George Bush's Energy Special-Interest Protection Plan
The Bush energy strategy released on Thursday, May 17 is a special-interest protection plan, which does nothing to help working families cope with rising gas prices.
A Pipeline of Profits: George Bush's answer to high prices at the pump? Use the money saved in his tax cut to pay for them. So George Bush admits that his tax cut plan is nothing more than a pipeline of profits from the White House to the wealthy oil companies that put him in office. In effect, George Bush is cutting a $100 billion check from the U.S. Treasury to big oil.
The $100 billion stimulus was the only part of Bush's tax cut plan that was targeted to the middle class. So not only are the wealthy oil executives getting their own trillion dollar tax cut…now they're getting your tax cut too. And as it turns out, the $100 billion stimulus won't even be enough to pay for higher gas prices. Higher gas prices are expected to cost American consumers $130 billion. So that's another $30 billion coming out of the hide of working families and into the pockets of big oil.
Grand Old Petroleum: It's no surprise that the Bush Administration should come up with such a plan. Look who's sitting at the Cabinet table and making the key decisions. Vice President Cheney, Secretary of Energy Abraham, three other Cabinet members and several sub-Cabinet officials all have close ties to the energy industry, as did nearly two-thirds of the Bush transition's Energy Advisory Team.
Bush to California: Drop Dead: California is ground zero of the energy crisis. And Bush has essentially told California to drop dead. He has not lifted a finger to help Californians, who face a long summer of rolling blackouts. Californians are sending out an all-points bulletin: where is George Bush? 117 days into his Administration, he has yet to visit the state even once.
Conservation: Rhetoric v. Reality: Just a few weeks after dismissing as "naïve" the notion that conservation could be an effective part of a national energy strategy, the Bush Administration is now trying to reinvent itself as a champion of energy efficiency.
The Bush Energy Plan: It's for the Special Interests…but It Just Isn't for Us.
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George Bush's Energy Special-Interest Protection Plan
The Bush energy strategy released on Thursday, May 17 is a special-interest protection plan, which does nothing to help working families cope with rising gas prices.
A Pipeline of Profits: George Bush's answer to high prices at the pump? Use the money saved in his tax cut to pay for them. So George Bush admits that his tax cut plan is nothing more than a pipeline of profits from the White House to the wealthy oil companies that put him in office. In effect, George Bush is cutting a $100 billion check from the U.S. Treasury to big oil.
The $100 billion stimulus was the only part of Bush's tax cut plan that was targeted to the middle class. So not only are the wealthy oil executives getting their own trillion dollar tax cut…now they're getting your tax cut too. And as it turns out, the $100 billion stimulus won't even be enough to pay for higher gas prices. Higher gas prices are expected to cost American consumers $130 billion. So that's another $30 billion coming out of the hide of working families and into the pockets of big oil.
Grand Old Petroleum: It's no surprise that the Bush Administration should come up with such a plan. Look who's sitting at the Cabinet table and making the key decisions. Vice President Cheney, Secretary of Energy Abraham, three other Cabinet members and several sub-Cabinet officials all have close ties to the energy industry, as did nearly two-thirds of the Bush transition's Energy Advisory Team.
Bush to California: Drop Dead: California is ground zero of the energy crisis. And Bush has essentially told California to drop dead. He has not lifted a finger to help Californians, who face a long summer of rolling blackouts. Californians are sending out an all-points bulletin: where is George Bush? 117 days into his Administration, he has yet to visit the state even once.
Conservation: Rhetoric v. Reality: Just a few weeks after dismissing as "naïve" the notion that conservation could be an effective part of a national energy strategy, the Bush Administration is now trying to reinvent itself as a champion of energy efficiency.
The Bush Energy Plan: It's for the Special Interests…but It Just Isn't for Us.
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www.grandoldpetroleum.com
-- (Grand Old Farties @ stinking. the place up), May 20, 2001
Answers
www.grandoldpetroleum.com
-- proper link (replacing@boo.boo), May 20, 2001.
Remember the Tax Cut Bush Promised You?
 If you're in the middle class, Bush and the
Republicans want you to take the meager tax cut they're promising and
turn it over to the oil and gas companies -- the same ones that are
already making millions from the high gas prices.
Bush said last week that the solution to high gas prices for
average Americans was for them to use the money from the tax cut and
spend it at the pump.
The problem is that the Bush plan provides $100 billion in the next
year. If gas prices go up a dollar - like many predict - then that
will cost Americans $130 billion. That's right: It goes in one
pocket and out the other -- straight to the oil and gas
companies.
Bush's tax plan is tilted toward special interests. His energy plan
is tilted toward special interests. Meanwhile, Republicans have done
nothing for average Americans who are paying out the nose every time
they fill up.
Bush and the Republicans: these guys just aren't for us.
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-- (Gee@thanks.Dumbass!), May 20, 2001.
-- (bye-bye@tax.refund), May 20, 2001.
Bush to California: Drop Dead: California is ground zero of
the energy crisis. And Bush has essentially told California to drop
dead. He has not lifted a finger to help Californians, who face a
long summer of rolling blackouts. Californians are sending out an all-
points bulletin: where is George Bush? 117 days into his
Administration, he has yet to visit the state even once.
If the lights go out in California, it will be lights out for George
Bush and the Grand Old Petroleum Party when they face voters at the
polls
This is a bald face lie folks..... California's problems just
happened in the last 117 days??? Come on!! We were NOT born
yesterday!!! This energy situation has been brewing for the past 10
years and WHO was president for 8 of those years??? Let me refresh
your memory, it was KLINTON and BORE, I mean gore!! Where was Bill's
leadership during the beginning of this crisis??? Where... no WHAT
is Clinton's energy policy????? This is Clinton's mess, not
Dubya's!! I am NO fan of Bush, but how about a little honesty here
folks or aren't we really interested in solving these issues.
California created its own problems by its piss poor plan for de-
regulation. I have faith in the majority of the people of that state
to know the truth. and I really don't give a damn what the ultra
liberals who are now beating their chest in indignation have to say!
-- Rob (celtic64@mindspring.com), May 21, 2001.
Nice try Rob, but no cigar. You can't just keep spewing the
propoganda spin of the Repugligoon administration and expect
intelligent people to buy into it. There is PLENTY of power available
for California. The problem is that Dumbya's greedy bastard friends
jacked the price of wholesale juice through the roof as soon as he was
manipulated into power by the Supreme Coup Clowns. All part of a
staged "energy crisis" to help implement their agenda to hoard the
rest of our precious resources and gluttonize themselves sick with
filthy stinking disgustingly excessive profits.
-- (oil and energy fat cats are disgusting pigs @ and. Dumbya is their favorite stooge), May 21, 2001.
Problem is INTERSTATE commerce. FERC is the body which regulates the
INTERSTATE dealings of Energy. They have sat and basically not done a
damn thing since the Coup. THIS IS why the Crisis. Other factors are
very real but nothing really even ordinary and seen in many other
states in America.
Complex issue this. However only the really uninformed buy into the
bs you spewed Rob. Go spend 30 minutes at the FERC website, see what you think.
Ask yourself if they have really done anything put released some thin
PRs excusing away their responsibility. Ask yourself why MOST Western
Governors have asked for Regulatory Action be taken, over and over
again.
Ask yourself if wholesale rates 100+times the going rates elsewhere
are anything but plain Extortion. Ask yourself if the FERC Mission
Statement has been adhered to in California.
The Commission regulates key interstate aspects of the electric
power, natural gas, oil pipeline, and hydroelectric industries. The
Commission chooses regulatory approaches that foster competitive
markets whenever possible, assures access to reliable service at a
reasonable price, and gives full and fair consideration to
environmental and community impacts in assessing the public interest
of energy projects.
See if rolling black-outs and electricity rates double and triple the
average indicate to you "resonable" and "reliable".
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.org), May 21, 2001.
Rob, you are dealing with people who no longer are able to think for
themselves. They get preached to at their union halls that the GOP
is against the common man, so with their lack of proper discernment,
they get online and parrot this propaganda to everyone who will
listen.
-- this is getting old fast (really@really.fast), May 21, 2001.
eyeroller,
Please show me the Clinton energy plan/policy for any year of his
term. Please show me how this IS NOT a capacity issue, which we have
talked about ad infinitum in the past. California HAS NOT built a
new power station in decades, its transmission lines cannot
adequately handle the greatly increased use. The western states that
have planned ahead, like my state of Arizona are doing fine.
California had serious troubles last year and Clinton was still
President for the whole year, where was he?? Market forces are at
work here and only market forces will solve these issues, deal with
it! Don't punish the rest of us for pisspoor planning! Massive
mistakes have been made by ALL involved. You can buy the liberal bs
being pumped out, but I have yet to hear one workable solution
offered up by any liberal, other than *price caps* which are a
disaster for us all.
-- Rob (celtic64@mindspring.com), May 21, 2001.
How was planning in California a Clinton concern? I think what you
phony Conservatives might want to entertain is Clinton/Gore were the
actual Conservatives. Why didn't Bill have his own "Energy Agenda"?
Maybe cause he believed in the markets? Naive as that maybe in this
world of Monopolies? If GW thinks the markets can DO IT, why haven't
they to this point? or have they? so why this big need for Federal
intervention?
You might also do yourself right to understand the roads a California
took, an Arizona took, had similar goals. Most of *your* "over
capacity" is a direct result of having more to sell Californians by
design, you do understand this, don't you? Do you think this was by
accident?
Again, the lack of generating capacity argument is a ruse. It fails
to understand the strategy planners used in California. What makes
more sense? Fight the "greenies"(epa), and build a zillion
little "clean" plants scattered around Cali, or encourage nearby
states with acres of wide-open deserts to build plants to supply
California? Your view the lack of building a big blunder is actually
the strategy that was used.
The wager on all this was that the FERC would do the job it is
commanded to do by LAW. Which is to act in a Federal way and regulate
INTERSTATE commerce to assure a fair playing field. It has chosen not
to under this rogue regime of George W Bush.
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.org), May 21, 2001.
I love your comment that "price caps" are a disaster for all of us
Rob. Ahh, in case you been away of late, we ALREADY have the disaster.
That be it from this corner, I do not have the time or desire
to "chat" with stupid people, good day.
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.org), May 21, 2001.
How was planning in California a Clinton concern? I think what you
phony Conservatives might want to entertain is Clinton/Gore were the
actual Conservatives. Why didn't Bill have his own "Energy Agenda"?
Maybe cause he believed in the markets? Naive as that maybe in this
world of Monopolies? If GW thinks the markets can DO IT, why haven't
they to this point? or have they? so why this big need for Federal
intervention?
You might also do yourself right to understand the roads a California
took, an Arizona took, had similar goals. Most of *your* "over
capacity" is a direct result of having more to sell Californians by
design, you do understand this, don't you? Do you think this was by
accident?
Again, the lack of generating capacity argument is a ruse. It fails
to understand the strategy planners used in California. What makes
more sense? Fight the "greenies"(epa), and build a zillion
little "clean" plants scattered around Cali, or encourage nearby
states with acres of wide-open deserts to build plants to supply
California? Your view the lack of building a big blunder is actually
the strategy that was used.
The wager on all this was that the FERC would do the job it is
commanded to do by LAW. Which is to act in a Federal way and regulate
INTERSTATE commerce to assure a fair playing field. It has chosen not
to under this rogue regime of George W Bush.
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.org), May 21, 2001.
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I love your comment that "price caps" are a disaster for all of us
Rob. Ahh, in case you been away of late, we ALREADY have the
disaster.
That be it from this corner, I do not have the time or desire
to "chat" with stupid people, good day.
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.org), May 21, 2001.
WHat???????? You just type and type but have nothing to say, I have
asked you twice to prove certain aspects of your ridiculous post, but
you cannot, so in typical liberal fashion you resort to name
calling. At least I have the conviction to put my real name and real
address behind what I have to say... maybe if you got a back-bone and
did the same and started posting proof, we could actually have a
serious discussion....
-- Rob (celtic64@mindspring.com), May 22, 2001.
I love your comment that "price caps" are a disaster for all of us
Rob. Ahh, in case you been away of late, we ALREADY have the
disaster.
That be it from this corner, I do not have the time or desire
to "chat" with stupid people, good day.
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.org), May 21, 2001.
::THUD::: oh good grief!! Let's go over this one more
pathetic time, eyeroller... California imposed *forced* price caps
when it deregulated several years ago, it also forced its utilites to
sell of their generating capacity. IF I cannot produce what I am
selling, cannot buy future contracts at lower rates, and cannot
charge my customers the real price of what I am paying, why would I
want to stay doing business in california? If I continue to run a
business under those situations, I will be bankrupt very shortly, as
is the case now.....
Oh by the way, very little of Arizona's excess capacity goes to feed
California, so please try to get some of your facts straight, but you
won't use your real name and address, so why should I expect you to
care about the truth!?!
-- Rob (celtic64@mindspring.com), May 22, 2001.
Duke energy raised their prices for wholesale power to California from
$300 per killowat/hour to $1900 just since Dumbass took office. This
has got nothing to do with deregulation, except that they are taking
advantage of it because they know Dumbass is on their side. It is
CORPORATE TERRORISM, plain and simple.
-- (get @ clue. ignoranus), May 22, 2001.
Oh really?? and Duke ONLY does business with California, right??
Maybe California should have thought about that before they embarked
on their failed deregulation plan, ya think??? Obviously, the market
supports these high prices for a reason, GET A CLUE and then maybe we
can do something for the long term!! (and get a back bone!!)
-- Rob (celtic64@mindspring.com), May 22, 2001.
http://www.p
wenergy.com/who/powerplants/paloverde/
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.over), May 22, 2001.
yes eyeroller? your point on Palo Verde Nuclear power plant would be
what???? Several companies have a stake in that plant since it was
built more than two decades ago, so?? Hasn't helped california out
has it?? Hmm, let's see... we get x amount of power from palo
verde, but our population has grown at 3x for the past decade....
unless you went to one of those funky liberal colleges, 3x DOES NOT
equal x...... nice try, though, but you gotta do better....
-- Rob (celtic64@mindspring.com), May 22, 2001.
The Owners
The Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station is owned by seven
Southwestern utilities. APS Generation operates the plant for the
owners. Operating costs and electrical output of the plant are
divided based on ownership share.
Arizona Public Service 29.1%
Salt River Project 17.5%
El Paso Electric 15.8%
Southern California Edison 15.8%
Public Service Company of New Mexico 10.2%
Southern California Public Power Authority 5.9%
Los Angeles Department of Water & Power 5.7%
This is from the link eyeroller posted. Eyeroller is trying to prove
that Arizona has extra electricity from Palo Verde. Clearly, if
eyeroller would have read up on what was on the website, it is clear
that palo verde has been producing electricity for a few California
utilities for the past 20+ years.
You still don't get it, do you eyeroller? THERE HAS BEEN NO NEW
CAPACITY BUILT FOR CALIFORNIA!
-- Rob (celtic64@mindspring.com), May 22, 2001.
P
ower Plant Projects Before the California Energy Commission Since
1979
May not seem like much, but the combined output of all these plants
is MORE than the largest single power plant in the US, Palo Verde.
One should also consider that from 1994 to 1998 nothing happened on
the "new plant" area because of the uncertainty about the shape and
form of the California Deregulation Plan.
Now what was that bout no new plants being built?
Keep trying Rob, I gots tons more for ya.
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.over), May 22, 2001.
Oh very good, eyeroller, now you can finally shut up! Nice try! and
GET A CLUE....
This means nothing as it is obvious to anyone with half a brain cell
that California DOES NOT HAVE the capacity to meet their needs,
understand??? 3x does not equal x, period.
Keep it coming, I find the attempts of any liberals to stop squirming
very funny.....
-- Rob (celtic64@mindspring.com), May 22, 2001.
California
Power Plants In-State Installed Capacity in Megawatts August 1998
Previous Energy Commission Peak Electricity Demand Forecasts
These two links deal with PEAK demand periods. Normal California
use rates are between 29,000MWs and 41,000MWs based on my own
monitoring for the past 6 months using this this link.
So how can a state which appears to have a comfortable cushion be in
such a pinch? Well try this link for further clues....Statewide Average Daily Forced or
Scheduled Megawatts Off-Line by Month, 1999-2001 . Take 15,000MWs
off 53,000MWs of capacity and you can see the problem.
Why are so many plants offline? Age? or could if have something to do
with the fact many of these plants were sold off to the exact same
out-of-state folks who now sell California their Natural Gas to run
said plants? No question many factors play into this, many legit.
However I doubt most of these plants offline by sheer coincidence.
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.over), May 22, 2001.
tag off, hopefully.
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.over), May 22, 2001.
What do I mean pinch? What are the implications of these graphs and
data?
Well if the IN-State capacity is lacking, due to "mysterious" offline
conditions, where do you think California is forced to go? Yep the
same folks who own the plants under these mysterious offline
conditions is where. California is required to go to the spot market
and buy power to make-up the difference. At rates up to 500times the
going rate for power, all things being equal, which they are not even
close to being in this deregulation mess in California.
This is Extortion, is it not?
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.over), May 22, 2001.
Population Increases From 1990-2000 Annual Electricity
Consumption Growth Rates Between 1988 to 1998
What was that about X's? 3X's?
Do you have anything approaching a fact on them tapes from the RNC
Rob?
-- eyeroller (eyesbe@rolling.over), May 22, 2001.
Say Rob, are you aware of the idiot behind the ‘eyeroller’ name? Why
it’s none other than ‘Doc’, AKA Steven Brown, from debunkers fame.
That’s right, the same burnt-out weirdo that lives in Las Vegas with
his extra large SO from NYC, Patricia. You’ve seen their pics and
listened to their rantings have you not? Two more liberal losers who
continue to blame their miserable lives on everything but themselves.
Consider the source and be glad you ain’t them.
-- Heaving (in@Las.Vegas), May 22, 2001.
Heaving in Las Vegas,
Thanks for that bit of info!!!! I remember that person now!!! and
it explains ALOT!!! I am just going around in cirlces with this
one..."Oh, it's all dubya's fault, even though he's only been in
office since late January!" gets pretty old, is dishonest, and is an
intellectual cop out to say the least!
-- Rob (celtic64@mindspring.com), May 22, 2001.
It doesn't take more than a minute to raise prices, jackass.
-- (Dumbya@did.it), May 22, 2001.
No, all it took was the courage to remove the artificial price caps
california placed on their market, smegma breathe.
-- Rob (celtic64@mindspring.com), May 22, 2001.
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