For eight years, I was often surprised by the vitriol aimed at President Clinton. He was a gifted politician, charismatic and amoral. On the policy side, Clinton was far more conservative than many New Deal-style liberals. His biggest policies successes were issued he coopted from the Republicans like NAFTA and welfare reform. It's hard to imagine Clinton's sexual escapades were any worse than say, John F. Kennedy's. Yes, he lied under oath but this is hardly the first example of a president breaking the law. In short, Clinton was not a man you'd want alone with your daughter, but he managed to make it through his two terms without running the Republic aground.

The anti-Bush rhetoric is equally vitrolic and just as irrational. Bush lacks Clinton's charisma and political skills, but he seems more willing to assemble competent people and delegate responsibility. The Clinton White House was a perpetual all-nighter with a President who wanted to micro-manage details. While liberals may not like the political leanings of his cabinet, the Bush team is doing a reasonable job of running the government, building consensus for legislative initiatives and keep the Republic afloat. The hue and cry over Bush is more about what liberals suspect he might do rather than what he has done. In short, it's way too soon to measure Bush as a president, but odds are we'll all survive the experience.

Finally, the children of both men have absolutely nothing to do with the governance of this country. They are not public figures by choice, but only through the political ambitions of their parents. Attacking Mr. Bush or Mr. Clinton through their daughters shows a complete lack of character.

-- Remember (the@ld.forum.com), May 31, 2001

Answers

Read the FERC story directly above your post and come back to us. Kenneth Lay is one of Bush's best friends.

-- Bush Is Truly Corrupt (energy@interests.com), May 31, 2001.

I suppose you think Bush's giving $43 million dollars to the Taliban, thte most horrific terrorist group in the world today, is somehow just.

-- Hmmm? (denial@shame.com), May 31, 2001.

As opposed to say Clinton selling our country to the Peoples Republic of China?

-- Telinet (like@it.is), May 31, 2001.

Newsflash for Telisnot

-- (bush@twofaced.scum), May 31, 2001.

TELINET,As opposed to say Clinton selling our country to the Peoples Republic of China? Uther than right wing innuendo, where is any prrof Clinton sold out to China> Did China give to his campaign and he give them a place in his administration? Did he allow then to dictate national policy? You repeat stuff you hear someone else say, but you canot sow that he sold out to China. Basically, you are just perpitrating a lie.

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), May 31, 2001.

I love it, people going crazy for/against Bush/Clinton. This would all be a moot point if the Federal government did not have the level of control over our lives as it does now.

-- libs are idiots (moreinterpretation@ugly.com), May 31, 2001.

"Attacking Mr. Bush or Mr. Clinton through their daughters shows a complete lack of character."

Make no mistake about it, Jenna Bush, and probably Barbara too, is an alcoholic BECAUSE of her father. If he were any kind of a man he would take responsibility for his selfish actions, and help his daughters through the proper counseling so that they understand their illness before they get in serious trouble or kill an innocent person.

-- (Dumbya is @ low class. white trash), May 31, 2001.

Cherri, I would love to respond to your input as soon as I can figure out what you are trying to say. As much as you post here, I am disappointed that you don’t check your words more carefully. Or perhaps we don’t merit the respect.

-- Telinet (like@it.is), May 31, 2001.

Good post Remember.

Dumb answers.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), May 31, 2001.

Remember, but it's fun to watch the dems fall all over themselves trying to attack Bush. For eight years I cringed every time the repubs would speak. They inserted their foot each time. Now with Gray Davis (and other dems), I just smile; fumes come out their nostrils but they can't put a decent sentence together. Their logic fails them every time. Environmentalists give Bush a D; what a laugh!

I agree, the kids should be left out of the crossfire.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 01, 2001.

As opposed to say Clinton selling our country to the Peoples Republic of China?

He's not the one that gave China one of our spy planes.

-- (here@haveA.spyPlane), June 01, 2001.

I agree with Carlos.

And, just in case it may have escaped anyone's notice, Republicans and Democrats are simply two horns on the head of the same beast.

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), June 03, 2001.

Hey, Hardass is back!

Not suprised that you would agree with Carlos, dickhead.

Hardhead said this...

"And, just in case it may have escaped anyone's notice, Republicans and Democrats are simply two horns on the head of the same beast."

ROTFLMAO!! That's what you Repugs always say when your hypocrisy is exposed! You slander the Democrats for 8 years, then when the Repugs are caught doing something shitty, it's because they are part of the "same beast" as the Democrats!!

BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAHAHAHAAAAHAAA!!!!

That is WEAK Hardass, REALLY WEAK!!

Will you Repugnants EVER learn to take responsibility for your actions? Since you have no balls, I doubt it.

-- (Hypocrisy is the norm @ in. Dumbya's world), June 03, 2001.

Good grief, 'Hypo', you really need some help here.

In the unlikely event that you possess even a modicum of rationality or objectivity, I offer you a bit.

Arguments that consist only of unsupported assertion, incorrect use of the language, invalid logic, personal attacks and shouted maniacal laughter are not very effective.

Perhaps you would care to argue the contention that former senator Packwood (Republican) and former president Clinton are of the same moral calibre?

Hint: You'll need to cease your 'rolling on the floor' antics and and use a few neurons if you hope to come up with anything credible.

Oh, and by the way, I am neither Republican nor Democrat. . .

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), June 03, 2001.

Sheesh, just what we need, another "born-again" Libertarian.

You and J and the rest of the closet Repugs bash Clinton for 8 years, show undying support for Dumbya, then when he shows his true colors you all of a sudden become Libertarians!

LMAO!!

-- (Repugs are @ spineless. traitors), June 03, 2001.

I've got some apparently disappointing information for you. . .

I am neither 'born again' nor Libertarian either and the only time I go in my closet is when I need something from it.

You've a hopeless task in trying to find support on my part (let alone 'undying') for Mr. Bush because it's not there and I've never expressed such either. He's got plenty of time and enough 'rope' to hang himself with though. 'Remember' got it just exactly right when they said, ". . .it's way too soon to measure Bush . . ."

I can't actually say I know who 'J' is, but he can't be all bad if he's been bashing Clinton for 8 years.

I have absolutely no use for either of the Clintons, but because of who and what they are -- not because they happen to be Democrats. If you're interested enough, you'll find plenty of my opinions and evaluations about them both on the old forum.

Do you have the ability to present any reasoned argument and/or debate, or are you limited to insults and unsupported assertion?

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), June 03, 2001.

What party DO you support then Hardass?

Please don't tell me you're a Greenie either, I've seen your narrow-minded rhetoric from days long gone, and they wouldn't want your support.

-- (Hardass @ the. one man revolution), June 03, 2001.

As a natural born optimist, I'd hoped the 2-year-olds here would quickly tire of posting uninformed hatred. After all, it's impossible to get any discussion started on any serious topic if all we have to work with is empty ranting and raving.

Real politics is involved with countless difficult tradeoffs. A pure strategy can never work in any case, and while some policies might work better than others in the opinion of the majority, NO policy is without costs that even its supporters might wish they didn't have to pay. So the opportunity for intelligent and mature analysis is endless and endlessly rewarding.

And instead, what we have is people who have decided that sincere people in politics wrestling with difficult issues are *really* God and Satan incarnate. Just mention the words "Bush" or "Clinton" and these people come crawling out to howl reflexively, with no visible conception of any of the issues at all. These people are their own worst enemies.

Still, I gotta give them credit for perseverence (and enough sense of shame to remain resolutely anonymous).

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), June 03, 2001.

Not exactly Flint. It was the rightwing blowhards who started spewing the "Clinton is Satan" bile several years ago, and wouldn't shutup until he was out of the White House. I don't believe Clinton is God, I just think these assholes need a healthy dose of their own medicine. Since they are already whining, it's clear that they can dish it out but they can't take it!

-- (you can thank @ the. repugnants), June 03, 2001.

" It was the rightwing blowhards who started spewing the "Clinton is Satan" bile several years ago, and wouldn't shutup until he was out of the White House. I don't believe Clinton is God, I just think these assholes need a healthy dose of their own medicine. Since they are already whining, it's clear that they can dish it out but they can't take it! "

If it was stupid for them to dish it out, is it any smarter for you to dish it out?

-- Glinda, the Good Wench (v@n.m), June 03, 2001.

Glinda, they accuse the repugliconmen of hypocrisy while they incessantly demonstrate it.

-- Felix (the@bad.lawyer), June 03, 2001.

"If it was stupid for them to dish it out, is it any smarter for you to dish it out?"

Who said anything about being smart?

It's FUN!!

-- LMAO!! (revenge@is.sweet!), June 03, 2001.

Subtle revenge is more interesting and challenging.

-- Glinda the Good Wench (v@n.m), June 03, 2001.