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what paper gives the warmest tone....thats deep blacks and warm browns....regards michel

-- michel bayard (michelbayard@webtv.net), June 12, 2001

Answers

Michel, In my opinion its Polywarmtone glossy developed in either Forte's WT developer or Agfa's WT. The emulsion is a deep rich brown especially nice when given a quick tone with selenium. Regards,

-- Trevor Crone (trevor.crone@uk.dreamcast.com), June 13, 2001.

I don't know about "warmest" but I have always liked Agfa Portriga toned in selenium. For whiter whites, Ilford MG Warmtone toned in selenium (1:4) is pretty nice.

-- Ed Buffaloe (edb@unblinkingeye.com), June 13, 2001.

Agfa Insignia is a lovely paper. deepest blacks i've seen in a warm tone and bright whites. the only drawback is that its not the "warmest," though it is very rich. and tones beautifully in selenium. and with a high dilution, 1:4 or 1:5 makes a subtle split tone (this happens very quickly within 2 minutes. it can be hard to find this paper, and it is rather expensive. and graded. #2 works best for most needs - #3 being much more contrasty.

-- James L. (jl@mollymail.com), June 13, 2001.

Michel: You need to try the Bergger VCCBS developed for 2 minutes in Gevaert G.262 diluted 1+1.

-- Ken Burns (kenburns@twave.net), June 13, 2001.

Greetings,

If its "deep blacks and warm browns" you want, then try Cachet's Multibrom Warmtone. It's standard B&W, but on a cream colored paper base. Deep blacks reproduce as such, but anything with less density lets the cream colored base show through. Personally, I would only use this paper for certain neg's/look. My favorite warmtone paper is Forte Polywarmtone. As was previously stated it tones to a beautiful rich brown in selenium rather quickly.

Regards,

-- Pete Caluori (pcaluori@hotmail.com), June 13, 2001.



Michael

I would echo other responses and say that Forte Polywarmtone is capable of deep blacks, however I found that the warm browns were more olive than brown. With regard to toning in selenium, take care. This paper responds very quickly and can (if your not carefule) give you an unpleasant brown/red colour. Also it split tones very readily which means that the shadows and darker mid tones change colour but the highlights don't. For some reason I could never really take to this paper toned in selenium, it just did not look right. If you find the olive tone of the untoned paper not to your taste then try toning it in Gold toner.

Adrian

-- Adrian Twiss (avtwiss@ukonline.co.uk), June 14, 2001.


Bergger makes some excellent papers & their warm tone graded paper developed in Afga Neutol WA or a Glycin based developer will work well. Forte Polywarmtone is a nice one as well.

-- Dan Smith (shooter@brigham.net), June 15, 2001.

"the warmest tone..."

first, define "warm". OK, I guess you did by saying "warm browns". In that case try Fortezo or Forte Polywarmtone Plus. I've experimented with Ilford warmtone, the 2 Forte papers mentioned, and Berrger FB warm recently. I'm not an expert on any but hers my .02. The Berrger is warm in a green kind of way, no matter which developer I used is still was green to some degree. very nice if thats what you are looking for. I didnt care for Ilford, its also green but not as pleasing as Bergger IMO. Its more of a pallid, sickly green, while Bergger is a thicker, more robust green. My favorite is the Forte papers, and especially the PW+, in BW-65. The BW-65 eliminates most of the greenish tendency and left me with what I wanted-warmth without a hideous green cast. Others apparently arrive at similar results using different papers and toning, but I'm lazy and like to get there in the fewest possible steps.

-- Wayne (wsteffen@skypoint.com), June 16, 2001.


I concur with the votes for Forte Elegance Polywarmtone Plus FB. I recommend Ethol LPD 1:5 for warm tones. This will yield a print with a nice brown tonality, but with a touch of olive. Selenium will remove the olive just slightly before you notice a deepening of the d- max. Very quickly thereafter, as some have already suggested, the tones will turn deeper brown, to chocolately-brown, to very warm reddish brown. I use selenium 1:10 for 2-3 minutes and watch the print very carefully and yank it quickly. I would suggest trying a weaker solution of selenium for starters. I should say that Forte's product notes (which I read afterward) suggest a 1:20 ratio.

In any case, if you don't mind the slight olive tone, you may skip selenium altogether. Personally, I love what selenium does to this paper, as long as the toning doesn't go too far. Also, what paper developer you choose makes a significant difference in the tonal color with Forte PLUS. For example, BW-65 produced a more neutral tone compared to the warmtone of LPD 1:5. If you discover a developer that gets rid of the olive tinge, please let me know.

-- Ted Kaufman (writercrmp@aol.com), July 01, 2001.


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