Free Solar Storage Batteries

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Would any you like information about how to get free Solar Storage Batteries? email smithja@sisna.com

-- Paul Clint (smithja@sisna.com), April 03, 2001

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Paul, your thread title is misleading since you are not giving away free solar batteries. From your response to me on another forum, you are SELLING a method that in your opinion rejuvenates regular auto batteries that you obtain for free locally. Auto batteries are not solar batteries, and I doubt that you could find enough batteries of like size to match them for a proper bank of batteries to store solar generated electricity.

Why don't you just tell it like it is? You are selling something, not giving something away.

-- Notforprint (Not@thekeyboard.com), April 03, 2001.


To clarify, for anonymous who objects on the basis of his misguided assumptions of what this "Would any you like information about how to get free Solar Storage Batteries?" means. If you send me an email, I will indeed send you free of charge the promised information.

The batteries mentioned are indeed free and if you use them the way I recommend (which I did not in any way suggest is free of cost) they will outpreform any Solar Storage Battery commercially available.

Nor does my post claim that I am giving away the batteries. If you can't understand what you read, and choose to interpret someone else's words in ways that defy logic, then your criticism will surely be given the consideration it is due.

-- Paul Clint (smithja@sisna.com), April 03, 2001.


Sounds like you are arguing semantics. Why is it necessary to be deceptive?

-- Lynn Goltz (lynngoltz@aol.com), April 03, 2001.

Why not just post how to do it instead of having to write someone?

-- Gary (gws@redbird.net), April 04, 2001.

Gary,You already know the answer.He can't SELL it to you then.

-- greg (gsmith@tricountyi.net), April 04, 2001.


I also responded to Paul's ad on the Backwoods Home Swap Meet. He replied with a 7 paragraph letter. His basic explanation is this -

"The secret of these free batteries is an electronic circuit which not only resurrects old core batteries turned into auto parts stores, but restores them to a condition better than new, maintains them in that "better than new condition" indefinately and allows them to deep cycle without being damaged."

He has designed and built this circuit and is selling it for $100.

This is one of those 'sounds too good to be true' deals.

-- Sandy in MN (jpevans_56353@yahoo.com), April 04, 2001.


If it works, I think that Home Power Magazine would be glad to report on it, and an article on this product in Home Power Magazine would generate lots of sales.

Jim

-- Jim (jiminwis@yahoo.com), April 04, 2001.


I agree with Jim. Looking through the current issue of HomePower I can find a number of products that will assist in 'renewing' batteries. And if one were to do a bit of plundering through HP back issues, I suspect they could find the same circuit diagrams/instructions.

AND for less than $100 a person could get three of the HomePower CD-ROM and have tons of good (and tested) information.

Caveat Emptor...

j

-- j (jw_hsv@yahoo.com), April 04, 2001.


Whew! I thought that after Paul's response to mine, that perhaps I had just lost use of the written word.

Kind of makes me wonder if he has a cousin or uncle Bill? You know the one---"It depends on what your defininition of is, is." or "I did not have---" Well let's not go there again.

Paul, you may have a very valuable product at a very reasonable cost, but the way you are promoting it makes at least me feel that there is a flim flam or deception going on. You may wish to reconsider your marketing technique to be able to reach those who would be interested.

-- Notforprint (Not@thekeyboard.com), April 04, 2001.


Paul -

I think you should write to HPM and have them do an article. I couldn't part with even $100 right now, but might buy later if there was some investigation into this. $100 is hard to come by in a family where only one works.....

Besides.... Why are you only marketing to such a limited audience? If this works so well, I should think you'd be interested in making a real living from it, not just expecting a couple hundred folks to buy. Free advertising is where its at if you want money - and what better FREE ad than an article in Home Power?

-- Sue Diederich (willow666@rocketmail.com), April 04, 2001.



What a great idea. All of you who have spent $2000 to $5000 on a bank of batteries ought to take this guy's advice and go buy one of the pulse chargers advertised in Home Power.

I mean, what are the benefits of a few batteries when compared to the $50 you might save.

-- Paul Clint (smithja@sisna.com), April 05, 2001.


So Paul, your advice is to take your advice?

-- Lynn Goltz (lynngoltz@aol.com), April 05, 2001.

After a diligent search, I came across this site.

http://www.shaka.com/~kalepa/desulf.htm

This is do it yourself kit to make a 12V Lead Acid Battery Desulfation Pulse Generator.

There are version 6V & 24V versions also out there.

This is a circuit can deliver a big wallop of a shock, so be carefull!

I have not built one, but I'm planning on doing so soon.

-- (perry@ofuzzy1.com), April 05, 2001.


I read and printed off some pretty in-depth directions last week on how to care for batteries that are used as a solar battery bank, and the directions included how to prevent them from dying from sulfation, i.e. to properly care for them through certain charging methods. I would think that anyone that makes a large investment in batteries would also learn to properly care for them. I would quickly agree that there are those that have so much money that they wouldn't, but they aren't the norm here where dollars are so precious to each of us.

I'll put it this way, if I were to buy a bank of batteries, I'd certainly learn to take care of them properly.

-- Notforprint (Not@thekeyboard.com), April 05, 2001.


I had been surfing the net looking for more battery information when I bumped into these posts.

I think you folks may have missed the point. No matter what brand of battery you purchase, no matter how well you attempt to care for them, without pulsers, your batteries will probably die prematurely of sulfation deposits.

Your banks may die within 5-7 years. A pulser protected bank may last as long as 15-20 years.

Although Paul was marketing a product, he was truthfully stating that you can get your batteries for free. Although I had not been aware of Paul's efforts, I work at developing similar devices.

You will pay $180-$200 for a Trojan L16 battery, while Paul, myself and many others pay about $5-$6 purchasing the core trade ins from a battery dealer.

We can get them for free by cruising recycling centers. Boat yards will be happy to give you the cast offs in exchange for you to cart them away. I have well over $3,000 worth of batteries that I have not paid one dime for. The process works. It does bring dead batteries back to life.

IBM, if I am not mistaken, did the primary research and made the initial discoveries over 20 years ago. Numerous patents have been approved on applied engineering of new discoveries since. Research is still ongoing with new patents currently in the submission/approval stage.

Although small, substantial industrial investment has been made to evolve the process. Industrial battery management processes like desulfation pulsing and bank aeration are still mostly in the industrial domain. Aeration has never made it beyond the commercial user yet. Desulfation pulsing is starting to appear. Desulfating pulsing battery chargers are now available to trade shops, but they are not available in places like Sears yet.

From a brief description he gave me of his device, it appears to be a well conceived and executed sophisticated device. I have no idea how he keeps the price that low. Most of the commercial units do not have the capabilities of his device and you can pay double his price for less capable products.

-- Don Denhardt (desulfator@yahoo.com), January 24, 2002.



Facts are proven and substantiated. Opinions and claims are not. The facts are easily found by even a rudimentary search on the internet. Literally thousands of testimonials and test results are available.

I direct your attention to the "CONCLUSIONS and RECOMMENDATIONS" of this report. http://es.epa.gov/oeca/fedfac/initiati/armyfed/solar.html

As a result the US Army has purchased these devices to protect vehicles in storage. I've seen Air Force tech manuals dealing with instructing their folks on how to properly use these. I believe this is an item that is becoming a service wide maintenance tool.

This is only a small sampling of what evidence can be collected on the internet.

-- Don Denhardt (desulfator@yahoo.com), January 24, 2002.


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