Mississippi Keeps Confederate Symbol in Landslide

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Mississippi Keeps Confederate Symbol in Landslide

Updated 11:48 PM ET April 17, 2001

By Alan Elsner, National Correspondent

JACKSON, Miss. (Reuters) - Mississippi voters overwhelmingly approved a measure on Tuesday to keep the Confederate flag in a prominent place on the state banner, rejecting a design that would have removed an emblem widely seen as a symbol of slavery and racism.

In official returns, with 67 percent of precincts reporting, 65 percent voted to retain the old flag, which supporters revere as a symbol of southern heritage, while 35 percent voted for the new design.

In raw numbers, 311,573 had voted for the old flag; 165,456 for the new. Local media declared the old flag the winner. Remaining results from remote counties were not expected to substantially change the vote and might not be reported in full until Wednesday.

Mississippi's population is about 61 percent white and 36 percent black. There was no racial breakdown of the vote but predominantly black counties voted heavily for the new design while mostly white precincts went overwhelmingly -- by as much as 90 percent in some cases -- for the old.

Gov. Ronnie Musgrove, a Democrat who had supported the new flag, said in a written statement: "It is important that we accept the majority vote and move forward. ... We must lay aside our differences."

The referendum had been called to determine whether Mississippi would remain the last state to prominently display the Confederate battle emblem on its official flag. In recent years, Alabama, South Carolina and Georgia have either dropped or downgraded their use of the symbol.

It was the first time voters anywhere had a chance to decide the flag issue. Despite the emotions involved, both sides agreed the campaign had been orderly and civil.

Mississippi could now face the kind of economic boycott from blacks and others that forced South Carolina last year to move a Confederate flag that had flown over the state Capitol to a less prominent location.

The result was also a defeat for Musgrove and black leaders who backed the new design. It showed that the legacy of the Civil War, slavery and segregation continues to exert a powerful hold in a state whose most celebrated author, William Faulkner, once declared, "The past is never dead."

Jackson State University political scientist Leslie McLemore said the campaign had stirred deep-seated racial resentment and hatred that would be difficult to heal.

Mississippi adopted its flag with the Confederate battle emblem, a blue cross with 13 white stars in the left-hand corner, in 1894, almost 30 years after the Confederacy lost the 1861-1865 Civil War.

For decades after the war, blacks were denied basic civil rights and subjected to constant intimidation and frequent lynchings. The state continued its policy of racial segregation well into the 1960s.

Issues from that era remain very much alive. State Attorney General Mike Moore is still pursuing leads in hope of bringing to trial those accused of the 1964 murders of three civil rights workers.

Flag supporters dismissed those who see the emblem as a banner of slavery and Ku Klux Klan violence. More recently, it has been adopted by neo-Nazis and other right-wing extremists. Many southern whites regard the flag as a glorious symbol of a heritage they are unwilling to abandon and say it has nothing to do with slavery.

John Thomas Cripps, a potential Republican candidate for governor, summed up the pro-flag argument in fiery and emotional terms.

"We proclaim before Almighty God and before all nations of the earth, that we are a separate and distinct people, with an honorable heritage and culture worthy of protection and preservation," he said.

The proposed new flag would have replaced the southern cross with 20 stars in concentric circles, representing that Mississippi was the 20th state to join the United States.

Many state and business leaders, including Musgrove, supported the new design, arguing that Mississippi, one of the poorest states in the country with serious health, education and economic problems, needed to leave its racist legacy behind to compete effectively for jobs.

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), April 18, 2001

Answers

The good people of Mississippi have had their say! How refreshing to see that some folks are still willing to stand up for what they believe in and protect a valuable icon of their proud heritage.

-- Old Times There (are@not.forgotten), April 18, 2001.

"The good people of Mississippi have had their say!"

Oh, I get it! The wealthy white folks are the "good people", and us niggahs are da "bad" ones, right?

"How refreshing to see that some folks are still willing to stand up for what they believe in and protect a valuable icon of their proud heritage."

Their proud heritage of what.. fuckin greedy ass slavedrivers? Some heritage to be proud of, you dumb mofuckin honky!

-- Uncle Slob (lazy white @ motherfuckin. fatass), April 18, 2001.


“The wealthy white folks”

If ignorance is bliss you must be in seventh heaven.

-- Old Times There (are@not.forgotten), April 18, 2001.


Apparently you don't know much about the history of Mississipi, you stupid racist fuck.

-- (the slaves are coming back @ to kill you. and rape your wives), April 18, 2001.

I like their old one better.

This one with the confederate battle flag is almost a copy of the Confederate National Flag.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), April 18, 2001.



Yes, the proud history of Mississippi, a state awash in memories of revolution, anti-americanism and a harboring a long tradition of racism.

It's really no surprise that they consistantly rank next to last in just about every educational category.

I bet they just wish that slavery would make a comeback. Dumb fucks. They deserve to remain the lowest of the low. In fact, if they ever want to have another revolution, we should say good riddance.

-- Jesus (martinez@mexico.gov), April 18, 2001.


Oh, I get it! The wealthy white folks are the "good people", and us niggahs are da "bad" ones, right?

Well, since the majority race in Mississippi is black, and the majority income in Mississippi is below the poverty level, and since I grew up in Picayune, MS and was poor white trash, and I'm not fat (but my ass is white)...nevermind, you wouldn't get the point...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), April 18, 2001.


I agree that the people of Mississippi should have the right to choose their own flag regardless of my opinion of the flag itself. However, the majority population is Mississippi is white, by almost 50%. Here's the 1998 stats.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 18, 2001.

Tarzan:

There you go again. What the hell is the matter with you presenting links and facts?

-- Enlightenment (gone@away.now), April 18, 2001.


My goodness Mr. Ape, we agree again. I think Uncle Bob may have been attempting to say that the majority ‘minority’ race in Mississippi is black. I make this assumption based on his post that initiated this thread, where the percentages are clearly stated.

-- So (cr@t.es), April 18, 2001.


I didn't notice that Uncle Bob started this thread, so that makes sense. But I thought the stats were interesting anyway. I was surprised by some of the other numbers.

I personally would have voted to change the flag. As Lee said at Appomatox, "It's time to furl this flag forever,". But I think that any decisions on what the state flag will look like should be made by the people in that state. For the record, we Georgians have never had that chance.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 18, 2001.


I stand corrected...leave the flag alone. A symbol cannot change what's in a persons heart...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), April 18, 2001.

"Well, since the majority race in Mississippi is black"

Dumbass UB still can't even read...

"Mississippi's population is about 61 percent white and 36 percent black."

-- (get an education @ white. trash), April 18, 2001.


They tell us to "get over it" when they are still lamenting loosing the civil war? Uhuh...

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), April 18, 2001.

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