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This weeks Weekly Reader had the annual school budget for our smallish town. The budget is 14.8 million dollars. We have 1708 children enrolled in our independent school district. This comes to roughly $8,665 per individual student. The local private Christian school has an annual tuition of $1,760. Is it time yet to admit that public education is a complete and udder (joke) failure?
How much does it cost to educate one child for a year in your public schools?
-- Doreen (email@example.com), September 07, 2001
Cost of public education: Education=$1760 Programming for secular humanism for the new world order=$6000.
Find that hard to believe? Read this article for a good summary on Secular Humanism in Modern Education: http://www.christianparents.com/humanism.htm
If you really want a good scare, go read the latest edition of the Humanist Manifesto: http://secularhumanism.org/manifesto/
John Dewey, the father of modern public education, was an early signer to the Humanist Manifesto. He wrote that every public school is a school of Secular Humanism.
Children are being programmed for citizenship in the new world order.
-- Skip in Western WA (firstname.lastname@example.org), September 08, 2001.
Doreen, college is the kicker. Joni's books for her first semester were over 400$ and some of them where from the used book store! Choke :) Vicki
-- Vicki McGaugh (email@example.com), September 08, 2001.
We add maybe $100 worth of books to our home school library each year. Probably could do with less, but what the hey. I can't even imagine what all that public school money goes for. I mean, obviously they have salaries and overhead, but really!..and I have to say I think Skip is right on--just part of the reason I keep my younguns home.
-- mary (firstname.lastname@example.org), September 08, 2001.
What Skip said!!! Indoctrination is expensive and time consuming. Why, between the indoctrination, breakfast's, lunches, after school care and metal detectors, there is hardly a moment for edumication...you know, readin' and such! Welcom to the guvement skools of Amerika! "We know what is best, and we are doing it for ze children" "Now back in line and give us ze papers!!"
-- Wendy@GraceAcres (email@example.com), September 09, 2001.
WARNING< WARNING< Graphic Sexual Content ----- Reading further may cause revulsion, outrage and dizziness ---- You have been WARNED!!
That said, I figured if these school-children could be exposed to the following, surely those of us here can handle it.... I am thinking of that line in the movie, "YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!" That is what this feels like. Anyway, read at your own risk.
The FISTGATE Report
"Fisting [forcing one’s entire hand into another person’s rectum or vagina] often gets a bad rap....[It’s] an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with...[and] to put you into an exploratory mode." Know?
Students Given Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex By Brian Camenker and Scott Whiteman May 2000
The above quotation comes from Massachusetts Department of Education employees describing the pleasures of homosexual sex to a group of high school students at a state-sponsored workshop on March 25, 2000.
On March 25, a statewide conference, called "Teach-Out," was sponsored by the Massachusetts Department of Education, the Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth, and the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network. Among the goals were to build more Gay/Straight Alliances in Massachusetts and expand homosexual teaching into the lower grades. Scores of gay-friendly teachers and administrators attended. They received state "professional development credits." Teenagers and children as young as 12 were encouraged to come from around the state, and many were bussed in from their home districts. Homosexual activists from across the country were also there.
To say that the descriptions below of workshops and presentations of this state-sponsored event for educators and children are "every parent’s nightmare," does not do them justice. It is beyond belief that this could be happening at all. One music teacher who attended out of curiosity said that she could not sleep for several nights afterwards and had nightmares about it.
"Queer sex for youth, 14-21" In one well-attended workshop, "What They Didn’t Tell You About Queer Sex & Sexuality In Health Class: A Workshop For Youth Only, Ages 14- 21," the three homosexual presenters acting in their professional capacities coaxed about 20 children into talking openly and graphically about homosexual sex. The purpose appeared to be to train adults who are running the student clubs. The three presenters, who described themselves as homosexual, were:
o Margot E. Abels, Coordinator, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts Dept. of Education
o Julie Netherland, Coordinator, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts Dept. of Education
o Michael Gaucher, Consultant, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts Dept. of Public Health
The workshop syllabus included:
o "What’s it like to be young, queer and beginning to date?
o "Are lesbians at risk for HIV?… "We will address the information you want about queer sexuality and some of the politics that prevent us from getting our needs met."
The workshop opened with the three public employees asking the children "how they knew, as gay people, whether or not they’ve had sex." Questions were thrown around the room about whether oral sex was "sex," to which the Department of Public Health employee stated, "If that’s not sex, then the number of times I’ve had sex has dramatically decreased, from a mountain to a valley, baby." Eventually the answer presented itself, and it was determined that whenever an orifice was filled with genitalia, then sex had occurred. The Department of Public Health employee, Michael Gaucher, had the following exchange with one student, who appeared to be about 16 years old:
Michael Gaucher: "What orifices are we talking about?"
Michael Gaucher: "Don’t be shy, honey; you can do it."
Student: "Your mouth."
Michael Gaucher: "Okay."
Student: "Your ass."
Michael Gaucher: "There you go."
Student: "Your pussy. That kind of place."
But since sex occurred "when an orifice was filled," the next question was how lesbians could "have sex." Margot Abels discussed whether a dildo had to be involved; when it was too big or too small; and what homosexual resources students could consult to get similar questions answered.
Role playing and "carpet munching" Then the children were asked to role-play. One student was to act the part of "a young lesbian who’s really enraptured with another woman, and it’s really coming down to the wire and you’re thinking about having sex." The other student played the "hip GSA (gay, straight alliance) lesbian advisor, who you feel you can talk to." The "counseling" included discussions of lesbian sex, oral-vaginal contact, or "carpet munching," as one student put it. The student asked whether it would smell like fish. At that point the session turned to another subject.
"A lesson in fisting?" There was a five minute pause so that all of the teenagers could write down questions for the homosexual presenters. The first question was read by Julie Netherland, "What’s fisting?"
A student answered this question by informing the class that "fisting" is when you put your "whole hand into the ass or pussy" of another. When a few of the students winced, the Department of Public Health employee offered, "A little known fact about fisting: you don’t make a fist like this. It’s like this." He formed his hand into the shape of a tear drop rather than a balled fist. He informed the children that it was much easier.
Margot Abels told the students that "fisting" is not about forcing your hand into somebody’s "hole, opening or orifice" if they don’t want it there. She said that "usually" the person was very relaxed and opened him or herself up to the other. She informed the class that it is a very emotional and intense experience. At this point, a youngster of about 16 asked why someone would want to do that. He stated that if the hand were pulled out quickly, the whole thing didn’t sound very appealing to him. Margot Abels was quick to point out that although fisting "often gets a really bad rap," it usually isn’t about the pain, "not that we’re putting that down." Margot Abels informed him and the class that "fisting" was "an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with." When a child asked the question, "Why would someone do this?" Margot Abels provided a comfortable response to the children, in order to "put them into an exploratory mode."
"Rubbing each others’ clits…" Michael Gaucher presented the next question, "Do lesbians rub their clits together?"
Michael Gaucher and Margot Abels asked the kids if they thought it was possible and whether someone would do a "hand-diagram" for the class. No one volunteered, but a girl who looked about 15 or 16 then stepped up to the board and drew a three foot high vagina and labeled each of the labia, the clitoris, and "put up inside the ‘G’-spot." While drawing, Michael Gaucher told her to use the "pink" chalk, to which Margot Abels responded, "Not everyone is pink, honey." All of the children laughed.
After the chalk vagina was complete, the children remarked on the size of the "clit," and the presenters stated that that was a gifted woman. Then Margot Abels informed all of the young girls that, indeed, you can rub your "clitori" together, either with or without clothes and "you can definitely orgasm from it." Michael Gaucher told the kids that "there is a name for this: tribadism," which he wrote on the board and told one girl who looked about 14 to "bring that vocabulary word back to Bedford." Julie Netherland informed the children that it wasn’t too difficult because, "When you are sexually aroused, your clit gets bigger."
"Should you spit after you suck another boy (or a man)?" Michael Gaucher read the following from a card: "Cum and calories: Spit versus swallow and the health concerns." Gaucher informed the children that although he didn’t know the calorie count of male ejaculation, he has "heard that it’s sweeter if people eat celery." He then asked the boys, "Is it rude not to swallow?" Many of the high school boys mumbled "No," but one about the age of 16 said emphatically, "Oh no!" One boy, again about the age of 16, offered his advice on avoiding HIV/AIDS transmission while giving oral sex by not brushing your teeth or eating course food for four hours before you "go down on a guy," "because then you probably don’t want to be swallowing cum."
Another question asked was whether oral sex was better with tongue rings. A 16-year-old student murmured, "Yes," to which all of the children laughed. Michael Gaucher said, "There you have it" and stated something to the effect that the debate has ended.
Use a condom? It’s your decision, really. One often hears that there is an aggressive HIV/AIDS prevention campaign, but the session ran 55 minutes before the first mention of "protection" and safer sex came. In the context of the "safer sex" discussion, however, it was pointed out that these children could make an "informed decision" not to use a condom. Outside in the conference hall, the children could easily obtain as many condoms, vaginal condoms and other contraceptive devices as they wished from various organizations which distribute such.
Well, yes…it really is about sex! Another popular session was presented by the same three public employees in their professional capacity and was called, "Putting the ‘Sex’ Back Into Sexual Orientation: Classroom Strategies for Health & Sexuality Educators." The workshop included:
What does it mean to say "being gay, lesbian and bisexual isn’t about sex?…How can we deny that sexuality is central for all of us? How do we learn to address the unique concerns of queer youth?…This workshop is for educators to examine strategies for integrating sexuality education and HIV prevention content specific to gay, lesbian and bisexual students into the classroom and GSA’s….additional strategies will be discussed."
The three presenters now assumed the task of teaching teachers how to facilitate discussions about "queer sex" with their students.
Tired of denying it Margot Abels opened by telling the room full of teachers (and two high school students), "We always feel like we are fighting against people who deny publicly, who say privately, that being queer is not at all about sex… We believe otherwise. We think that sex is central to every single one of us and particularly queer youth."
Margot Abels, Julie Netherland and Michael Gaucher reviewed a few "campaigns" that have been used to demonstrate to queer youth how to best "be safe" while still enjoying homosexual sex.
The campaign, "Respect yourself, protect yourself," was thought to be good in getting the message to kids that they should use protection, but since it made children who didn’t protect themselves feel bad, it ultimately was a poor message. Michael Gaucher pointed out that children "with an older partner that they are not feeling they can discuss things with, does that mean that they don’t respect themselves?"
The campaign, "No sex, no problem," was ridiculed, as the campaign assumed that children could opt not to have sex. Additionally, the campaign made those children who had already had sex feel bad or think they had a problem, since they had had sex.
After reviewing a few of the campaigns, Margot Abels described the project she works on. The "Gay/Straight Alliance HIV Education Project" goes to five different schools each year conducting up to eight "HIV prevention sessions" in that school’s gay club. These same presenters who just told a group of children how to properly position their hands for "fisting" were now telling a room full of educators that they would visit their schools and conduct the same workshops for their students.
Bringing homosexuality into the middle school One participant remarked half-way through that Margot Abels just wasn’t "talking to" her, since she, the participant, was a lesbian, middle school teacher. She wanted to know specifically what she could do to facilitate discussions about homosexuality in middle school. This was solved in another session entitled, "Struggles & Triumphs of Including Homosexuality in a Middle School Curriculum." Christine L. Hoyle, Special Education Teacher and workshop presenter, told the story of how she turned the holocaust portion of her curriculum into a gay affirming section. Ms. Hoyle allowed the group at the conference to watch a video which she had her students produce and which was narrated by a seventh grade girl. This girl told the audience that ancient Greeks "encouraged homosexuals; in fact, it was considered normal for an adolescent boy to have an older, wiser man as his lover." Thus, this teacher informed her adolescent students that it is okay if an older man approaches them for sexual gratification.
Finally, the handouts An enormous amount of very disturbing material, most of it aimed at children, was distributed at the conference. Much of it encourages young children to become actively engaged in homosexual activities. The Sidney Borum Community Health Center table was giving out a cassette sized "pocket sex" kit, which included two condoms, two antiseptic "moist" towelettes, and six bandages, which were for "when the sex got really rough" according to the high school volunteer behind the desk. There was a countless supply of condoms supplied by both Sidney Borum and Planned Parenthood, all of which were for the taking by any child who wanted them. One could see children as young as 12 or 13 at the conference participating and receiving "information" and materials.
It shocked this reporter.
For the reporter and the music teacher, this "conference" was a shock that words can barely describe. One wonders whether it was similar to the experiences of American GIs when they first approached the concentration camps. They had heard stories and rumors, but no one could imagine it was like this. It was a mind-numbing experience.
But most shocking of all was that none of the adults seemed to be bothered by any of it. In fact, there was an eerie sense of solidarity in the air, against "those bigots, those homophobes who would stop our progress."
After our paper was delivered to 250,000 homes across the Commonwealth and after our Internet site carried the news around the country, many citizens expressed their shock and anger. When talk show host, Jeanine Graf of 96.9FM, spent three hours every evening for two weeks on the issue, many more expressed their outrage. When all of this pressure hit, the Dept. of Education terminated the two employees and apologized to the state. But the homosexual activists did not want copies of this tape to be heard by the public. So they went to a judge in secret the night before a rally of parents was to be held and asked him to issue an emergency order stopping anyone from talking about the scandal or distributing a tape recording of what had happened. The unconstitutional order that was issued shocked the entire nation, but not Massachusetts.
See, how can they possibly have enuf time for de basics, given the priority of learnin' bout ze important things??!?
Give us ze children.....Give us ze children......Give us ze children......Can you repeat after me? Give ze children...Give ze children...Give ze children...
http://www.massnews.com/fistrep.htm#Students%20Given%20Graphic% 20Instruction%20In%20Homosexual - There is alot more of this story here.
Contents Students Given Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex Judge van Gestel Please Read the Constitution Judge Forbad Debate by State Senate Boston Globe Misleads About Sex Scandal Globe Reporters Are Ignorant About Law New Editor of Globe’s Editorial Page Is In Trouble Governor’s Commission Lies Continually About ‘Safety’ and ‘Suicide’ Globe Reveals the ‘Truth’ About Jeanine Graf She Might Be a Christian! Globe Attacks Parents On Sex Scandal ‘Religious Wrong’ Exposed at Fistgate Former Homosexual Was Personally Attacked Lesbian Senator Glorified for Fighting Parents Globe Discovers Republican With Lesbian Daughter Health Problems Plague Homosexual Community: Do Our Children Know?
-- Wendy@GraceAcres (firstname.lastname@example.org), September 09, 2001.
http://220.127.116.11/1-8-01.ram - Please go here to HEAR this story-- wish I knew how to "link."
-- Wendy@GraceAcres (email@example.com), September 09, 2001.
Well, there was an article somewhat like the above that I posted on a CS thread once. Not quite as explicit, perhaps, but it was about the Mass. educational system. Whoa.
The link above doesn't work for me. Mac related?
There is no doubt that it is better to homeschool, at least that way you actually know what your children are learning or if they are indeed learning. For some people it really isn't possible, but is there any kind of networking going on where say one family takes a year, and the next year another family takes it? If the families were close it sure seems like it would be better.
Isn't it crazy to keep spending this kind of money on a broken system?..or more likely, the sytem is working just as designed. I will try another letter to the editor, but they usually don't print them unless they are giving praise to someone here.
-- Doreen (firstname.lastname@example.org), September 09, 2001.
How sad for our country:~(
-- Cindy (S.E.IN) (email@example.com), September 09, 2001.
"Isn't it crazy to keep spending this kind of money on a broken system?..or more likely, the sytem is working just as designed."
I lean towards the latter...it is working just as designed. There was a time when I thought it was simply broken, in need of repair, able to be fixed or redesigned. After years of research and looking into the whole system, I have fully concluded the gov't school system is functioning exactly as it has been intended to function. Some districts are less inundated...... but the foundational principles are all in place. It is simply a matter of time.
I agree Cindy, it is very sad.
Doreen, I think it would depend on which State the families reside in. In Missouri, a large % of core hours must be performed at the families home. I wonder though if several families could come together and institute a "private school." Then operate under that umbrella. Although I can only imagine the bur and red tape involved in that endeavor..ugh!
There are many families who come together for a certain number of hours...say, Biology. One parent teaches the course for a quarter to any number of children. A co-op, these are wonderful for homeschooling families!
I don't know why the above link is not working, I tried it again and it came up for me. Sorry I am not more help.
-- Wendy@GraceAcres (firstname.lastname@example.org), September 10, 2001.
-- Wendy@GraceAcres (email@example.com), September 10, 2001.
Yes keeping them home is an option, as long as these questions are answered in the home. As we raise our children their sexual orientation does come into play, I for one do not want my children learning about their straight or gayness from others, especially those with opinions that will make them feel less about themselves. The suicide rate amoung gay teens is astronomical. Unless this touches you it is easy to have this homophobe attitude. And is the reason parents are shocked, because their gay children certainly aren't coming to them when they hear Mom and Dad talking like this. God condems the sin not the sinner, and with no degrees of sin written down in the bible, I certainly don't see the preoccupation of someone else's sexual preference as a loving thing. It's just plain judgmental. Nobody forced these folks to attend this class/seminars, my children were not allowed to attend plays or be in school plays as youngsters, because they were reinactments of chrisitan beliefs of Mary and Jesus, not because we aren't Christian, but because not all of our school is. The Jewish chidren have no voice in southern public schools, and you can add any denomanation to that. School prayer is fine if you are Chrisitan, but prayers to Jesus when you are Jew, or to God if you are ....., are an outrage, especially when your tax money is paying for it. I am hoping that along with homeschooling, teaching of tollerance is also being taught, something the majority of the parents I know who homeschool would have to bring in an outside person to know the meaning of. You have CONTROL of your children for such a small amount of time in the grand scheme of their lives, whether homeschooled or public schooled, it is our responsibility to educate our children. How many of you have taught your children that you can catch HIV from oral sex? Have you sat down with your daughters and told them that pulling out, or comming outside you can still get you pregnant? Do you keep condoms in your house for your children to have access to? How old were you when you had your first sexual experience, and you think keeping your kids at home will somehow stop this? Or perhaps you pray more than your parents did for you? It really isn't who teaches our kids sex education, it is that someone does. And most parents are totally lacking in the skills to broach these subjects. I am the mother who takes other mothers children to get on birth control, and sadly it is usually after an abortion, or after they have been sexually active for sometime. Yes even homeschooled kids, find time to have sex. The saddest part of the kids around me is that few of the homeschooled kids in our area graduate or go onto to college. Most drop out, afterall when you homeschool to keep from having to buy school clothes, or discipline or homeschool so your children don't have to deal with the race issues at school, it ill prepares them for real life. I know there are wonderful homeschooled kids, my best friends have wonderful children and young adults. I also know that some are so sheltered that they go wild the first freedom they are given or they take. But I do think there has to be some type of regulation, geeze at the very least don't you think the adult teaching should she/he themselves have a highschool education? Should not these kids be tested at least basically, because they will have to test to get into college? It actually fightens me more that adults are shocked at the content of the previous post, rather than that children were given answers to questions they wrote down. Do you really think the questions came only after the information was given? I think it was more that the kids felt comfortable in the format to ask the questions they already had. Vicki
-- Vicki McGaugh (firstname.lastname@example.org), September 10, 2001.
You bring up some interesting and valid points, Vicki. While I do think that it is important to prepare your kids for life in the real world, I do NOT think instruction in fisting is necessary for anyone.
Yes, suicide rates for gay teens are absolutely horrific, and there are a number of reasons why, much more than just thinking you might be different from most, but all of that parental disappointment, fear of rejection, self hatred, and on and on. THAT needs to be addressed, as does the general and truthful facts of sex and it's ramifications on life overall. It doesn't need to be in school, it needs to be at home. That is the real and solid problem here,(in the issues raised by Vicki) the State is taking over parenting and it cannot do a good job of it.
Beyond truthful facts regarding SSD's, and reproduction, and general maturation does a teenager really need to know more? There are plenty of us, I think we figure it out on our own just fine, no?
-- Doreen (email@example.com), September 10, 2001.
"Yes keeping them home is an option, as long as these questions are answered in the home." as long as these questions are answered in the home.
What questions specifically? How do you propose compliance be accomplished?
"As we raise our children their sexual orientation does come into play, I for one do not want my children learning about their straight or gayness from others,"
My point exactly.
"especially those with opinions that will make them feel less about themselves."
Ditto. I would rather my kids not view themselves as no more than a rutting pig. I would not have them believe they are on par with a dog in heat. That we are indeed set apart by God himself, with the special ability to control our baser urges. That He himself has given us the ability to do so. That He has provided the avenue to express our God-given sexuality, that it is special and beautiful. Within the covenant of marriage. That without this special protection afforded within the marital covenant, we expose ourselves to heartache, disease, pregnancy, a broken spirit and a breaking down of decency.
" The suicide rate amoung gay teens is astronomical."
The sucicide rate among teens is astronomical as well. Studies have suggested/indicated that as the divorce rate rose, starting in the 70's, so has the rate of teen suicide. In addition, I concur with what Doreen suggested in regards gay teen suicide. Not to mention it is no great wonder to see our youth killing themselves at such a rapid rate. The culture of death, the loss of hope, the destruction of truth..Nothing is knowable, everything is subjective. The foundation of government as God, ever changing, unrighteous and corrupt. Adults who have no concept of honor, courage, sacrifice, commitment or God. Rather, they have chosen to glorify self. They honor compromise and hold fast to the lies.
"Unless this touches you it is easy to have this homophobe attitude."
I am weary of this type of attack. It is lazy and ill-conceived. I suggest, if you are "touched" by only this outward expression of despair and hopelessness, then you are sorely lacking in compassion. And as you would have us believe, filled with hate for these children.
"God condems the sin not the sinner, and with no degrees of sin written down in the bible,"
Agreed. But certainly the consequences of our sin vary in the degree of severity to ourselves, our families and our society. As a society we do not teach or encourage our youth to commit the sinful act of murder. We do not hold government sponsered events to train teachers in the art of weaving the acceptance of murder into the curriculum so that the barriers may be broken down and replaced with a societal acceptance of murder. This could be said for any number of sins. Adultery, Fornication, lying, thievery, ect...
"I certainly don't see the preoccupation of someone else's sexual preference as a loving thing. It's just plain judgmental. "
This is just so much nonsense. To suggest that we are all out here just sitting around fretting and preoccupied about the sexual preference of members of this society, is laughable. To suggest this, would indicate a lack of understanding of the onslaught ..we are in a defense mode, not an attack mode. You all have the right to believe what you will, so do those of us who do not hold to the belief that homosexuality is on par with heterosexuality. We have the right and the duty to hold to the standard set by our Savior, and certainly to try and protect our children from accepting as normal that which brings such heartache, despair, death and disease.
"Nobody forced these folks to attend this class/seminars,"
Are you seriously suggesting there was "full disclosure" to these parents? Read further to see what happened when a tape recorder was discovered to have been running during these sessions. Find out what lenghts these people went to, to prevent "full disclosure." Listen to the radio broadcast link I provided to hear for yourself.
" my children were not allowed to attend plays or be in school plays as youngsters, because they were reinactments of chrisitan beliefs of Mary and Jesus, not because we aren't Christian, but because not all of our school is. The Jewish chidren have no voice in southern public schools, and you can add any denomanation to that. School prayer is fine if you are Chrisitan, but prayers to Jesus when you are Jew, or to God if you are ....., are an outrage, especially when your tax money is paying for it."
Yes, we do live in a time such as this. I am sorry to say. There is so much division and confusion and deception in this country, we are no longer able to agree on a certain set of fundamental principles by which we are in agreement. That on the whole, these fundamental principles are what set us apart to begin with. We must now treat all beliefs as equal and equally worthy. Therefore, no one set of beliefs are held up above the others.
"I am hoping that along with homeschooling, teaching of tollerance is also being taught, something the majority of the parents I know who homeschool would have to bring in an outside person to know the meaning of."
Tolerance: The capacity for or practice of recognizing and respecting the opinions, practices or behavior of others.
I am sorry to disappoint you, but in addition to actually educating my children, we are training them to discern and recognize the fallacy of tolerance. That indeed we are commanded to love, that we must not ever hurt or inflict intentional pain on others. But, that we are also to recognize sin and never, ever tolerate (accept) sin, ANY sin, as normal and good. And work it into our national government in relation to govermental policy.
" You have CONTROL of your children for such a small amount of time in the grand scheme of their lives, whether homeschooled or public schooled, it is our responsibility to educate our children."
This contradicts your first statement. Do you then agree that parental authority supersedes that of the State? That children are the responsibility of the parents and NOT mere creatures of the State?
"How many of you have taught your children that you can catch HIV from oral sex? Have you sat down with your daughters and told them that pulling out, or comming outside you can still get you pregnant?"
This is indicative of the totalitarian mind-set in place today. These poor schmucky parents are clueless. WE know what the children need to know, and must not depend on the ignorant parents to transmit this information to their children. It is this very worldview that is the driving force behind such vile displays of "education" indicated in the above article. Thanks, but no thanks.
"Do you keep condoms in your house for your children to have access to?"
No. Any other questions?
"How old were you when you had your first sexual experience, and you think keeping your kids at home will somehow stop this?"
Well, I could say nunna busness, but I will refrain and offer instead I wish someone would have laid out the reasons to "wait for marriage." Other than, "because." I am all for full disclosure.
I need to stop now, as the World Trade Center has just been hit by 2 planes. Will follow up later...maybe.
-- Wendy@GraceAcres (firstname.lastname@example.org), September 11, 2001.
Great!! Thank you for posting your response - I agree with totally with all you said!
-- Terry - NW Ohio (email@example.com), September 11, 2001.
Wow Wendy. If my daughter (or any other children I'll have) listened to that, I would be one serioulsy pissed off dad. No two ways about it. They have a lot different view on sex (along with a lot of other things) then I do. I'm not even in the same ballpark with those people, not by a long shot.
I'm gonna try to homeschool my kids, or better yet, sent them to a good Christian school if I have the funds available. Chances are, they won't be learning trash like that there. I have no problem with basic sex ed. I took it, BUT things were different not so long ago. They also didn't have a lot of the 'programs' they do now. Scary.
-- Uriah (Uriahdeath2@netscape.net), September 13, 2001.
An MP3 File to the Fistgate tape is now available for download!
WARNING! This is quite graphic, deviant sexual perversion being taught by homosexuals IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL to children as young as 12 years old
What is Fistgate? Do a search on the internet using the keyword fistgate and visit these websites> http://www.parentsrightscoalition.org/ and http://www.parentsrightscoalition.org/Fistgate.htm and http://www.parentsrightscoalition.org/lawsuit.htm
For a FREE copy of the fistgate tape follow the directions on this page. It takes 4-6 weeks to arrive. http://www.massnews.com/tapes2.htm
Pass the mp3 file on to everyone you know who has children in public schools to warn them of the GAY STRAIGHT ALLIANCE CLUBS true agenda of recruitment (in my opinion).
-- Web Boss (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 24, 2002.
The reason that education is so expensive is simple. The salaries of the educational hierarchy is obscene. No school superintendent earns $2oo.ooo a year. Even the governor gets paid less that $1oo,ooo a year. Superintendents earn no more than $70,000 a year. BUT, they get paid so much that schools are closing. One would think that if the superintendents REALLY cared about their schools, BEFORE the school closes they would do the right thing. Cut their salaries and convert all perks into cash to be put back into the district. I would be willing to bet that if each school district did this there would be money left over.
-- Chris a. hoover (email@example.com), August 08, 2003.