Heard this A.M. on The View. The UK is going to start issuing National ID Cards. And The US is thinking along the same lines. They said that in the UK it is volintary but pointed out that it really is not if you want to fly, do banking, or any other socity thing. Sounda like the start of the Beast to me. We do need something to help identify us and keep the bad people out or out of business. But like every other piece of legal paper...If you need a forgery it can be got for a price. So it would inconvenance alot of normal people and probable not keep the really bad and wealthy ones legal.

-- Cindy from Texas (Goldie@hotmail.com), September 25, 2001

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Need something to identify us? Ask a jew what it was like having a number tattooed onto his/her forearm. Read George Orwell: 1984. This a forum for countrysiders, for politics click on the LUSENET link at the top of the page.

-- Kathy (catfish201@hotmail.com), September 25, 2001.

Sad to say Cindy but I am sure a National ID will happen at sometime in the future,especially if terroists keep doing their thing here. And I really don't see how city or countryfolks can avoid it except by just refusing and becoming hermits. The time they are a'changing!

-- TomK(mich) (tjk@cac.net), September 25, 2001.

Wouldn't you say our having to already show ID, drivers liscense, school ID cards, State ID cards etc. is enough? Perhaps in the UK they have better mass transit and more folks don't already have some form of picture ID on them like folks in the US do nearly from birth! Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh TX (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), September 25, 2001.

Ever apply for a passport?? Difficult process requiring verifiable identification via certified birth certificate. Yet, some of the terrorists had phoney id's. Wonder how hard it would be for them to get a phoney National ID Card.

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), September 25, 2001.

yea, Dianne, It wouldnt take too long till terrorism could convince the public that it was in their best interrests to accept a ID microchip inserted in the back of their right hands, or even their foreheads. Kinda hard to steal a hand or a head, isnt it?

-- daffodyllady (daffodyllady@yahoo.com), September 25, 2001.

I have one thing to say...The mark of the beast...666

-- grant (organicgrange@yahoo.com), September 25, 2001.

Well it is looking that the world is heading for the mark of the beast. But it will have to be in the right hand or the forehead. When they start putting them there watch out. dale

-- dale (dgarr@fidnet.com), September 25, 2001.

I think it would be kind of confusing if we all had the same number, wouldn't it? I guess I don't understand the 666 comment. I carry my driver's licence in my wallet all the time, along with a couple of credit cards and a pesticide applicator's licence and two store identification cards. What's wrong with one more if it makes people safer? If you don't have anything to be afraid other people will find out, who cares, anyway? I mind my own business, pay my taxes, and am not a criminal. I don't care if anyone hears my phone calls or reads my email. What damaging things are they going to find out when they listen in, that I'm telling my sister what cute thing my dog did today? Hand out the id cards, it's fine with me. I'd rather they hand out national health care id cards, but I'm not holding my breath on those. Maybe if enough people would yell they could combine them and the US would finally get nationalized health care. Just my opinion.

-- Jennifer L. (Northern NYS) (jlance@nospammail.com), September 25, 2001.

What you said sounds about right Cindy,,sad days ahead for all, "critical times hard to deal with",,,as Bible says,,,

-- Patsy, MT (cpc-1@care2.com), September 26, 2001.

How would a national ID card be used? What data would be kept on it. When would it be needed? Go about your day, when would there be a time when you would to identify yourself? Will this take the place of your work ID, Your ATM and your credit cards, your drivers license? passport? WHAT???? How would of a national ID card have prevented the 911 highjacking? The hijackers had US visa to be in the country. They even left and came back several times. They took flight lessions, they traveled on air planes several times, they rented and shared an apartment. None of these things are illegal in themself.

The only thing the ID card could have done is TRACK what they were doing and thats what I want no part of.

I have a state issues id in the form of a Drivers license, I have a federal ID number, My ssn. Both could be forged. I know of no smart card or ID card that couldnt be forged

-- Gary (gws@redbird.net), September 26, 2001.

And who is keeping tabs on the people keeping tabs on us ? . . . themselves?

I don't break the law, so a national ID card doesn't freak me out for that reason. What does tick me off is that I am FORCED TO COMPLY. That or choose to forego some "conveniences". Like cashing a check in "my" bank. Or getting hospitalization. Or renewing my drivers license. Or getting insurance. Or keeping your job (no card, how does your boss know who you are?). Or getting my IRS checks (soon by direct deposit; so convenient, you don't even have to bother depositing yourself!). You know, little "conveniences" like that.

I don't like getting hassled at stores for "alternative ID" so I just pay cash for everything. Don't own credit cards (except a gas card you pay costs up front). Everytime you open a checkbook, two forms of ID are already necessary; National ID gonna replace these?

Whole idea leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The framers of the Constitution are spinning like tops in their graves. This isn't America; it is becoming Amerika.

-- j.r. guerra (jrguerra@boultinghousesimpson.com), September 26, 2001.

I heard on the radio yesterday where the goverment "isn't sure" that the last census is "accurate" They're going to issue i.d. cards and they don't even know how many people there are to issue them to? I personally don't think it will keep anyone safer-anything the govement comes up with forgers can do in 48 hours.

-- Kelly (markelly@scrtc.com), September 26, 2001.

All this talk about national ID cards saddens me, somehow in my mind I liken it to numbers on peoples arm during WW II what is this world coming to?? Although wasn't this all written somewhere in the Bible about the end coming by fire. I need to take the time to go back and reread those passages.

What happended on 9/11 will live in our history forever no doubt about it, but we as people of a free nation need to rise above it and carry on if not for ourselves then for those who lost their lives in this senseless action.

Did you realize the September 11 was picked because our call for help numbers are 911, think about it; they wanted to make sure we never forgot.

Don't mean to sound negative but this whole thing has really gotten to me, my husband is a fireman and EMT and he could have been one of those running in when everyone else was running out, it is his job, his passion, and his love, and I wouldn't ask him to do otherwise but a different time, a different place he could have been one of our lost brave men. The whole thing is tearing me apart to think that this is going on in our world today.

Sally

-- sally stanton (mallardhen67@hotmail.com), September 26, 2001.

Well, this explains why the mark of the beast will have to be an implant or some such. Because just as you all pointed out, a national ID card would be too easy to forge or copy. This is how they will "sell the idea" to everyone during the Trib..

-- connie in nm (karrelandconnie@msn.com), September 26, 2001.

The national ID could be a smart card: a card with a chip installed. Your biometrics, such as your photo and fingerprints, would be stored on this card. It would be nearly impossible to forge (if it even could) because the person using it would have their photo taken via a camera and compared to the data on the chip. Also, the thumb print would also be compared. If both your thumb print and face do not match what is on the chip you would be refused service and possible have the police called. As stated previously, in England, this would be voluntary until you wanted to buy something. Colorado has already begun storing peoples biometrics on a database when they renew their drivers license and you can expect to see other states and the federal government following suit.

-- mike (uyk7@hotmail.com), September 30, 2001.

heck, why don't we save some time and just all have the chip implanted in our right hand. They can fit all that information on a rice grain sized chip that requires no power source. Seems like it's headed that way so let's just save time and go ahead. Of course, I'm being sarcastic but I do worry things are headed this way, especially when so much of the public is quick to support things like national i.d. It seems to me we already have one with our Social Security number. There's not much you can do without it.

-- Dave (something@somewhere.com), September 30, 2001.

here in California they fingerprint you and store them on a database when you get a drivers license. They also scan your picture for computerized facial recognition. They say it's to prevent drivers license fraud but I'm fairly sure they use them for other things like criminal investigations. It'll be real convenient for them when they want to make a database of all citizens for criminal justice agencies. The state I moved here from didn't even fingerprint me for a concealed carry permit so I was kind of shocked I had to be printed for a drivers license.

-- Dave (something@somewhere.com), September 30, 2001.

The technology is already ready. There are microchips which have already been developed that are heat sensitive. They are inserted via syringe into specific spots of the body; the back of the right hand or the forehead. The changes in body heat at those specific spots does something to recharge the circuits.

Visit www.cyberclass.net/microchip.htm to learn more about it.

-- daffodyllady (daffodyllady@yahoo.com), September 30, 2001.

And by the way, if you look at the bar code on everything you purchase from any store that scans its goods, you will see two or three sets of lines that have no number under them. Each of those is a 6. Every two-peice product identification bar-code is already encoded with 666. Of course, it isnt easily seen, or the public would have screamed bloody murder when it was instituted. But it's there. If you look at every set of lines that has a 6 under it, and then compare those which are not identified, you will see those not identified are 6's.

Of course, the Bible doesnt say we will have to wear a big 666 emblazoned on the forehead or hand. It simply says that the beast will have those numbers as the numbers of his name. And that those who want to buy or sell will have to have one of three things on his forehead: Either #1,the mark; #2, the beast's name; or #3, the number of his name. And that word "mark" there in the original Greek is "stigma", which literally means, a "sticking" or "pricking." A syringe-inserted ID Microchip encoded with 666 would fit the bill perfectly. And the public would never need to know that it had that number in the chip. But if a bar-code is in the chip, the number of the beast is there.

One thing is for sure. The book of Revelation says that this will be a choice of worship. It will not be something that God's children can be tricked into doing. It will be a choice of yeilding one's allegiance to and evil person who demands our worship, before one will recieve the mark. So dont worry. We may suffer for refusing, but the suffering will be shortened for our sake. And GLORY is coming.

-- daffodyllady (daffodyllady@yahoo.com), September 30, 2001.

While I'm not sure about the bar code idea, I did look up the word 'mark' in the Srong's concordance. The original Greek word is 'charagma', which means "a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue)". I also didn't know that California had already begun maintaining a database. Imagine how easy it would be to connect all the databases that are already available with those of other countries. I'm not really sure if the 'mark' will be physical of more along the lines of a national ID card which would require you to sware loyalty to country above all else. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

-- Mike (uyk7@hotmail.com), October 02, 2001.

Instead of bobbing around in a sea of ignorance about bar coding, read these and understand what they mean.

http://www.barcodehq.com/primer.html

http://www.taltech.com/TALtech_web/resources/intro_to_bc/bcbascs.htm

http://www.taltech.com/TALtech_web/resources/intro_to_bc/bcsymbol.htm

Get Smart !

-- xrb (xraybob@yahoo.com), October 02, 2001.

I visited those sites listed and I still don't see 666. This doesn't meant that it couldn't be used as the 'mark' though.

-- Mike (uyk7@hotmail.com), October 02, 2001.