Hi Ya'll

When did the DMV get rights to go armed? I know that they requested the same ticket writing privlege of a state trooper. (I say they shouldn't be able to stop 4-wheelers) I've recently noticed that our NC DMV carries big guns along with a snotty attitude. I have heard (have not yet verified) that the DMV does not have the same gun practice requirements that regular cops do.

It looks like NC has a 5 layer law enforcement pact. (City, State, Rural, DMV, Federal) HOWEVER the Feds and the DMV seems to have "just taken' AUTHORITY and power.

Maybe someone here knows for sure. What happened and when???

-- Kenneth in N.C. (wizardsplace13@hotmail.com), April 16, 2001

Answers

The second amendment to the constitution of the United States of America says that we all have it.

-- Ed Copp (OH) (edcopp@yahoo.com), April 16, 2001.

Hi ken,

We are just over the border from you in VA. I recently read the article posted to this forum, the thread on FMD and constitutional rights. That concerned me. I forwarded the link on to all members of all goat organziations in both states. i have yet to hear a reply. But I am guessing with the holiday that it may have hindered a reply for some. This new law NC has signed will greatly impact upon folks being able to go to livestock sales, etc. They just opened a brand new livestock facility in Oxford and a good source told me that folks are concerend to go to NC now. however, health papers will help I'm sure. But that is deviating from your post. As for the vet to be able to carry a gun, ours has for a long time. he uses it to put down animals. for example, we tried to save a doe who was kidding with quads, she had a ruptured uterus and intestines, so there was no hope, we then tried to save the kids, in order to do so he had to shoot her.

-- Bernice (geminigoats@yahoo.com), April 16, 2001.

Bernice, I was a little confused by this at first, too. I believe Kenneth meant "Department of Motor Vehicles", and you are thinking "Doctor of Vetrinarian Medicine". I don't think any of us would be offended by our vets carrying, for exactly the reasons you stated. Kenneth, we don't have any problem like those you spoke of here. Kathie

-- Kathie in Western Washington (twinrosefarm@worldnet.att.net), April 16, 2001.

Thanks kathy for pointing that out. I guess i have FMD on my brain too much. Been a long day. But I did get a little chuckle after i realized it.

-- Bernice (geminigoats@yahoo.com), April 16, 2001.

Bernice, I think Kenneth was talking about Department of Motor Vehicle employees. Am I correct, Ken? If so, makes taking that driving test a little different, huh?

-- Eve in FL (owenall@lwol.com), April 17, 2001.

Eve, yep should have said that. Dept of Motor Vehicles. Guess driving test could be awful "either parallel park or i'll shoot off your toe" Ouch. (humor folks...laugh.)

-- Kenneth in N.C. (wizardsplace13@hotmail.com), April 17, 2001.

The NCDMV Enforcement has carried guns since 1921, I guess they had to being the first state law enforcement agency. This guy must have gotten a ticket!! As far as firearms training, The state has a set guideline for all NC officers, they just can't train like they want. Have some common since!!! DMV Enforcement officers have more State Highway jurisdiction than any other agency in the state, refer to NC G.S 20-49, 20-396, Of the NC Motor Vehicle laws. Law enforcement officers are always rediculed when they have to act on a violator, this guy Kenneth must have been one, It's like this, Everyone needs a little education now and then!!!

-- Ray (catchinbass@hotmail.com), June 01, 2001.

Kenneth, you must be getting these guys mixed up with drivers license examiners. I am a Deputy sherriff in NC and the Division of Motor Vehicles has it's own law Enforcment branch, which is , the Enforcement section. They mainly enforce commercial motor vehicle laws, and have jurisdiction of all vehicles. As far a writing tickets, they have always been able to write them. You must be new to NC or you are ignorant to the fact. I believe before you put down a state agency, you need to do some research. Sounds like you may be a truck driver, only truckers use the slang, "4 wheelers". And if you are a trucker, you sure don't want to piss the DMV guys off, now do you?

-- larry (triton@netscape.net), June 03, 2001.

Here in the Peoples Republic of California, they fingerprint you when you get a drivers license. I could not believe it when I moved here and went to get a license. There's no way around it either. In Los Angeles county, they fingerprint for ammunition purchases.

-- citizen (sorry@nocando.com), June 03, 2001.

Sorry Larry, Nope not a truck driver I have owned a few though. Speaking from personal experience and based on views expressed by 70% of the Owner-Operator Association. It would be different if the DMV used courtesy instead of snotty quips and bad attitudes. The BS started about 4 years ago at least here in NC. From what I've read Georgia has the least complaints.

-- Kenneth in N.C. (wizardsplace13@hotmail.com), June 10, 2001.

Ken:

In VA, the DMV has uniformed agents which do motor carrier enforcement and they also have plain clothes detectives. In my dealings with them, they have always been professional and courteous. They look even more squared away than the VA State police. In talking to them, I learned that they were the first highway patrol in VA, and later on the VSP was created. All in all they seem to be pretty cool and humble to me. I don't think you can judge a whole group of officers based on statements of people who were ticketed by them. I bet if you asked a group of kids on detention they would all agree that their pricipal was mean.

Ed

-- Ed in VA (eduardo703@hotmail.com), August 19, 2001.

Ken, I stumbled upon your question while looking up info on Commercial Motor Vehicle Enforcement regulations across the nation. I will be glad to answer any questions you have about the NC DMV Enforcement Section. As far as any attitudes, lay the blame on the individual not the organization. I had been a City Police officer for over 18 years. In July of 2000 I became a member of the NC DMV Enforcement Section. Its not all about "writing Tickets". Its about keeping North Carolina's Highways safe. We are in a transition phase now that sets high standards for our personel. Feel free to contact me by E-Mail. NAT

-- Neil (natroutman@dot.state.nc.us), August 29, 2001.