(See, Z? You're not the ONLY one who thinks of food ...)

-- Stephen M. Poole (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), October 11, 2001.