LN - Thank you.  Same-same Kelly and the rest of you that commented and supported me so kindly during this "flame war" Maria began with me.

Maria - You are a sad, sad example of an "American". You started this crap with this:

"ZZZZZ you sound like Phil Donahue...(your patronizing banter leaves me feeling putrid) -- Maria (anon@ymous.com), October 02, 2001. "

When I pointed out to you that I thought I had a right to disagree, since both I and my son may find ourselves actually fighting this next war, Your Brilliance came up with this:

"You're making lots of assumption about what I think on the war. But make no assumptions on this one; I don't give a shit about you or what you think or your stupid son. Thanks for your time. -- Maria (anon@ymous.com), October 02, 2001"

Then, you proceeded to attack not just me, but every American and past and present veteran in this entire country with this really brilliant post:

"I know for a fact that an Army paratrooper doesn't require any intelligence. The criteria for paratroopers do not include even decent grades or a college education. So, I'll guess that our little vet here has a lower than average intellect. -- Maria (anon@ymous.com), October 02, 2001."

You're obviously way too psychotic to let this whole matter just drop - you continued to dredge thru the old posts and came up with my [stated] past experience as an RN and tried to use that to infer that I can't be "telling the truth" about having served (volunteered actually) in both Viet Nam and Desert Storm.  Then you go and post that to another thread altogether.

Okay - I've had quite enough of you, Maria, and I'm going to clarify a few things, for you and some of the other regulars here.  I would do this privately, via email, but you're too chickenshit to post a real email address (tho I'm sure somebody here has one on you and will share that with me soon enough), so I'll just do it right here.

I've been posting here on Unc's for about three weeks now.  I'd never heard of this place before then, and I'm not one of the "old Y2K" regulars.

I had sent a semi-personal email to my little brother (and a few other close friends) in the midst of the WTC/Pentagon attacks.  He liked it, apparently, and asked me if I would mind if he shared it with a "few people", and I said "Sure, no problem".  I had NO idea that he was going to post it here at Unc's, but that's what he did, the little shit.

My little brother goes by the name Bemused (and_amazed@you.people) (and I'm sure he's cringing and cussing now that I've 'linked' myself to him, and will never want to post under that moniker again - sorry little brother).  My original "posted" email is still in the forum archives here.   Maria - you can also find my email address there, if you have the guts to ever use it - feel free.

I mention this only because Maria (and a few others) have as much as called me an outright liar, and it's the only "proof" I have (or should need) of my claims.   Maybe you'll take the word of an old "regular" here, if you won't take mine.

Little Nipper - you are exactly right. I enlisted and "volunteered" to go to Viet Nam right after I graduated from HS.  I was only 17 when I graduated and enlisted; and I was sent, by the Army, to Ranger Training partly (it's strictly volunteer, too) to pass the time until I turned 18, since you can't serve in a combat zone as a "minor".

And Maria: trust me or do your own research - the Army's Ranger School is the hardest school to get into (and pass) in the entire Army, it's generally held - and you have to score in the 98%+ percentile on all the military entrance exams, and be in supremely excellent physical condition, to even qualify to try for a rare and precious slot in that school.  It's considered one of the greatest honors in the Army to earn and wear the Ranger Tab.  FYI: Colin Powell also wears it, as do all the highest Army brass.  And, also, Maria; you have to first qualify and pass the Army's Airborne (Parachutist) School before you can even apply for Ranger School - and "Jump School" is no gimme either, let me tell ya.

Anyway - Viet Nam kicked my ass, and I won't deny it.  And coming home, so proud, in my Army uniform - only to be spit on, attacked and shunned by good "patriotic American's" just like you, Maria, kicked it even harder.

At the ripe old age of 20 (too young to even buy a beer or vote yet) I got out of the service and went to college on the GI Bill.  And following that I spent several years working as an RN in surgery (exclusively) in our Regional Trauma Center - becaused I liked the mental challenges and the intensity of the job, and also because I wanted to try my hand at healing people, instead of killing them. I guess you might even call it an attempt to heal myself.

A friend of mine eventually (it took a few years) talked me into going back into an Army Reserve unit here.  They wanted me to be an RN there, too (that's a college degree'd "Officer" rank position, Maria) but I didn't want to do, on drills, what I already did at work in my civilian job, and I'd always been a "combat arms" soldier, so I took the only other choice in this locality - we had an Armor unit here (tanks) and I became a tanker.  I became a very good tanker, in fact.  I'm a Master Gunner (the highest qualification you can get in Armor) and outshot and outfought every "active duty" tanker I competed against in annual training every year - and they put us up against the very best Tankers in the Army All Armor Competition at Graefenwohr, Germany every year.  I had the highest qualification scores as a Tank Commander for two years running just before Desert Storm began.

When Desert Storm came around my Reserve unit was not called up - but I personally requested (volunteered) to be put back on Active Duty (Federalized) and sent to the Gulf War with a combat Armor unit - since it was a "tank war" and they needed as many good, experienced men as they could get; and they took me (I got the call on a Friday that I had two days to say goodbye to my family and report to Ft Knox, KY for assignment to an armor unit in the Gulf that following Monday).

Maria, let me tell you just one little part of that whole experience.  A very few close friends of mine from my armor unit were also granted active duty volunteer requests (we were a "crew" together).  We went together to Ft Knox to get our gear issued and to be given our unit assignments to the Gulf.  In one of the initial breifings my friends and I asked "Will we be assigned together when we get to Saudi Arabia? We've crewed together for years and know each other so well, and work together as a team so well..." and we were told (and this is as near verbatum as I can be) "You guys are casualty replacements...when you get there here's what's going to happen: somebody will point to a "battle damaged" M1A1 Abrams tank that welders will be busy welding metal plates over the holes in, and you will be told to get in, scrape the brains and blood and charred body parts of your "predecessors" out of the turret, get your vehicle and yourselves ready, and get it back into action as soon as possible."

Now, Maria, I'd appreciate it if you would just lay off.  I'm asking nicely.   Just once.

If you should choose not to, I'm going to take your own words of total disrespect for me, as a soldier - and of disrespect for EVERY American soldier - and I'm going to post them (with your email, phone and home address) to the internet in every place I know of that "vets" and soldiers visit.   Let's just see you defend those words to thousands (or tens of thousands) of American vets and soldiers, or even try.

I will find out your email address and your HOME address and your home phone number, and let all of them "have at you".  Do you understand?   If you don't think I can, or that I won't, just try me, lady...you'll never regret messing with anybody as much in your entire life as you'll regret messing with me now, I promise you.  I do not want to hear another word from you ever again, in this matter.

You have been warned.  You stepped over the line, Maria, WAY over the line, and   it's time to back up and back down, or you'll be wishing to God you had, soon enough.

The rest of you: I don't expect anything from you, personally.  But I will ask that you don't stoop to Maria's pathetic level and demean and belittle the incredible sacrifices of those that serve you so selflessly in this dangerous world.  Not if you expect them to continue to.

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001

Answers

I am dissapointed at Maria, to harrass a fellow servicemember to such a degree. I remember when I came home and told people I had been in the service.....the reactions are something I will never forget, or forgive.

-- Cherri (jessam6@home.com), October 03, 2001.

"In times of war and not before, God and soldier men adore. But in times of peace with all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier slighted."

Cherri, I was unaware that you, too, were a veteran. For what it's worth, you have my sincere thanks. Well done, "buddy"... ;-)

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

how could anyone[in there right mind] dis, a vet?????

but, i,m not suprised.

so many cowards hiding behind the ''peace flag''

but they sure want somebody else to protect them!!!

-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 03, 2001.

ZZZZZZZZZZZ, I joined during Viet-Nam. Being female, it was a little rough on me, but I didn't let that stop me. *smile*

In case you were not aware, Maria was in the military too, that is why I was so surprised (ands dismayed) to read what she wrote to you and your son.

-- Cherri (jessam6@home.com), October 03, 2001.

Well Zzzzz, I just figured that you were another handle-morpher when I first read you, it is nice to see a fresh voice. Welcome.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

Since we're bringing up past posts, here's a sample of your wonderful prose:

Boz, Socrates, Will: Have any of you buttwipes ever served a single day in uniform? Are any of you planning to? I'm just wondering. Somehow I very much doubt it...typical pseudo-patriotic pud-pounder wannabe's...

Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 01, 2001.

But I have the distinct feeling that you did not serve on land, or anywhere near any real fighting - but most likely in some nice comfy little boat somewhere WAY off shore, if you were ever there at all. People that were "on the dirt" over there DO NOT talk the crap you talk, "sailor". You're a REMF, if ever there was one, I'll bet. And if you're not, you ought to have more sense. You're either dumber than a box of rocks and nothing from your experiences, or you're on the fast track with Alzheimer's, pal. You of all people should be warning these kids who have never known a real war in their entire lives just what a war without clear objectives and goals always turns into. And if you'd like to write to me about this personally, please feel free, Rambo... cyberscribe@chartermi.net

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 01, 2001.

Why don't you give me your "real" email address, braun for brains mano?

Eh? I thought not...

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 02, 2001.

And I'm tired of listening to idiots like you talk pure, 100% shit.

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 02, 2001.

Some of you people really need to get a grip on your childish, spoiled brat addictions to "instant gratification". Maybe even realize: nobody owes you one fucking thing, in that regard, hey?

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 01, 2001.

I strongly advise you: Don't even go there with me; don't even think about it...I will eat your armchair fucking hero lunch. You'll have a lot more fun messing with a pissed off pit bull, believe me.

What you need to be thinking about is calming your lust for instant (blood) gratification here, and hunkering down for the long haul.

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 01, 2001.

Then after I wrote the statement that you quoted above you wrote:

My "patronizing banter leaves you feeling putrid"? Ohhhhh, geeeee, you pooooor little thing! I'm sooooo sorry! Please forgive me! I guess I shouldn't be the least little bit concerned that both my seventeen year old (ROTC cadet) son and I might soon both be fighting and possibly dying for your selfish, childish fucking stupidity. That's what really frosts my ass, dear - you dumb fucks (and all your ilk) just ain't worth it, my "safe and comfy at home" little cupcake...you just aren't.

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 02, 2001.

One little response from me got you pretty worked up. After you badger everyone else on this forum, speaking your free speech, you can't stand someone calling you a Phil Donahue. Too bad ZZZZ, sorry about your attitude but I think it sucks and I speak my mind.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), October 03, 2001.

I will find out your email address and your HOME address and your home phone number, and let all of them "have at you". Do you understand? If you don't think I can, or that I won't, just try me, lady...you'll never regret messing with anybody as much in your entire life as you'll regret messing with me now, I promise you. I do not want to hear another word from you ever again, in this matter.

bully \Bul"ly\, n.; pl. Bullies. [Cf. LG. bullerjaan, bullerb["a]k, bullerbrook, a blusterer, D. bulderaar a bluster, bulderen to bluster; prob. of imitative origin; or cf. MHG. buole lover, G. buhle.] 1. A noisy, blustering fellow, more insolent than courageous; one who is threatening and quarrelsome; an insolent, tyrannical fellow.

-- the (shoe@fits.com), October 03, 2001.

BTW cherri, this quote was to a follow vet. Nice huh?

"People that were "on the dirt" over there DO NOT talk the crap you talk, "sailor". You're a REMF, if ever there was one, I'll bet. And if you're not, you ought to have more sense. You're either dumber than a box of rocks and nothing from your experiences, or you're on the fast track with Alzheimer's, pal."

That's when I felt putrid.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), October 03, 2001.

That's fellow vet.

One other thing ZZZZ, if you don't give a "flying fuck" (your words) about me why bother with this thread?

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), October 03, 2001.

Maria, it's pretty obvious the last anonymous poster, "the shoe fits" is you. Everytime someone gets your number in one of these arguments, from out of nowhere come the anonytrolls accusing the targets of your attacks of bullying, slander, etc. This persecution complex of yours is really quite predictable.

-- Lay Down (on@the.couch), October 03, 2001.

Zzzzz - Just remember Maria likes getting fucked up the ass just like all her butt fucking repug buddies. (They lust for Clinton's cock but have accepted dumbya's as their second choice)

I hope your not a repug Zzzzz. If you are a Tank Commander then you gotta remember that dumbya went AWOL for a while. Fucking repugs suck.

-- Tony Baloney (Fuck the@repugs.com), October 03, 2001.

Heh, nope, this anonymous troll is not Maria.

This ZZZZ dude is a psychotic chest beating sociopath. Repetative spamming posts. Quite scary.

-- the (shoe@fits.com), October 03, 2001.

Hi Zzzzz,

You can't possibly know this, but I have a little history of being flamed myself. As someone with a few "bruises", let me help you through this.

It's obvious you love your country and have given a piece of your soul to the U.S. - so has Maria and others here at Unk's. I thank you all for that because I consider the U.S. home. However, because we have different experiences, we have different ideas about things. Right now you're angry and want to take this into real life with her because she has taken this into real life with you. Your brother is reading this argument and that makes it very personal. As far as I'm concerned, that makes your anger understandable and justified. However, I'm sure if he wasn't reading it, you would be very angry, but you could let it roll off a lot easier.

You might be able to find out what her real name, address, and phone number is, but that's not going to give you a lot of satisfaction. Oh, I'm sure it will for a moment, but you're going to find a lot of people on the Internet that will piss you off royal, and you can't spend your time trying to force them to think differently. (Well, maybe you can, but that would be a waste of time.) Instead of looking at the situation as you are right now, consider this - people here are judged by their words. People form opinions about you and Maria, and ideas discussed here, based on what you type. But, they're just that - ideas. People show their character in their words, and unless they're doing something immoral or illegal, you have to learn to let it go. (Even if it is, there's not much you can do about it except spam ;o)

I don't know who Bemused is, but he should have warned you Maria can get cranky. Maria is a "polly" from the old days, and has had to put up with more than her share of bullies. I suspect she's just dishing out what someone dished to her. I'm asking you both to please let this go for now. I imagine everyone back home has short fuses right now (understandably so), so why don't you two salute and resume this conversation in a couple of days?

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

Hold on…wait a minute! What’s with this peace and love crap? Aren’t we supposed to be pissed off right now? This isn’t the time for kissy facing and candle waving. We should be venting our spleens at anybody who dares oppose our patriotic stand. Get with the program people!!

Hey Zzzzz, what’s with this ‘Asleep at the wheel’ bit. In the 70’s I used to run with that group in Northern California. Do you have a connection? Or are you just referring to your Ranger training?

-- So (cr@t.es), October 03, 2001.

Lovely Lady, this way to my cock.

-- (Mr@Polly.yahoo), October 03, 2001.

anybody who dares oppose our patriotic stand.

I haven't read anywhere where Zzzz said anything unpatriotic. He is questioning the reasoning behind what he views as a knee-jerk response...not much unlike a few "pollys" I once knew. How dare someone oppose that! Come on, Socrates, in your red, white, and blue blood, I think you're missing the fact that he hasn't said he doesn't support the President. He has said he doesn't relish the fact that he and his son might have to go to war, and killing innocent people is murder. Why paint him with that brush?

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

Laura my dear, you don’t appear to be a quick as you were before. That was a tongue-in- cheek post if ever there was. Good to see you back!

-- So (cr@t.es), October 03, 2001.

Sorry, Socrates. I haven't read your previous posts so I didn't know how you felt about the subject. I only made it a point to read the one's involving Maria and Zzzz because Zzzz is so upset.

Thanks! It feels great to be back!

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

Well, I guess I owe ya all an apology for wasting a perfectly good topic slot with this whining crap of mine.

Many of you have written to me with all sorts of really good advice (and info - and thanks all, for the scoop on Maria; I now know more about her than I ever wanted to know, but it was sincerely appreciated).

The advice has mostly been "Don't be so thin skinned, it's just Unc's, after all, and we DO that there", and I can see I have been too touchy. In typical "shoot your mouth off before you check it out" fashion I blasted away blindly at a few folks here. I had no idea that both Cherri and Maria were veterans, for instance. And it just illustrates the diversity of political views among vet's, since these two "seem" to be at opposite ends of the spectrum, and yet they have both sacrificed for the greater good of us all, and still manage to speak semi-civilly to each other here at Unc's.

A few of you have taken the opportunity to open private dialogs with me via email, and have pointed out that you may have said this-or-that more "harshly" that you might have normally, just because this whole terrorist thing has put you in a particularly bad mood, lately. It's done the same to me, too, and when somebody touches an old nerve I have tended to 'go off' all out of proportion to the situation, I guess.

Maria - I'm sorry. I did yank your chain. My derogatory digs at your gender (cupcake, honey bun, sweet cakes, etc...) were childish, unjust and intentionally provocative. While I would probably not have taken your service related remarks without some comment had you never been in the service - I will respect your right to express your opinions on that as you wish, knowing now that you were. I'm not sure I can explain why that makes a difference to me, but it does. It's much like the comments between Socrates and I, which you correctly pointed out, and which I'll try to make amends for, as well.

I've really enjoyed the give and take, and the never ending shootouts, here at Unc's. It's a fine forum, and many of you people are several orders of magnitude brighter than I am, I suspect, and have offered me many, many perspectives well worth my consideration, and I appreciate it.

I'll leave it at that, and go back to my regularly scheduled activities of collecting belly button lint, contemplating the meaning of life, and digesting all manner of things.

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

Zzzz, I wouldn't worry too much about Maria and her multiple personalities. She's a desperately unhappy person who uses this board to vent her spleen. She seems to pick one or two people every few weeks to attempt to provoke in whatever way she can, whether through distortion, insults, or outright lies. This time it's your turn. I wish I could say that if you ignore it it will go away, but her particular mental illness seems to be more about expression of inner turmoil than attention. In the meantime, just be aware that the vast majority of the regulars who post here appreciate and respect military service and welcome you. BTW- say hello to Bemused for me.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), October 03, 2001.

You're welcome. Same back at you for all your genuine service. I know your ilk.

-- Little Nipper (canis@minor.net), October 03, 2001.

Socrates -

I'm not sure what the northern California Asleep at the Wheel group thing is about - tell me more. I actually kinda pulled the moniker out of my butt on the fly - but it does have some deeper personal significance that I won't go into here, just not, apparently, what you're referring to, whatever that may be.

Little Nipper -

You may know my ilk, but have you seen my mufti yet? No? Great...come with me and I'll show it to ya ;-)

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

Ilk again. I'm sick of that word. Please use the French spelling, it softens the tone. Ilque.

Welcome to Unk's, Zzzzz.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 03, 2001.

-- (-@-.-), October 03, 2001.

Here is a statement from Veteran, the on-line publication of the "Viet Nam Veteran's Association". This was their August/Sept issue (their latest issue) and they obviously did not have time to compose a comprehensive reaction to the 9/11/01 attack.

In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, The VVA Veteran was unable to get press time and had to be delayed. We share our prayers and concern for those who were lost and their families. This tragedy has forced all of us to confront the reality of the world we live in and the nature of those who would do us harm. We are proud to be Americans and stand with our nation as we prepare for action in response to this act of terrorism. Regardless of what action is taken, we will support our troops and provide them with whatever assistance we can.

-Tom Corey, President

LINK

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 03, 2001.

And Zzzzz, what jungle would be complete without it’s very own ape- man? This one, by his own admission has been operating too long without a net. Various falls from lofty heights have occasionally caused him to have a distorted slant on reality. But, like the rest of us he normally brings good dialog to the table.

It’s a band dude: www.asleepatthewheel.com

-- So (cr@t.es), October 03, 2001.

While I would probably not have taken your service related remarks without some comment had you never been in the service - I will respect your right to express your opinions on that as you wish, knowing now that you were.

I'm not sure I can explain why that makes a difference to me, but it does.

This I have found to be true myself, and do not completly understand either.... but it exists.

Like I said at the bottom of the thread this one was continued from;

It appears we have moved through some of the stages of grief, Disbelief, questioning why, anger.......

Even though most of America does not realize it, this tragidy has had an extremely profound effect on us all, and the Nation as a whole is suffering from "post tramatic stress syndrome" to one degree or another. Some much more, such as Tarzan who experienced it first hand, the rest through viewing it (most over and over again through the media)

-- Cherri (jessam6@home.com), October 03, 2001.

Zzzzz, spoken like a true soldier. Sir, you wear the uniform well...your son is very lucky to have had you as his role model for what it means to serve our country.

In spite of Maria's belief that I am a poster formerly known as Hardliner, I am not. I'm just someone whose family members have given their lives in service to this country, and I took extreme offense at her disparaging remarks towards you and your son. I will aspire to achieve your level of courage and dignity in your apology to Maria. You make me proud.

-- I'll never (forget@troll.maria), October 03, 2001.

agree to disagree?? respect for others??? SEEing beyond someones'reason for thinking.

''never walked in his/her shoes.

''we wrestle NOT, against flesh & blood''
-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 03, 2001.

ZZZZZ your gracious apology is accepted and I too apologize for my remarks. With that I bid Adieu.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), October 03, 2001.

I join some others in welcoming you here, Zzzzz. Personally, I can't imagine how I'd feel had I just discovered this forum three weeks ago. My immediate response would probably be that these people were insane. Since I'm ONE of these people, I'd probably confess to the insanity, but also suggest that it's quite a fun place to share insane thoughts. After a while, you'll stop expending energy on folks intent on disagreement and utilize the "back" arrow.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 03, 2001.

Hmmm, It appears to me that those who have served this country are not afraid to apologize, something that seems to be related to the standards we gained by serving.

*smile* I'm kinda proud of everyone for moving beyond their (our) emotional (human) (kinda) knee jerk reactions.

That which we carry within us, in the end, emergess and takes control.

-- Cherri (jessam6@home.com), October 03, 2001.

I join some others in welcoming you here, Zzzzz. Personally, I can't imagine how I'd feel had I just discovered this forum three weeks ago. My immediate response would probably be that these people were insane....

I wouldn't go that far.... In most cases. I probably should have emailed you a list of one-paragraph descriptions of all the posters here, Zzzzz, kind of like a rogues gallery. I think I have a pretty good handle on everyone. Even the ones I consider mean-spirited wack- jobs can be funny and lucid at times.

I couldn't believe this place when I found it (thus my handle.) I'd like to see a lot of the old posters from the Y2K wars make a comeback, the present situation we find ourselves in is right up their alley.

(I don't think we should tell Zzzzz about ezboard yet, let's give him time to get in the groove here. :^)

-- Bemused (and_amazed@you.people), October 03, 2001.

Apparently, Mutha and Superpolly won't be back. In WTC, now missing.

-- some (missing@this.time), October 03, 2001.

Maria is a coward, zzzz IS still asleep at the wheel and the rest of you are Insane. Oh how I love this group. Insanity IS fun try it you will all enjoy it. I have. And I have just began. BWAHHHHAAAAHAAHHAHHHAAAAA

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

Maria is a coward, zzzz IS still asleep at the wheel and the rest of you are Insane. Oh how I love this group. Insanity IS fun try it you will all enjoy it. I have. And I have just began. BWWWAAHHHAHAHHA

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

I don't think we should tell Zzzzz about ezboard yet, let's give him time to get in the groove here.

If you're referencing TB2k, they've moved to infopoop...I mean infopop.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 03, 2001.

Spam time

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

I guess everyone knows Hawk is imitating me again, right?

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

Hawk is just one of your personas. Quit talking to yourself. Har har.

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 03, 2001.

"Jack" you're an idiot AND a coward.

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

Truth hurts does it?

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 03, 2001.

You're right. I'm Hawk, Mr. Polly, cpr, Super Polly, Maria, Zzzzz, Bemused, Socrates, Aunt Bee, Dog, Cherri, eve, Unk, Tarzan, helen, and every other handle here. I even post as Jack Booted Thug on ocassion!

(Oooooo, you're SO smart.)

(chuckle)

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

Dog gone it, I forgot to mention I'm also Diane, Old Git, lisa, Ed, Gary, Steve Heller, gene, DD1st Light, hardliner, semper, Greybear, Robert Cook, Brooke, and kritter. (No disrespect intended, kritter.)

Now, tell us again what your name was before Y2k?

Silence as always, just like a coward.

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

Maria, what did you do to Tarzan the dickhead?

-- KoFE (your@town.USSA), October 03, 2001.

jack has a crush on laura ***yawn***

-- (cin@cin.cin), October 03, 2001.

Not a thing, KoFE. I've just been the target of her pathology before.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), October 03, 2001.

Thanks, cin. I suspected that all along.

Did I ever tell you your manx looks a lot like my beloved T.C.?

Black and White kittys seem to be special.

I love them all.

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 03, 2001.

What a bunch of idoits. Are you really to stupid to see what she is up too? she is going to bring down this board and start anotbher. we have all been played. NONE here is real. Nope not a one.

-- (IN@the.shadows), October 03, 2001.

Thanks, Maria. That does mean a lot to me, honestly. That I neither expected it, nor felt I really deserved it (your apology) makes it all the more appreciated. Please feel free to blast away at me from here on out without fear of that sort of response being directed at you again, by me. I truly feel ashamed of those remarks.

This has got to be one of the must frustrating times I've ever experienced in my life. One day I feel one way, the next another - but thru it all runs this bitter, acidic grief and outrage over these terrorist attacks. My threats against you, Maria, took the shape of my unspoken feelings toward the people that did this to us. I want to hunt them down and make their final days a living hell beond their imagination. But I don't want to get lost in and consumed by these feelings of impotent rage, and it's like they've managed to brand it right onto my soul, and I deeply resent that, as well.

As I read thru these postings I can see that the former distinctions between vet's and non-vet's (civilians) has lost most of it's former meaning, significance, and clarity, now. We are all vet's now, every single one of us. Our own soil has become the battleground, and we are all either combatants, or casualties. We've been bloodied and wounded, and some of us are gone forever, and we can't forget...we won't ever forget.

Cherri is exactly right: we all suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome. I was told that the only cure for that (retribution is another matter) is to haul it out into the light of day and share it with those that will listen, and let them help take some of the grief and pain when it becomes too much to bear alone. Rather than letting it remain bottled up inside, to ferment, let the grief free to follow it's natural cycle and do it's work, and heal us. I think that's exactly what's going on here, and everywhere. And that's a very good thing.

Getting through today in one piece, mentally, physically and emotionally, and then through tomorrow, and the day after that...and not losing your humanity somewhere along the way...that's reality and that's life, and while that's not always as easy as it sounds, we can do it. We always have, and I'm sure we will now.

Thanks to all of you, for doing your part...

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

No, no, Laura your the smart internet detective, remember? How's your family? Been to see them lately?

And what about your friend Cin? Should she be posting in an internet chatroom? Is this a good priority for her? **Major eyeroll** BTW you forgot Flint, Poole, Ra, Dennis, Conumer, etc. etc. etc. Is it true that only the Shadow knows?

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 03, 2001.

You forgot the King of Spain. How could you forget him?

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 03, 2001.

Zzzzz,

It appears that by trashing Maria you have awoken LL. It may take awhile to live this one down.

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 03, 2001.

Zzzzz, welcome to Unk's.

-- helen (interesting@times.ahead), October 03, 2001.

Zzzzz...do you like mud?

-- helen (KOS@is.missing), October 03, 2001.

helen -

mud?

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

helen,

LOL.

Zzzzz, it's an inside joke. I'm sure that helen will let you in on it. I would, but I don't want to steal her thunder.

-- J (Y2J@home.comm), October 03, 2001.

One had not arrived at full womanhood until the King of Spain asked one to mud wrestle...I miss him...sort of...

-- helen (the@other.bat.mitzvah), October 03, 2001.

Hey, J! When was the last time YOU got invited to mud wrestle?

-- helen (looking@for.a.clean.muddy.spot), October 03, 2001.

Like mud as in: Multi User Dungeons? Or mud as in: what gets slung a lot around here? Or mud as in: that wonderful stuff kids apply to their bodies to "get their minerals"?

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

The King of Spain?

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

I'm not at all sure I want to arrive at full womanhood, helen ;-)

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

Once upon a time there was this guy calling himself the King of Spain. At least, we hope it was a guy. You never know on the internet.

Anyway, this guy started asking women to mud wrestle...and after a while it was very important to have been asked.

Then, when the world didn't resort to cannabalism after 1-1-00, KOS disappeared. And I had the mud puddle ready, solar heated, extra slimy, just like he said.

So I'm wandering the net looking for the lost king. And the mud is drying out.

(J, you wanna mud wrestle?)

-- helen (do@YOU.wrestle), October 03, 2001.

I suspect it might be a damn sight more involved (and painful) than just wrestling some King. Do I have to? If he comes around again can I just take a rain check on it, or something?

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

No, no, NO! We're looking for a replacement king. KOS could put together a coherent sentence when he wasn't being nasty. We need a replacement king preferably at half price. And we could warm pudding for the right guy.

-- helen (finding@head.of.state.so.to.speak), October 03, 2001.

Why was it important to have been asked, or significant not to have been asked? How did this King make this debauchery seem to be so compellingly important to these short of full women?

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

Gosh...this is soooo difficult.

See, last time we were all gonna die in the y2k aftermath thingy. It was very important that some man (we hope he was a man, at least I do) somewhere still wanted to mud wrestle, just like in normal times. Get it?

So NOW we're all gonna die in the terrorist war thingy. See any parallels? Prolly not. That's ok. JBT doesn't understand anything I say either. The only thing you really need to know is, do you like mud?

(JBT, do YOU mud wrestle?)

-- helen (jello@would.work), October 03, 2001.

Oh, well, heck yeah! Had you not first mentioned paying me for the privilage I would have surely eventually asked you how much it might cost me to obtain such women to roll around in the mud with, myself...

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

Warm pudding? Long live the King!

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 03, 2001.

OK, wait. There can be only one king...

-- helen (wait@minute.now), October 03, 2001.

helen,

I would very much like to mud wrestle... I just can't seem to convince my wife. : (

As far as your invitation to mud wrestle, I am afraid that I will have to pass; what, with the wife and all. : )

-- J (Y2J@home.comm), October 03, 2001.

I'm not Spanish, tho. Do you think it matters?

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 03, 2001.

Oh, well. It was a dumb idea. Can't resurrect the past. Forget I said anything.

-- helen heads for the tub (wash@that.king.right.outa.my.hair), October 03, 2001.

Well, thanks a whole lot, helen! Ya go getting me all interested and then ya just close the old mud puddle down and go off mourning some lost King. I'll tell ya, this place just gets stranger by the day...

Now it's suddenly become important to me that some not yet full women ask me to mud wrestle with them. I'll never be the same again...

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 04, 2001.

Zzzzz,

First you should probably ask about the goats. After that get some clarification of the mule's role in this activity.

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 04, 2001.

No kidding?! Funny that word of this King has not already spread to my realm, with an act like that. I don't think the goats and mules hold much appeal for me, really. What about the liklihood of a few sheep, or hamsters tightly wrapped up in duct tape?

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 04, 2001.

Helen, you want to handle that one?

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 04, 2001.

Kinda makes you wonder just what might have actually happened to this lost King, doesn't it?

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 04, 2001.

Reading the end of this thread makes me soooooo nostalgic for Y2K! Where have all the good handles gone?

-- E.H.Porter (just.wondering@about.it), October 04, 2001.

They are still around E.H. but have morphed into others.

-- Ra (tion@l.1), October 04, 2001.

Ra -- think so? I've read a lot of posts (usually irate) claiming that someone was really another old poster -- Hawk, or someone like that (an example only -- I just happen to remember Hawk for his "MD- 80's, like giant raindrops from the sky fall" theory).

But has it ever been established that some of the old crowd are alive, well and posting under new handles? Like, what happened to "Shakey in the bunker at 40 feet below"? Any evidence that he is still with us?

-- E.H.Porter (just.wondering@about.it), October 04, 2001.

"As for me, I shall finish the game."

Thanks EH I had forgotten that one.

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 04, 2001.

You can find 'Shakey' at Olson's Nut House, where else?

-- Dennis ('need@baby'.Olson), October 04, 2001.

I would gladly handle that, JBT, if you would so kindly explain to me why I should. Use short words, no pictures.

Shakey is still living, Porter.

Zzzzz, would you like to mud wrestle?

-- helen (who@needs.a.king), October 04, 2001.

Cuz you started it last night.

Biggest word, seven letters.

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 04, 2001.

I never one time, not EVER once, brought a hamster into the conversation.

-- helen (not@me.not.me), October 04, 2001.

Cause and effect. Tease.

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 04, 2001.

Helen -

Actually, I think I'll just pass on this whole King vacancy thing. From what I'm hearing from others it's not really my thing, anyway. Plus I think I've already come as close as I really care to come to being snuffed by women as I lay in some mudhole, if you catch my drift.

The thing on the hamsters was really just one of those random memory things about supposed pastime known as "felching" (I think) that popped into my head after reading JBT's comment about the goats and mules. Just silliness - didn't mean to offend.

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 04, 2001.

The King was and always shall be the #2 asshole. We all know who is still in 1st.

-- (LadyLogic2000@yahoo.com), October 04, 2001.

Who was number 1?

Zzzzz, you don't know what you're missing. Actually, I don't know either. But somebody had to heybob this thread. All this apologizing is a sign of the end times.

-- helen (got@hidey.hole?), October 04, 2001.

Re: Maria - stop & His Majesty:

She was the original who inspired the whole riff anyway, so this thread is oddly appropriate.

Maria, I hope you are faring as well as you can in your personal grieving. Hang in there, kiddo.

Zzzzz,

I really hope you hang in as well.

helen,

Am I gonna hafta hose you down, hon?

-- flora (***@__._), October 04, 2001.

Did I do something wrong, Flora?

-- helen (put@the.hose.down.I.surrender), October 04, 2001.

"Zzzzz, you don't know what you're missing. Actually, I don't know either. But somebody had to heybob this thread. All this apologizing is a sign of the end times."

Helen -

I hear ya. I was hoping, after finding out a little more about the KOS, that you didn't really think I was that sort of guy, and that your inquiry wasn't actually some sort of heavy duty slam I was initially just to ignorant (about KOS) to perceive.

As to apologies...well...when you truly cross somebody else's line and step on their toes in an particularly ugly and unfair way an apology isn't a bad idea, tho it may be considered optional by some. When you go and cross your own line, it's no longer optional, it's mandatory, for your own self respect. And I felt I'd done that.

I think the world will survive. They say that what doesn't kill you outright just makes you stronger...

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 04, 2001.

Zzzzz,

The weirdly charming thing about the soveriegn was that he WAS that virtual kinda guy, though not in a filthy way - though it did involve the idea of copious amounts of mud. You've got to realize that TEOTWAKI was nearly howling at the door, and most {ostensably} females were eventually asked "Do you like to mudwrestle?" & no more. The fellas were all "DGIs" about it - but after reading the recent reports coming out of New York City about folks being driven to 'get together', I wonder if there wasn't a mild primal component to the whole thing.

Too bad y'all weren't there for the whole ride, there were some interesting conversations back in the day.

Here's to the interesting conversations of the future!

-- flora (***@__._), October 04, 2001.

helen - do domething wrong?! Hell no, just don't give up hope. Where there is mud, there is hope . . .

-- flora (***@__._), October 04, 2001.

Flora -

What's "DGI's"? Try as I may I just can't seem to unravel that one...

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 04, 2001.

Zzzzz: "Don't Get It". Heh. I kindof liked the guy with the KOS handle. We fought regularly, 'cause I was a pollyanna and he was a doomer, but I don't think either of us ever held the other in contempt. I remember one time he posted, "Why do the pollies come here and ask such stupid questions?" I responded with, "Ya mean like 'Would you like to mudwrestle?'" He responded with "touche" and I don't know how to throw the little mark in on that.

Actually, besides just posting for humor, I suspect he really WAS into mudwrestling. He mentioned a bunch of videos he had of women mudwrestling. I dunno, though. I didn't arrive at the forum until June or July of 1999 and others before me might have better information on whether this was simply an effort to lighten up the conversation a bit or whether he was really "into" this.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 04, 2001.

Zzzzz...you're not WHAT sort of guy? You don't like to mudwrestle?

Flora, the refugee center has been reopened. Or it will be tomorrow. I finally got the frig defrosted and I still have some floors to mop. Then we're open for business. I'm so depressed. I thought this was all over when the clocks didn't blow up on 1-1-1.

-- helen is soooo confused (men@are.different), October 04, 2001.

OMG -'Nita, I'm geting misty!

[Forgive me, Zzzzz]

Do you remember how Flint painstakingly argued that the economy wouldn't collapse, using KOS's video outlet as a model?! - LOL

-- flora (***@__._), October 04, 2001.

Helen -

Nooo...I'm not opposed to mudwrestling, not at all, it might be just the ticket, right now, for those occasional cases of the blues. I'd heard that the KOS was good at pissing women off...my info may have been a bit biased or unenlightened...I can't know.

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 04, 2001.

Zzzz, I dunno who he pissed off or on. Once in a while I get pissed, but then I forget who and why and what I was going to do about it. Short circuit in the limbic system, I suspect. Except for one little real life situation... that time I made a "cancer list".

-- helen (are@there.mudwrestling.rules?), October 04, 2001.

Anita -

Hello. And thanks for that info. I've enjoyed your postings. You seem to be an especially unflappable induhwidual. I'm going to try to emulate you, in that regard, in the future.

My info on KOS was solely from other males, and it's becoming apparent to me that that may have a lot to do with what I know, and what I still don't know about the guy. You ladies seem to view the KOS in an entirely different light. I find that quite interesting, in and of itself.

I'm slowly but surely sifting thru the old postings (before my time stuff) in "Uncatagorized" to see what I might learn, and I'm learning a lot. I'd love to find an archive of TB2K and the tb2K stuff, if it still exists.

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 04, 2001.

Zzzz, don't do that. You'll go blind. Reading the archives, I mean.

-- helen (more@shit.there.than.in.an.outhouse), October 04, 2001.

Helen -

LOL...I guess I'll have to take my chances. I've heard that claim about some other things, too, and it's turned out not to be true :-)

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 04, 2001.

helen, have I already gone blind? I can't find the classic bomb archives on Lusenet - though the "TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Forum Moderators" BBoard is still listed.

-- flora (***@__._), October 04, 2001.

Flora, the prep forums are still where you can get to them. Go to this site and look at the list of links:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=006SBs

As for all the others, who knows? Prolly some shrink was gonna make a dissertation out of it ... before ... you know ... we went to war.

-- camp helen is open -- bring a blanket and extra shoes (we@take.everybody), October 04, 2001.

Helen-

I've never seen that before, thatnks. I'll have to explore around here better, I guess.

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 04, 2001.

Some shrunk?

Should I bring extra TP? eve & I have a long-standing campout- cookout date. Maybe it's high time for Z to pony up some recipes.

-- flora (***@__._), October 04, 2001.

Zzzzz -- (Gawd, I don't believe this is happening again!) -- Quick tutorial:

Doomer: Doomers store food like squirrels do for the same reason squirrels do -- to eat later when there are no other foods lying around. My grandparents did this. They raised kids in the depression.

Super Doomer: These doomers are pretty sure society will collapse into total or near anarchy. Some intend to hole up, and others intend to run to a safer place. In our case, we turned this place into a safe house for anyone who needs help. Because, you know, we're all gonna die anyway. I need some brownie points with Jesus because I never paid too much attention in church.

Pollies: Reference to Polly Anna, that sweet little girl who saw no evil, even when evil had her by the ... you know the story? Pollies don't store like squirrels. Some doomers believe pollies are merely unawakened cannabils. Some pollies believe doomers will kill them all for fun just soon as the cops are out of the way.

TEOTWAWKI: The End Of The World As We Know It. I believe this is a popular song too. This event was to be the trigger for societal collapse.

TSHTF: The Shit Hits The Fan. Self-explanatory.

I have never been able to determine the cause of anger between doomers and pollies, other than the underlying assumption each has that the other is stupid and/or crazy. That, and the constant negative references to each other's genitalia, sexual orientation, prowess in the bedroom, and weight contributed to an enormous waste of bandwidth.

And you know, if the way people took care of each other in NY is any indication, I was totally right all along about how people would respond to the crisis -- like decent human beings. (Neener neener)

-- helen :) (camp@kitchen.needs.volunteers), October 04, 2001.

{Don't forget the endgame fave: FUD - Fear Uncertainty & Doubt}

Luv ya, helen

Zzzzz, you're growin' on me

-- flora (***@__._), October 05, 2001.

I love you too, Flora. I couldn't remember what FUD stood for.

Just went back into some of those old prep threads...what a trip down memory lane!

For the record, I don't want to do this again.

-- camp helen -- bring yer own laxatives (Latrine@diggers.needed), October 05, 2001.

We're gonna be okay, kiddo.

-- flora (***@__._), October 05, 2001.

It was supposed to be over when the lights stayed on. It was supposed to be a joke. I got people asking me if they can come out when they refused to come out last time. THAT'S a sign of the end times. They want to talk prep and I keep telling them I don't want to do it any more. I don't remember where I left the potty bucket. I HATE the potty bucket. And besides that...

-- helen sniffles in self pity (camp@helen.open.sunday.too), October 05, 2001.

Helen -

I'm going to have to pick your brain thoroughly, I can see that. You make me smile deeply :-))

Flora -

Well, thank you! That's the nicest thing anybody has said to me in quite some time, I believe. I'm sure that if I keep hanging around here the feeling will become ever more mutual as time goes on, I think.

Yesterday is history, and tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift, that's why they call it the present...

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 05, 2001.

Time Bomb 2000, including archives

Grab a case of beer, take a week off work, and enjoy.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 05, 2001.

Unk, all I did was look at a couple of links and I'm nearly blind. I found the old post about the Benedictine monk and the feminine hygiene products...I'd forgotten all about that. >:)

Zzzzz, it's nice of you to assume I have a brain. If you see something I post and you want to ask a question, I highly recommend asking within 24 hours of the post. I often forget what we're talking about and what I meant when I posted something. I blame y2k burnout for this condition. You can only store so much information, and I burned composting toilet information, for example, onto my harddrive, leaving only a small amount of RAM for daily interactions.

-- helen loves unk (camp@helen.where.the.lights.go.out.constantly), October 05, 2001.

LOL !

I don't know about that whole week off work part, but sure looks like I've got the weekend at least. I'll just dig right in! Thank's Uncle Deedah ;-)

BTW - this morning on Good Morning America they did an entire segment on the predicted "mini baby boom" that's expected in about 8 months, because of the terrorist attacks. They even have a name for this phenomenon: "Disaster Sex"

So, hey, Helen, girls...sorry for my incredulous and sceptical initial response to the KOS mud wrestling thing - apparently us "DGI" guys (with the exception of the lost King, of course) have something to learn here, about the way your gender tends to respond to disasters...

The King is Dead! Long live the King! :-)

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 05, 2001.

Zzzz, did you just volunteer to be the new king?

-- helen stands at the brink of a mud puddle (camp@helen.we.never.close), October 05, 2001.

Helen -

Just a tad more research is in order here, I think, before I crawl back into the ooze we all originally crawled up out of. Gimme some time to familiarize myself with the etiquette of this noble, and apparently underappreciated, sport :-)

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 05, 2001.

Rule 1: You invite what you hope is a real woman to mudwrestle.

Rule 2: You basically leave it at that.

Rule 3: If you inadvertently ask a man to mudwrestle, be secure enough in your own sense of manhood to ignore the inevitable references to the Freudian roots of your blunder. Unless it's Unk -- he might take you up on it as long as you immediately invite several known females to mudwrestle at the same time.

-- camp helen -- where the guests never leave (kiss@the.mule), October 05, 2001.

Zzzzz,

KOS was GI not DGI. Helen you shameless hussy! Tsk,tsk.

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 05, 2001.

BTW, what is your definition of a "real" woman?

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), October 05, 2001.

I am desperately trying to figure out what distinguishes this thread from Seinfeld..........

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), October 05, 2001.

A "real" woman is a human female who embraces the phrase:

"The female is the deadlier of the species" -- Kipling

--and who knows exactly what it means.

-- camp helen -- safety, security, and girls rule there (trust@me.really), October 05, 2001.

FutureShock, HERE you have to be able to read.

-- camp helen -- velvet gloves hide ...? (girls@rule.always), October 05, 2001.

I still think Jell-o rasslin' is a much preferred medium for contact sport, mud is soooo antiquated and the grit is annoying as hell.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), October 05, 2001.

Capnfun! Wanna wrestle in warm pudding?

-- camp helen -- where the dicatoress is benevolent (really@trust.me), October 05, 2001.

Any particular flavor?

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), October 05, 2001.

Zzzzz, KOS was GI not DGI. Helen you shameless hussy! Tsk,tsk.

The Pollies were referred to as DGI's before 1/1/2000, because the majority opinion among the doomers was that the pollies, well, didn't "get" how everything was going to hell in a handbasket after 1/2000. I'm not sure where the original term DGI was coined, or by whom, anyone know? Was it Ed himself?

I think that after rollover, the definitions of the terms were reversed, at least in spirit.

-- Bemused (and_amazed@you.people), October 05, 2001.

They called me mad, and I called them mad, and damn them, they outvoted me.

Nathaniel Lee c. 1653-92 R. Porter A Social History of Madness

-- Zzzzz (asleep@the.wheel), October 05, 2001.

-- (off@off.off), October 05, 2001.

Here's my favorite trip-down-memory-lane link:

For newcomers

-- Bemused (and_amazed@you.people), October 05, 2001.

Speaking of KOS, he was in that link

"Cherri: Please do not post while drunk. Thank you.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), January 07, 2000."

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002GLj

-- (th@nks .bemused), October 05, 2001.

And, interestingly:

---

Oh, c'mon gang, lighten up a bit. I think we always felt that Cherri meant well, no matter how ditsy her posts were. And her spelling has improved radically, no doubt at least partly in response to the unmerciful teasing that we subjected her to about it. And she tries so hard.

And let's give credit where credit is due: Cherri has ALWAYS insisted that embedded chips would NOT be a problem, and so far they have not. The fact that Cherri could never give a consistent, believable technical argument to justify her position is beside the point -- as of THIS date and time, her prediction is way ahead of Paula Gordon et al.

Cherri projects a nice ray of sunshine. And I can only hope that ray continues to shine over the next few weeks, so that we can all "declare victory and go home" with Y2K.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), January 02, 2000.

-- Bemused (and_amazed@you.people), October 05, 2001.

It seems like so long ago, yrt judy likr utdterdsy

Dang, I literally fell asleep typing that, and can't remember what I was trying to say???

-- Cherri (jessam6@home.com), October 06, 2001.