Ilford Delta 200 : LUSENET : B&W Photo - Film & Processing : One Thread

Re. an earlier thread about Ilford Delta 200.

It seems that Ilford DID make a trial release of an Ilford Delta 200, I think in South America only. I have also been informed that they have no plans to release this film. I've always felt that a film that offers finer grain than a 400 film, but more speed than a 200 film, would be EXCELLENT. As someone who thinks he'd use this film a lot, I thought I'd see what the general consensus is.

Do you think you'd use such a film? Perhaps you could post your views - I know people from Ilford do look at this forum. If the view is positive, maybe we could influence their decision not to release it! Please respond if you have a view...

-- Ed Hurst (, July 12, 2001


I meant, of course, more speed than a 100 film!

-- Ed Hurst (, July 12, 2001.

In all likelihood the Delta 200 was batch of 400 that was a production run experiment or variation that tested at a slower speed. The grain is probably the same as the 400. I would not expect Ilford to confirm this even if it was true.

Furthermore, I am getting a little tired of people who think that having one more film (paper, developer, etc.) will transform their photographic experience into nirvana. What are you using, a pinhole camera? Don't you have a shutter speed and aperture adjustments? There are only two stops between Delta 100 and 400. Do we need a separate film for every different exposure? We all seem to lust after what we don't already have, but we quickly become bored with it once we get it. Ed, please don't take this personally.

-- Michael Feldman (, July 12, 2001.

Why not use a 400 Asa film exposed at 200? Give it 30% less time in the developer, and you will get finer grain and better shadow detail.

-- Shlomo Herschel-Levy (, July 12, 2001.

yes. I will buy it. I think that there are only three b/w 200 iso- speed films but 200 iso is an very practical iso. And Ilford is the #1 in the world of the black and white. It will be interesting

-- Hubert Noreau-S (, July 12, 2001.

Ed and Hubert,

Just out of curiosity, what is the primary B&W film you are using now?

-- Michael Feldman (, July 12, 2001.

I think a 200 speed Ilford would be an excellent idea, not as another film to add to my camera bag, but as the one film I would use in place of D100 and D400. It just so happens that given the type of pictures I take and the kind of enlarging I do, a little less grain than D400, good sharpness, and a little more speed than D100 would make the perfect alround film (for me!). As far as I know there is no development technique than can deliver these without compromising some film characteristic (except maybe pyro???).

I know there are 200 ASA films around from other manufactureres but I dont believe they are easily available in Australia.


-- George Paltoglou (, July 12, 2001.

I have felt the need for an ISO 200 B&W film for some time. It would allow an extra stop for using a deep yellow #15 filter and still allow using a small aperture when needed, with a high enough shutter speed. Kodak used to make a double-X (XX) film rated at 200 (as I recall). It would be a welcome addition. In fact, if XX were subjected to the same upgrading over time that Tri-X has received, it would probably be a great film!

-- Bob Fleischman (, July 12, 2001.

Michael, Not taken personally, I can assure you. I appreciate your perspective, but beg to point out that there may be the odd individual who may not share the conviction that it is the only one that matters. The desire for a 200 is a wish to make small incremental improvement in some situations, rather than expecting it to transform the world. I use the New Delta 400 mostly, but occasionally use the 100 as well. I appreciate that films can be up or down rated to 200, but it is not unreasonable to expect a true 200 to be marginally superior to doing this (assuming a 200 film were to be a true 200 of course!).

-- Ed Hurst (, July 13, 2001.

These days, companies are dropping great films from their lines due to lack of sales. I would rather have APX 25 back (Delta 25 anyone?) than Delta 200.

-- Tim Brown (, July 13, 2001.

If you guys really want a 200 speed film, why don't you buy some of the new Bergger 35mm/36exp just introduce to the US ?

-- Garry D. Lewis (, July 13, 2001.

Is it available in 120? Is it as good as the Delta range? [And I live in the UK!]

-- Ed Hurst (, July 13, 2001.

Someone recently here asked about developing Agfa Scala (200 b+w reversal film) as negative. Maybe an area for investigation.

Richard K please take a day off!

-- john stockdale (, July 13, 2001.

I would standardize on Delta 200 if it became available. 200 is a good general purpose ISO index, fast enough for good DOF when needed & fine enough grain for cropped 11X14's in 35mm. Until Delta 200 is introduced I will continue using 100 Delta & Delta 400 as appropriate.

-- Robert Orofino (, July 14, 2001.

Finer grain than Delta 400 - I'd rather shoot HP5+ in 645 than Delta 200 in 35mm format.

I would rather appreciate if Ilford could make a close copy of Panatomic-X, APX25 or at least Plus-X on thicker film base in 120/220 formats.

-- Ryuji Suzuki (, July 15, 2001.

Who the hell is "Richard K" and why does he need a day off? This thread's been going on for 4 days and he hasn't clocked in yet. (I love the internet, it's better than prime time on "Must see Thursday").. t

-- txp120 (, July 15, 2001.

try Edwal FG7 with the sodium sulfite shooter, it generally kicks film speed up about 2/3 stop (it works well with HIE and HP5, but I've never tried it with the new pink films)... t

-- tom meyer (, July 15, 2001.

Could Richard K be Richard Knoppow, one of the smartest guys on* USENET? I wish he would come over to this community.

-- Tim Brown (, July 16, 2001.

Yes, you're quite right. My reference to Richard K was in the wrong place! For those who don't know of him, he very often steps in with a complete and satisfying answer when a thread is floundering, often writing more than he intended to do.

-- john stockdale (, July 16, 2001.

Some people would like a 200 Delta. Others think it's unnecessary and would find another solution. Others see no need at all. Others have other priorities.

But would there be enough interest to justify making it for those who do see the point, and do want it? Who knows! I'm biased, and it seems to me that there's been quite a lot of interest...

-- Ed Hurst (, July 17, 2001.

I will pass along all the comments to the appropriate people within ILFORD. However, from what I have heard, the Delta 200 is not noticably better than the new version of the Delta 400 in regards to grain, so I think that is why there are no current plans to produce the film. Perhaps your input will cause enough interest to conduct further trials.

As for very slow films (like a Panatomic X or APX25 replacment) ILFORD currently produces Pan F, which at an ISO of 50 is the slowest film widely distributed. It would be very difficult to justify making an additional film that was even slower, as this would probably lead to very few new customers, and mainly cannabilize the Pan F sales.

David Carper ILFORD Technical Service

-- David Carper (, July 17, 2001.

>Is it available in 120? Is it as good as the Delta range? [And I live >in the UK!]

>-- Ed Hurst (, July 13, 2001.

Here is the posting from John Horowy of Bergger-

Thanks for your interest in Bergger Products.

BRF200 is available in the following:

120 / 10 pack $ 27.95 plus shipping/handling 35mm/36 exposure / 10 pack $ 43.50 plus shipping/ handling

I accept all major credit cards.

Please submit the following information to process the order:

Film size and quantity (sold in 10 packs only) Shipping address and phone number Credit card information including expiration date

If you have a problem with email, we can be reached via phone or fax for orders: Phone 815-282-9876 Fax 815-282-2982

Best Regards,

John Horowy Bergger Products, Inc.

-- Garry D. Lewis (, July 19, 2001.

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