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I checked it out and it's bug free...pretty cool stuff for tracing an IP to the owner. You need the IP though to make it work...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), March 06, 2001

Answers

....like this is some kind of breaking news.....

*yawn*...old....stuff......doooood......

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-- (old@timers.suck), March 06, 2001.

Uncle Bob, I visited your EZBoards (looks great, btw) and always wondered about how much you can find out about me.

For instance: If I post under 5 different names, do you know that they are all me?

If I don't clear out my cache, do you know how many times I've checked in, or just how many times I've replied?

This may not interest some people, but I'm totally interested. After all, I like message boards and I'd like to know how much the people behind the scenes know about me.

Mar.

-- Not now, not like this (AgentSmith0110@aol.com), March 07, 2001.

Mar.

Most freebies that you download and run in the background of a website will tell you very little about who an individual visitor is. It's a privacy issue. They do tell you domains, referral URL's, keyword search, bookmarks, newsgroup referrals, etc. Most of this crap is for marketing a site (which I'm not doing, I'm just playing around with code right now) so I can see the usefulness of the information in that case. I can not get IP's about visitors which is the key piece of info needed to track someone down and ping-bomb the hell out of them. IP's change for individual users each time they logon to the web in most cases anyway.

Try this link to get an idea of the typical website statistics you can get from Hitbox...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), March 07, 2001.

Okay...Try this page and click the stats for one of the sites. Some are password protected so you may have to try a few...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), March 07, 2001.

Uncle Bob,

Okay, I will look at the links you posted. But I want to be clear on a few things:

1) There is no way, on EZ boards that you can get my name and address?

2) If I post under a different AOL screen name *and* a different "log- in" name, there is no way that you know it is me posting twice?

Thanks for all the above info. Very interesting!

Mar.

-- Not now, not like this (AgentSmith@aol.com), March 07, 2001.

Hi Bob. It was my experience (on my Greenspun forum) that most people either have a static IP or it is similar every time they log in. For instance, someone might be 206.28.203.118. The next time they log on, they might be 206.28.230.52. I think aol, compucrap and other dialups do that and it's fairly easy to know who is who that way. Cable and dsl stay the same, but with anonymizers it's durn near impossible to tell who anybody is.

kritter, Unk and Poole can all probably help you with this more.

Also, Greenspun forums show all IP's and I'm sure EZ board has that function also.

Mar,

"1) There is no way, on EZ boards that you can get my name and address? "

It is possible, but the only method of doing that is illegal. Someone I used to know has the code to break into isp's and match ip's with names and phone numbers. It works, but if you get caught doing it you can get jail time and usually part of the sentence is NO use of computers for a couple of years.

"2) If I post under a different AOL screen name *and* a different "log- in" name, there is no way that you know it is me posting twice?"

It depends on if they are keeping good records of ip's. (Same here at Unks and Pooles.) If you've already posted using that IP before with your name, they would probably recognize you.

-- (Netsc@pe 6.0), March 07, 2001.

1) There is no way, on EZ boards that you can get my name and address? No way, no how... It would take a court order in a lawsuit to the host to get that info...

2) If I post under a different AOL screen name *and* a different "log- in" name, there is no way that you know it is me posting twice? No way, no how... if it were that easy i'd be able to track manny down and kick his cowardly ass...all you gotta do on sleezyboard is not login and post under an anon.

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), March 07, 2001.

Mar, an experienced hacker and/or a gov agency could track down your address but why would they? If you're not threatening anyone or bragging about some illegal activities, you're not interesting to the Dark Forces.

Even if a sysop suspected that you had several screen names, most don't care, as long as you're not spamming the board or otherwise being an obnoxious pest. Most have better things to do with the day- to-day chores of running a board than to keep track of ISPs, or, like Unk, they don't care to be police officers. TB 2000 at Sleazy seems to be an exception to most boards because the sysops care about excluding certain posters and probably keep a list of suspect ISPs.

-- kb (kb8um8@yahoo.com), March 07, 2001.

*sigh* (as someone used to say)

You people make the case for computer registration courses (kinda like handguns) being mandatory.

If you don't know what the hell is going on, GET INFORMED.

You need to know that even user friendly programs like Microsoft FrontPageCan gather your computers information (who it is registered to, unique user id code, and your IP number) and send that info to a private page, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT HAPPENED.

I spoke with several forum users that set up little "tracker" programs in the threads they initiated that grabbed all kinds of info from extremists each time they responded to a thread.

It is really quite simple, and as yet NOT illegal.

Do yourselves a favor and LEARN about the technology that is sitting right in front of your face before you keep using it in such ignorance.

-- (Cia@gov.plant), March 07, 2001.

CIA@GOV.Plant,

That's exactly what I'm trying to do--get informed. And this thread has been very helpful. I can't learn everything there is to know about being online, that's why I'm asking. geesh...

Uncle Bob,

Thanks for answering. I'm just in the middle of something right now and I want to get more people involved--not by having a conversation with myself (smile) but my better-half posts too and we don't *always* agree. So I don't want the moderator to think I'm just causing trouble with myself (if that makes any sense ;-)

(lol re: manny)

kb: No, I'm not threatening anyone or telling people how to make bombs or anything like that. So the "Dark Forces" would have no interest in me and my small "movement." ;-)

Thanks again guys,

Mar.

-- Not now, not like this (AgentSmith0110@aol.com), March 07, 2001.

CIA that doesn't make sense to me. If that's possible, how come the moderators at the Original TimeBomb didn't know who the banned people were?

-- (Netsc@pe 6.0), March 07, 2001.

CIA is just shooting off his/her mouth. Dave's right, it takes a good hacker to get addresses or users careless enough to post thier truthful personal info in profiles. I see that from clueless women and they get all freaky when I tell them their correct personal info. Idiots. I don't stalk or hack. But I know how to read.

-- (Weeble@wee.ble), March 07, 2001.

Netsc@pe 6.0

I don't know what access to info a greenspun sysops has. Ezboard is very, very private. Even though I started the forum, I have no access to information regarding visitors, IP's, URL's, domains, etc. I get some of that info from Hitbox. No IP info though. AOL is AOL. The same for any other domain that views the site. Most domains have netblock in place so if I had an IP from a visitor Netblock would prevent me from viewing info about the user. Try Sam Spade, it'll show you what netblock is all about.

Cia@gov.plant

Put your money where your mouth is. Post my IP, it's locked and wont change until you do. I can change it after you post it even though I'm on DSL (I work for my provider so I know how)...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), March 07, 2001.

Cia I thought about it last night, and I'm sorry bu I just don't believe you. I think the only information you can get off a machine from webpages is numbers. (I have to exclude Pentium III's though because I think they now have the capacity to display PSN's(? Those ID numbers to verify someone and their charge card).

Earlier, you made the bold statement that you could tell who a computer is registered to and that we (implied) are dumb and should take a computer course. I'd like to echo Bob and challenge you to post a new post and tell me who I am. I already know people can get my monitor info, IP and numerical information ... I'd like you to prove you can get my name off my computer.

If you can't do it today that's ok. I understand what it's like to be busy. But if you can't do it by next Wednesday I'm going to have to believe you were just puffing smoke.

Oh yeah, one more thing before I go. Would you please clearly label your post "IP tracing" from Cia@gov.plant so that those who don't want to participate won't click on it?

Thanks.

-- (Netsc@pe 6.0), March 08, 2001.

U people.

make sure to sign up for reading comprehension at the same time as basic computing skills, K?

-- (Cia@gov.plant), March 09, 2001.

cia said...

You need to know that even user friendly programs like Microsoft FrontPageCan gather your computers information (who it is registered to, unique user id code, and your IP number) and send that info to a private page, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT HAPPENED. I use FP2K, no way it does that without visible code such as perl or java, just view source of any web page and you'll see the code to track anything

and...

I spoke with several forum users that set up little "tracker" programs in the threads they initiated that grabbed all kinds of info from extremists each time they responded to a thread. Just view source of any post and you'll see the top-secret hidden embedded tracking code...I can't seem to find any on this forum

and...

It is really quite simple, and as yet NOT illegal. *sigh*

Perhaps we do comprehend...perhaps you need to brush-up on your public boasting skills...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), March 09, 2001.

Uncle Bob, you meanin to tell me that it's illegal for me to tell that coward manny that I want to have a gunfight out in the mainstreet of Pasco with him or to tell him I'm goin to kick em in the ass so hard he'll have to swallow to take a shit?

-- Boswell (cjseed@webtv.net), March 09, 2001.

Ignore that guy, Bob. He's all talk and no substance. He can't tell me what my name is and he knows it. (That may not apply to other people though.)

We're just wasting our time.

-- (Netsc@pe 6.0), March 09, 2001.

Geez U people are DENSE.

I never said *I* ran the programs here....OTHERS did. It IS possible to hide script from browsers, but I won't waste my time telling you doorknobs about that. *I* don't give a sh*t about your IP #'s. and finally, whenever you hit a "submit" button, there could be a TON of hidden code that gathers all kind of info you know nothing about. I used to run guestbook programs that gathered the IP, machine name(I.E. the registered users name) and such. NOWHERE could the code for that be seen by "view source".

Lastly, If you bother to get an account with certain webpage statistic gathers, you could set the code into a thread such as this one (if greenspun's format will allow it) and gather the info and SEND IT to another page, WITHOUT MOST PEOPLE KNOWING ABOUT IT.

see this site for more info, *I* don't have the time OR desire to mess with you knob-jobs anymore.

Caio

-- (Cia@gov.plant), March 09, 2001.

Calling me a "door knob" is starting to hurt my feelings.

I know you said *other* people.

*Other* people were pulling your chain *for the most part*.

Unless I and other people I know completely blew past something at Shields Up, the only information they give there is what ports are open. We weren't talking about --hacking-- computers, we were talking about information retrieved from webpages. I *know* information can be taken from webpages, but I also *know* it is *numerical*, not *letters*.

Now, you can continue to call me names or you can prove you know what you're talking about.

Or, you can e-mail me.

I won't even call you names in return ;-D

-- (netty@graphic-designer.com), March 09, 2001.

Cia is right. I am a door knob.

People can get your real name off your computer.

-- (Netsc@pe 6.0), March 09, 2001.

I do believe cia called you a knob job in addition to a door knob.

-- areu (areu@knob.job), March 09, 2001.

Oh GAWD!!!!!!!

Do I really have to be so basic?!?!?!?!

Just how f*&^$ing dense are you NetGhost?

HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK 'LETTERS' ARE REPRESENTED??????

EVER HEARD OF.....BINARY????????

KNOW WHAT ALPHANUMERIC MEANS???????

HOW BOUT THESE---

0's & 1's

OFF OR ON. THE ONLY LANGUAGE COMPUTERS UNDERSTAND.

SH*T. SOME PEOPLES LITTLE KIDS........

-- (U@R.2), March 10, 2001.

see that hidden input type? How do you think Greenspun gets your IP number? Crystal F'in Ball?

-- (U@R.2), March 10, 2001.

-- (U@R.2), March 10, 2001.