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Monday April 30 4:32 PM ET

Cheney Says U.S. Will Rely on Oil, Coal

By Lesley Wroughton

TORONTO (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) said on Monday there are no quick-fix solution to America's energy problems and the country will have to rely on oil and coal and consider broader use of nuclear power.

Speaking to newspaper publishers in Toronto on what he joked was a rare venture away from Washington, Cheney outlined America's energy problems and gave a hint of the recommendations he is to make soon to President Bush (news - web sites) on how to cope with power shortages like those that have triggered rolling blackouts in California in recent months.

``America's energy challenges are serious, but not perplexing,'' he told the annual meeting of the Associated Press. ``We know what needs to be done, we've always had the ability, we still have the resources.''

Cheney is heading a task force to examine the extent of the U.S. energy woes and prepare a strategy to deal with them. His report is expected to be released as early as mid-May.

Suggesting that California -- and a botched program of energy sector deregulation -- could set a precedent for the rest of the nation, Cheney said communities in parts of the Northeast, could face power shortages this summer.

He said by one estimate rising fuel prices cost the economy at least $100 billion in 1999 alone.

The problem is deep and wide: Two decades from now, the United States will rely on foreign sources for 64 percent of its oil, compared to 56 percent today, and by 2020, natural gas demand will rise by two-thirds, he said.

What is more, he added, electricity needs will be such over the next 20 years that just meeting projected demand will require between 1,300 and 1,900 new power plants. ``That averages out to more than one new plant per week, every week, for 20 years running,'' he said.

Cheney said alternative sources of fuel in the future may prove to be much more plentiful but ``we are not yet in a position to stake our economy and our own way of life on that possibility.''

He said Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Reserve, which environmentalists view as America's last great unspoiled wilderness, can be tapped for oil without disrupting the vast majority of the 19 million acre (7.6 million hectare) reserve.

``The amount of land affected by oil production would be 2,000 acres,'' he said. ``The notion that somehow developing the resources in ANWR requires a vast despoiling of the environment is probably false. This is one reason why the overwhelming majority of people who live in Alaska support developing this resource in their home state.''

Canada is wary about opening up the Arctic reserve for energy development because of potential environmental problems. U.S. officials deny the charges.

Cheney said coal remained the cheapest primary source for electric power generation and will continue to be so for years to come. ``To try and tell ourselves otherwise is to deny blunt reality,'' he said. ``Coal is not the cleanest source of energy, and we must support efforts to improve clean-coal technology to soften its impact on the environment.''

Cheney said nuclear power should not be overlooked. The government has not granted a single new nuclear power permit in more than 20 years and many plants are expected to close.

The nuclear industry is beset by safety concerns and there is no clear idea how to safely store radioactive spent fuel.

Cheney, whose heart troubles have raised concerns about the stress of his job, told his audience during a question-answer session that he was feeling ``very well'' and had even considered doing jumping-jacks on stage to demonstrate his good health.

He said that if he ever felt his health was in danger he would resign his post. ``If ever I get to the point where my doctors believe that it is not wise or prudent to continue in this capacity, obviously I would step aside,'' he said.

Cheney said he was confident that Bush would attain his goal of a $1.6 trillion tax cut, possibly more.

``We will end up when we get through with something about that level, but exactly where that will be will be subject for negotiations with Congress,'' he said.

-- (spoken like @ true. greedy bastard), May 01, 2001

Answers

It's just a coincidence that as soon as two oil tycoons take over our country all of a sudden the prices from energy suppliers go through the roof, creating an "energy crisis" in California.

It's just a coincidence that they now want to drill up the country for more oil, coal, and natural gas, and build more power plants in every state.

It's just a coincidence that all pollution regulations are being eliminated, making it easier for energy companies to rake in big bucks.

It's just coincidence that both of these tycoons have lots of investments in such companies, and lots of friends they can make even richer.

It's just coincidence that they aren't at all interested in renewable energy, because they'll make a lot more money selling what they already do.

Yeah, it's all just an amazing coincidence that all of this has happened just since these oil tycoons took over our country.

NOT!!!

-- (wake up @ and. smell the soot), May 01, 2001.


Uuuuuh, how do you propose to generate electricity and heat homes and power vehicles----alchemy?

-- (spoken_like_@_true.seedy_ratbastard), May 01, 2001.

Good article, your lead threat title is stupid. Let's look.

Nevermind. After reading carefully, everything above is true now or or certainly in the cards.

Only beef I'd have is Canada carping about US energy alternatives that didn't eventually fill their coffers. It was a nice try and sounded good to the envior crowd. Don't suppose they have politicians too?

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), May 01, 2001.


wake up,

This is what happens when the last book you read is The Greening Of America. Good God man, has this capitalist conspiracy crap gripped you so tightly that you can't see a market at work? The market has been fucked with by best meaning politicos. Same story same result.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), May 01, 2001.


"Uuuuuh, how do you propose to generate electricity and heat homes and power vehicles----alchemy?"

Spoken like a truly ignorant dumbass with his head stuck up his butthole.

Wind and solar energy are being used in many places with great success. It's clean and lasts forever, but our idiot puppet Dumbya won't hear of it.

-- (pull your head out @ it's sunny. out here), May 01, 2001.



How many windmills or solar panels do you think it would take to power a large refinery? Or an auto production line, with their dozens of welding robots, etc? Or a steel mill, do you have any idea how much power it takes to run one of these? What about a room full of servers, or a mainframe with a few thousand attached disk and tape drives and terminals and telcom equipment and the huge air conditioners?

This stuff is fine for a small home, that uses a few Kw per month, and it would help to reduce the impact on the grid. But we still need power for the big users. And boy, do we have "big users" in this country. :)

-- Welcome to (the@21st.century), May 01, 2001.


How many windmills or solar panels do you think it would take to power a large refinery?

Don't need to power the damn refinery if we use alternative energy sources.

Maybe they could make fuel efficient vehicles like was done in the 1970's and 1980's before they got around the pollution and fuel efficiency regulations by dumping SUV's on the market, pushing them as the family cars when they are clogging up and polluting the cities, they were exempt because they were supposed to be used for country terrain. Also people could take mass transit, ride a bike, walk or carpool instead of Mom, Dad, Sunnyboy and SisterSue each having and driving separate gas guzzling and polluting vehicles to go places people used to walk to, or family members used to share rides to.

Or an auto production line, with their dozens of welding robots, etc.?

They won't need to make so many vehicles if common sense is brought back into transportation.

Or a steel mill, do you have any idea how much power it takes to run one of these?

The cost of producing steel had gone through the roof due to unions so most of it is done overseas where labor is cheaper, also Americans no longer want to do take the time and effort to learn and do manual labor work or sweat while making a living, this generation thinks they should be paid the big bucks for little effort, why work for years when they can make a killing on the stock market in a year or two. Oh, I forgot, the bottom fell out of that get rich quick scam real fast didn't it? Same with so called "high tech" where everyone thought they deserved to get paid incredible amounts of money for starting a business that had no ability to actually generate a profit. These IT's are now paying hugh amounts of taxes on the income generated by the overblown stock that they own, even though the stock may be next to worthless now. The taxes are based on what the stock used to be worth. There are sob stories of last years instant millionaires that are having to sell their sports cars and condos just to pay the taxman, leaving them destitute and literally homeless and even jobless from failed high tech startups. So maybe there will now be some people willing to work in steel mills for reasonable paychecks.

What about a room full of servers, or a mainframe with a few thousand attached disk and tape drives and terminals and telcom equipment and the huge air conditioners?

Servers don't take up very much space compared to what an older mainframe used to, they are cost efficient energy wise today, and the same is true with newer mainframes. I don't know where you get the idea that they use thousands of disc and tape drives, the discs for mainframes are around the size of a food dehydrator, many layers (platters) to a drive, backups and reel to reel tape drives are not all that necessary in huge amounts, they are mainly used for backups and recycled over time. The movies exaggerate greatly. The mainframes are physically smaller and their computing ability is greatly increased from those in the past, cooling doesn't take much more than conditioned air being blown up from beneath a raised floor into the bottom of the cabinets. They generate less heat also so that decreases the energy consumption.

This stuff is fine for a small home, that uses a few Kw per month, and it would help to reduce the impact on the grid.

With the technology today the need for energy is decreased due to a generation of energy efficient innovations, computer technology takes less energy then older industrial technology.

But we still need power for the big users. And boy, do we have "big users" in this country. :)

You know what's funny about that? The "big users" who demand the most energy are those who are involved in profiting from increasing energy consumption. The vehicle industry and oil and coal concerns. Texas went bust a few decades ago because they would not spend the money to modernize their industry and spend the money to make it more environmentally friendly. Opec took advantage of American's desire for a cleaner environment and safer working conditions. The market and government has now been manipulated to the point where the mentality of those Texans is being construed as a national mentality~where the environment and health and safety is a lower priority to profit. There is no logical reason for the price of American oil to have increased the way it has, except for the sole reason of creating a false energy economy and to unbalance the energy market.

During the years leading to the Y2K rollover I kept constant track of the power industry and power plant usage and downtime. Right now power plants are being kept off line and "down for maintenance" at unreasonable and inexplicable amounts, causing a "lack" of generating ability. Then the power that is being generated has been sold at 200-300-400% of the cost that it went for a year ago. It doesn't take too much thought to realize that this has coincided with the Herculean effort to get Bush into the white house. There are people who believe they are above the rest of us, that the rules do not apply to them, who have an agenda to control and hold the power to manipulate this country and the economy. When the newspaper starts degrading efforts to bring peace to areas of the world, when big corporations create false scientific organizations to put out information that conflicts with true science, and every effort is made to twist around and manipulate the media on what the government is doing, then there is reason for concern.
With a generation in their twenties who are used to having everything they are manipulated into wanting handed to them with little or no effort on their part, they are also easily manipulated into believing whatever they are fed by the major media. But there are too many people who lived through the VietNam war and the poor economy for decades that will not allow control to be taken away from us again by people who crave power and control.

I don't know how many more coincidences it is going to take to wake more people up, but it is happening more every day. Just wait. Time will tell.

-- Welcome to (the@21st.century), May 01, 2001.

Yep, and we will not allow a repeat of the mistakes of the 20th century.

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), May 01, 2001.


How many windmills or solar panels do you think it would take to power a large refinery?

Don't need to power the damn refinery if we use alternative energy sources.

Maybe they could make fuel efficient vehicles like was done in the 1970's and 1980's before they got around the pollution and fuel efficiency regulations by dumping SUV's on the market, pushing them as the family cars when they are clogging up and polluting the cities, they were exempt because they were supposed to be used for country terrain. Also people could take mass transit, ride a bike, walk or carpool instead of Mom, Dad, Sunnyboy and SisterSue each having and driving separate gas guzzling and polluting vehicles to go places people used to walk to, or family members used to share rides to.

Or an auto production line, with their dozens of welding robots, etc.?

They won't need to make so many vehicles if common sense is brought back into transportation.

Or a steel mill, do you have any idea how much power it takes to run one of these?

The cost of producing steel had gone through the roof due to unions so most of it is done overseas where labor is cheaper, also Americans no longer want to do take the time and effort to learn and do manual labor work or sweat while making a living, this generation thinks they should be paid the big bucks for little effort, why work for years when they can make a killing on the stock market in a year or two. Oh, I forgot, the bottom fell out of that get rich quick scam real fast didn't it? Same with so called "high tech" where everyone thought they deserved to get paid incredible amounts of money for starting a business that had no ability to actually generate a profit. These IT's are now paying hugh amounts of taxes on the income generated by the overblown stock that they own, even though the stock may be next to worthless now. The taxes are based on what the stock used to be worth. There are sob stories of last years instant millionaires that are having to sell their sports cars and condos just to pay the taxman, leaving them destitute and literally homeless and even jobless from failed high tech startups. So maybe there will now be some people willing to work in steel mills for reasonable paychecks.

What about a room full of servers, or a mainframe with a few thousand attached disk and tape drives and terminals and telcom equipment and the huge air conditioners?

Servers don't take up very much space compared to what an older mainframe used to, they are cost efficient energy wise today, and the same is true with newer mainframes. I don't know where you get the idea that they use thousands of disc and tape drives, the discs for mainframes are around the size of a food dehydrator, many layers (platters) to a drive, backups and reel to reel tape drives are not all that necessary in huge amounts, they are mainly used for backups and recycled over time. The movies exaggerate greatly. The mainframes are physically smaller and their computing ability is greatly increased from those in the past, cooling doesn't take much more than conditioned air being blown up from beneath a raised floor into the bottom of the cabinets. They generate less heat also so that decreases the energy consumption.

This stuff is fine for a small home, that uses a few Kw per month, and it would help to reduce the impact on the grid.

With the technology today the need for energy is decreased due to a generation of energy efficient innovations, computer technology takes less energy then older industrial technology.

But we still need power for the big users. And boy, do we have "big users" in this country. :)

You know what's funny about that? The "big users" who demand the most energy are those who are involved in profiting from increasing energy consumption. The vehicle industry and oil and coal concerns. Texas went bust a few decades ago because they would not spend the money to modernize their industry and spend the money to make it more environmentally friendly. Opec took advantage of American's desire for a cleaner environment and safer working conditions. The market and government has now been manipulated to the point where the mentality of those Texans is being construed as a national mentality~where the environment and health and safety is a lower priority to profit. There is no logical reason for the price of American oil to have increased the way it has, except for the sole reason of creating a false energy economy and to unbalance the energy market.

During the years leading to the Y2K rollover I kept constant track of the power industry and power plant usage and downtime. Right now power plants are being kept off line and "down for maintenance" at unreasonable and inexplicable amounts, causing a "lack" of generating ability. Then the power that is being generated has been sold at 200-300-400% of the cost that it went for a year ago. It doesn't take too much thought to realize that this has coincided with the Herculean effort to get Bush into the white house. There are people who believe they are above the rest of us, that the rules do not apply to them, who have an agenda to control and hold the power to manipulate this country and the economy. When the newspaper starts degrading efforts to bring peace to areas of the world, when big corporations create false scientific organizations to put out information that conflicts with true science, and every effort is made to twist around and manipulate the media on what the government is doing, then there is reason for concern.
With a generation in their twenties who are used to having everything they are manipulated into wanting handed to them with little or no effort on their part, they are also easily manipulated into believing whatever they are fed by the major media. But there are too many people who lived through the VietNam war and the poor economy for decades that will not allow control to be taken away from us again by people who crave power and control.

I don't know how many more coincidences it is going to take to wake more people up, but it is happening more every day. Just wait. Time will tell.

-- Welcome to (the@21st.century), May 01, 2001.

Yep, and we will not allow a repeat of the mistakes of the 20th century.

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), May 01, 2001.


Damn, gonna do it till it's right!

How many windmills or solar panels do you think it would take to power a large refinery?

Don't need to power the damn refinery if we use alternative energy sources.

Maybe they could make fuel efficient vehicles like was done in the 1970's and 1980's before they got around the pollution and fuel efficiency regulations by dumping SUV's on the market, pushing them as the family cars when they are clogging up and polluting the cities, they were exempt because they were supposed to be used for country terrain. Also people could take mass transit, ride a bike, walk or carpool instead of Mom, Dad, Sunnyboy and SisterSue each having and driving separate gas guzzling and polluting vehicles to go places people used to walk to, or family members used to share rides to.

Or an auto production line, with their dozens of welding robots, etc.?

They won't need to make so many vehicles if common sense is brought back into transportation.

Or a steel mill, do you have any idea how much power it takes to run one of these?

The cost of producing steel had gone through the roof due to unions so most of it is done overseas where labor is cheaper, also Americans no longer want to do take the time and effort to learn and do manual labor work or sweat while making a living, this generation thinks they should be paid the big bucks for little effort, why work for years when they can make a killing on the stock market in a year or two. Oh, I forgot, the bottom fell out of that get rich quick scam real fast didn't it? Same with so called "high tech" where everyone thought they deserved to get paid incredible amounts of money for starting a business that had no ability to actually generate a profit. These IT's are now paying hugh amounts of taxes on the income generated by the overblown stock that they own, even though the stock may be next to worthless now. The taxes are based on what the stock used to be worth. There are sob stories of last years instant millionaires that are having to sell their sports cars and condos just to pay the taxman, leaving them destitute and literally homeless and even jobless from failed high tech startups. So maybe there will now be some people willing to work in steel mills for reasonable paychecks.

What about a room full of servers, or a mainframe with a few thousand attached disk and tape drives and terminals and telcom equipment and the huge air conditioners?

Servers don't take up very much space compared to what an older mainframe used to, they are cost efficient energy wise today, and the same is true with newer mainframes. I don't know where you get the idea that they use thousands of disc and tape drives, the discs for mainframes are around the size of a food dehydrator, many layers (platters) to a drive, backups and reel to reel tape drives are not all that necessary in huge amounts, they are mainly used for backups and recycled over time. The movies exaggerate greatly. The mainframes are physically smaller and their computing ability is greatly increased from those in the past, cooling doesn't take much more than conditioned air being blown up from beneath a raised floor into the bottom of the cabinets. They generate less heat also so that decreases the energy consumption.

This stuff is fine for a small home, that uses a few Kw per month, and it would help to reduce the impact on the grid.

With the technology today the need for energy is decreased due to a generation of energy efficient innovations, computer technology takes less energy then older industrial technology.

But we still need power for the big users. And boy, do we have "big users" in this country. :)

You know what's funny about that? The "big users" who demand the most energy are those who are involved in profiting from increasing energy consumption. The vehicle industry and oil and coal concerns. Texas went bust a few decades ago because they would not spend the money to modernize their industry and spend the money to make it more environmentally friendly. Opec took advantage of American's desire for a cleaner environment and safer working conditions. The market and government has now been manipulated to the point where the mentality of those Texans is being construed as a national mentality~where the environment and health and safety is a lower priority to profit. There is no logical reason for the price of American oil to have increased the way it has, except for the sole reason of creating a false energy economy and to unbalance the energy market.

During the years leading to the Y2K rollover I kept constant track of the power industry and power plant usage and downtime. Right now power plants are being kept off line and "down for maintenance" at unreasonable and inexplicable amounts, causing a "lack" of generating ability. Then the power that is being generated has been sold at 200-300-400% of the cost that it went for a year ago. It doesn't take too much thought to realize that this has coincided with the Herculean effort to get Bush into the white house. There are people who believe they are above the rest of us, that the rules do not apply to them, who have an agenda to control and hold the power to manipulate this country and the economy. When the newspaper starts degrading efforts to bring peace to areas of the world, when big corporations create false scientific organizations to put out information that conflicts with true science, and every effort is made to twist around and manipulate the media on what the government is doing, then there is reason for concern.
With a generation in their twenties who are used to having everything they are manipulated into wanting handed to them with little or no effort on their part, they are also easily manipulated into believing whatever they are fed by the major media. But there are too many people who lived through the VietNam war and the poor economy for decades that will not allow control to be taken away from us again by people who crave power and control.

I don't know how many more coincidences it is going to take to wake more people up, but it is happening more every day. Just wait. Time will tell.

-- Welcome to (the@21st.century), May 01, 2001.

Yep, and we will not allow a repeat of the mistakes of the 20th century.

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), May 01, 2001.


Cherri,

You need to get a room with the crowd that believes in the government keeping the existence of little green men a secret from all of us.

-- libs are idiots (moreinterpretation@ugly.com), May 03, 2001.



libs are idiots,

You need to get a rubber room with J the crybaby. You can insult him, and he can cry.

Bwaaahahaahaa!!

-- conservatives are worthless shits (moreinterpretation@ugly.com), May 03, 2001.


CAWS,

Return home immediately. Your village is missing its idiot.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), May 03, 2001.


You stole that line from The Weakest Link.

-- You Are The (Weakest_Link@Good.Bye), May 03, 2001.

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