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[Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to zog...

http://pub67.ezboard.com/fyourdontimebomb2000.showMessage?topicID=23951.topic

...as long as I don't threaten to physically harm anyone, and as long as I label my posting as "Religion," I can basically post anything I want to.

this post is to all my Jewish friends here (if there are any left). You are all sub-human hybrids. God will see to it that you get your reward. Fourth Reich Nazis will rule the world.

zog Administrator (2/18/01 11:06:18 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAHAHAHAHAHA! What are you smoking? I never posted byte one on any of those threads or topics you are refering to, I hold no "nazi" viewpoints, I have never posted anything on any forum anyplace on the net that indicates I am either an admirer or supporter of the past german national socialist party, nor any of their genocidal campaigns against people they perceived to be "non aryan", nor any of the current incarnations of same. And you also are clueless when it comes to my own personal religious beliefs as well, because I have written very little on them, for the main reason is that I don't believe in proseleytising my religious beliefs via the spoken or written word, in short, I just don't do it much. I believe basically in the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and not wishing harm upon my person, direct no harm to others, with the sole exception of I reserve the right of self-defense. I also don't believe any one race, tribe, nationality whatever has a lock on either being 'the pure exalted ones" or that they consist of "all the evil ones". I believe that ther's good, bad, and medicore and a little of both in all nationalities.

Now, want to continue, or do you want to further get upset where it isn't warranted?

IANAD Registered User (2/18/01 11:09:01 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, "zog" -- that would be "Zionist Occupation Government", I believe?

WFK Registered User (2/18/01 11:12:02 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sys Ops, where are you????

nabi Registered User (2/18/01 11:13:33 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not smoking anything, zog. What I'm referring to is this post on the thread I cited:

zog wrote:

Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --speaking only for myself, I personally avoid reading any threads that have [rel] in the topic header, as much as possible. You have two sets of quotes, some from the thread, others you dug up from someplace else. None of what you pasted from the original thread contains a direct threat of violence directed at anyone, they contain opinions you don't agree with. big difference. The other quotes are irrelevant to your point, ie, "allowing" it or not. I can very easily find similar quotes from black human, non christian and non jew louis farrakhan, for example. You can also find quotes from one set of jewish claiming people claiming that only they are the real jews, talking about other sets of jewish people. All similar. We frequently have very vigorous and lively and strident strictly political debate as well, with all sorts of quotage and opinions. Every corner of the spectrum, every description known, every angle and nuance.

Well, so what, ain't that the deal here?

anyone is free to comment, to read or not read, any and all of the threads and posts. Atleast a few times a month, we get labeled by someone as being "pro" this or that, or that this board "only allows" this or that, and it's crap, it's wrong. the sysops here are neither, this board is primarily a secular board, {rel} topic header was added ON PURPOSE to try and steer religious discussion for those who wanted them-actually a minority here judging by the collective sysops mail and public posting pronouncements-so that all subjects may be covered.

Here's the biggest clue I can give you SKIP [REL] TOPICS. don't read them, don't jump into that, because religion is the one topic that causes the most divisiveness, causes the most of anyones buttons to be pushed, and near as I can see, results in the LEAST amount of anyones minds being changed from their point of view to someone elses point of view. Now with that said, why some folks want to keep doing that, I have no idea at all. My personal beliefs are quite different in a way on religion,and they mostly don't include word wrangling over it, although I thoroughly enjoy word wrangling on other subjects. Different strokes. I think the bible can be interpreted some many dufferent ways as there are readers of same, and any amount of "proofs" can abd wilk and have been found on any number of subjects, same with the torah or koran most likely, although I will admit to never checking either of the two latter out.

I distinctly remembeer reading last few days a variety of opinions on saddam hussein and on iraq, vaguely similar, as in "should have finished the job", "evil", "wipe em out", and etc. Same with the city proper of jerusalem. commentary, by various people. Hear it about dems, repubs, greenies, commies,liberals, conservatives,rich people, poor people,middle class people, business people, blue collar people,buyers,sellers,middlemen,end users,originators,men,women,otherwise,WHATEVER.

My opinion, WHO CARES Don't agree, then ya don't agree, move on down the road, or enter the debate, or nothing, but we simply cannot control 100% of 100% of every post and posters brainwave activity here. If someone gets a direct threat, or if it's seen or broguht to a sysops attention, that's a different story. I have cruised around the ezboard system before, this site is TAME in comparison to various boards I've found just looking at random. it's a LARGE board, but it's rather tame in comparison.

there's a certain actual very small number of folks here who really,really,really,really want to spend a lot of posting and reading time in very intricate and controversial religious debate. If anyone doesn't wish to participate in those debates, then don't click on their names or those topic headers with [rel]. that is the biggest piece of advice that I have. Wanna know why? Because I can also 100% guarantee that anyone is going to find something that someone else posted that so infuriates them, that they feel is just so false, that the flame wars and screraming begin. It ALWAYS happens, it has NEVER failed to happen, any religion or viewpoint you care to name, any subject about it, at least what I've seen here. In short, if anyone gets whizzed off about a religious post, it's just like being stuck in a traffic jam-HELLO, you're part of the traffic jam, you are part of the problem. No sense complaining about it then, is there? Ridiculous isn't it?

So, if you don't want to get upset, anyone "you" as always, don't be a part of entering that lane that leads to getting stuck in the traffic jam. If you can stand the delays and frustrations, if your ultimate goal in the journey is worth it to you, then enter that lane and proceed towards your destination. Don't expect the board cops to be able to always keep anyones personal "way" free from impediments, that is impossible to do, it ain't happening, and that is carveth on the stone cyber tablets someplace around here. the [rel] traffic lane around here has no speed limits, no inspection of vehicles, no load limits, no lane changing rules, nothing that isn't violated constantly it appears. that was a huge debate back in the changeover from greenspun, then once again leading to the rules of the road, but lets get real here, too, it would take full time no joking around paid sysops to enforce or even try to define the rules on the [rel] threads. Caveat emptor, enter at own risk, buyer beware, your mileage may vary, and etc, etc.

Now, a direct threat of physical violence, one poster to another, different story., someone comes out and says they are going out this afternoon and gonna lynch -pick a group- different story. Besides that, anyone "thou" hath been warneth, don't play on the [rel] playground if you are gonna be a scaredy cat about skinned knees, because you can be 100% assured of receiving 'skinned knees" sometime or another. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Getting upset over some Nazi idiots writing volumes about how the Jews are sub-human hybrids marked for extinction isn't warranted? What does it take to get you mad, zog? How long would I be allowed to post this drivel if it were about any other group? What if I started a thread saying that Christians were really the result of an illicit sexual union between goats and humans? Would that be tolerated? This Nazi theology you administrators have all turned a blind eye to goes beyond religion; it's the not-too subtle foundation for genocide.

Edited by: nabi at: 2/18/01 11:22:16 am

WFK Registered User (2/18/01 11:22:16 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zog, if you won't lock it because you are attacked personally, let someone else lock it!

nabi Registered User (2/18/01 11:25:54 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And just what "personal attack" do you see on zog? Or do you just want this thread locked so it doesn't get viewed? What is your motivation/problem?

zog Administrator (2/18/01 11:32:06 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --IANAD, you haven't been here long enough to have read the explanation I have posted many times for my meatworld nickname I use for a posting handle, but like so many people who are perfectly able to jump to conclusions when they are unwarranted, I'll explain it to you, in little bitty words you might be able to understand.

First, if you look real closely-now don't get a hernia here-you might notice my handle is "zog" and not Z.O.G. That's clue one. Notice the differences in what some folks call capital letters, and then those little dot things called periods? Well, there's a reason the big boys and girls try to use them things, it's to indicate whether something is a single word, or an acronym. You can go look up the definition someplace. My handle actually comes from a farside cartoon, where there's these two cavemen, zog and thag. zog is the one with glasses, who's always inventing stuff, like chiseling a ferrari out of a rock, but then finding out he has to now invent the wheel. Anyway, I went as "zog" to a holloweeny outside block party once, a long time ago, fur suit, and etc. A bunch of my buds from work were there, they stick the nick on me and I've had it ever since. It has zero to do with the acronym.

Do you see how things can be taken out of context when you are trying to prove a false point now?

Now, apply the same lesson in your observations that because someone else other than me posted something, that that makes "tb2k" a nazi run establishment. It has never been so, and quite frankly, it's sorta rude for you to come in here and insist it is. There's a big difference between just a general post, and it being "official policy". The official policy is posted at a link above, suggest you read it.

You need not answer, and I prefer you didn't, just think about it. I have nothing personal against you whatsoever, and if you take the time to actually go back into the archives and read quite a few of the older threads, you'll find I have very little commentary at all in the [rel] topic areas, and never post "hate speech" whatever the heck that is.

I will now post this, and then reply to nabi's question she asked me.

bigwavedave Registered User (2/18/01 11:33:03 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- nabi, you said - "What if I started a thread saying that Christians were really the result of an illicit sexual union between goats and humans?"

why not try it and see? whether or not that union would be illicit might be dependent on where you live, BTW.

nabi Registered User (2/18/01 11:36:37 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BWD,

I would "push the envelope" with such a post to make my point, but all it would do is infuriate a multitude of posters who wouldn't understand what I was doing. But really, how many of these type posts would the sysops tolerate before banning me? Not too many, I bet. Yet the Nazis on this board continue to post their racist garbage without letup, and the sysops threaten those who oppose it, not the garbage itself. Bizarre...

brock Registered User (2/18/01 11:37:01 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- nabi,

You're barking up the wrong tree. Many of us (most?) on the forum don't go onto the religious threads for exactly the reason(s) of what is going on in the thread. If someone is not pro-Jewish or anti-Zionist, that makes that person a Nazi? Nope.

So, if you don't like what is said on the religious threads why not stay off them as many of us do? It'll save you a lot of frustration. And because many of us will not argue for or against any particular "religious" or political leaning, this doesn't mean we agree or disagree. It means we prefer to stay out of those particular arguments.

This forum was not and is not (as far as I know) set up as a religious forum or specifically as a platform for any particular political views. That's why there are headers for the threads. If you don't like what's discussed on certain topics, stay off those.

Dan Reilly Registered User (2/18/01 11:39:28 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zog is definately not the problem. I have observed him to be true to his word and in his role, as he sees it, as a sysop. The problem lies in those who are propagating "doctrine" that is anti-jew, as we've come to identify this group of people. Not so-called, self-styled jews, but Jewish people, regardless.

Dan

IANAD Registered User (2/18/01 11:42:17 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Um, OK, sure, whatever you say, man.

But that "little bitty words you might be able to understand" stuff....... I do believe you insulted me there.

Can I have an apology?

nabi Registered User (2/18/01 11:42:38 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- brock,

I know you are not supportive of Israel, and while I disagree with your views, I respect your right to hold those opinions. But this is not about being pro- or anti-Israeli. It's about promoting a view that says the Jews are not even human, but are a hybrid race that should be wiped out. Again, I ask, how long would I be tolerated here if I posted thread after thread that stated caucasians were half-human/half-monkey and didn't deserve to be viewed as people? Would this idiocy be tolerated???

zog Administrator (2/18/01 11:43:36 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --allright, now nabi, to answer you directly, as clearly as I can. I stated up above a coupld of things, one, it has been my observations that religious discussions in general lead to A-no one every really changing their minds except on very obscure and tiny bits of minutiae, and B- I actually don't read the [rel] topics anymore, nor have any desire to do so, I find rthem always leading to flaming and acrimony. Posting on religious themes, on the other hand, is one of your favorite things to do here, just roughly speaking, but I imagine to be fair you would admit this is true. I never saw that post until alluded to this morning, and once again, like hundreds of times before, it's all the sysops fault, we are all a buncha nazis, it's official nazi policy, and etc, which I reject out of hand.

OK, I'll throw it back at you, which religious viewpoints and commentary are "ok" and which aren't, and please be HIGHLY specific, do PLEASE name exact pronoun names, please indicate which rabbis,priests,ministers,shamans,pastors,ayatollahs and medcine men and womens writings are on the "approved" list, and which are not. You are quite capable of quoting simply voluminous amounts of verse, with highly specific and complex lines and word definitions and analysis and etc, you do it all the time, very erudite and specific, so I am fully confident you can do the same with the "approved" and an "unapproved" set of guidelines and names and writings and published works, etc.

Thankyou for your time and effort. Looking forward to your sets of lists, as it will be greatly reduce the stress and workload around here to have such lists..

nabi Registered User (2/18/01 11:53:19 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- zog,

Even though we don't always agree, I don't have a problem with you. But I do have a problem with the Nazis (easier to spell than anti-semites) on this board who claim that Jews are sub-human and will be have to be wiped off the face the earth so all the "real" people won't have to deal with them.

Does this type rhetoric not bother you? Maybe you don't just understand where I'm coming from. Why don't you tell me your racial background, so I can post a few threads on how your ancestors are not human and how god (whoever you think he/she/it is) will have to wipe them off the face of the earth etc...

Should I begin posting things like that, to see what an uproar we can get started here? If that's not acceptable, why is it acceptable for the Nazis to continually post this same garbage over and over?

data junkie Registered User (2/18/01 11:58:56 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Having only skimmed and no business in this thread I will none the less not let you down by failing to offer an unsolicited opinion.

The RULES apply mostly to STYLE, and NOT to CONTENT EXCEPT when it comes to hate speech.

Now, having no idea to what post nabi refers I must INSIST that if labeling a race as not human IS NOT hate speech then pray tell WHAT IS?

That said, zog is a good man and plays BY THE RULES. I think making a case that a post violates the RULES BECAUSE it is hate speech would render sysop intervention and I can tell you of all the sysops IMHO zog is the best because he that I have seen has NEVER gotten personal in administrative positions but is completely consistent with the rules.

So zog, do you think the post in question was hate?

I didn't read it myself. Haven't been online much lately, have company visiting.

PS: nabi I do not fault you for getting angry. I am just at the idea of what you suggested. Will you make a case for the post being considered as hate speech? If so, how will you present that analysis?

Gia Registered User (2/18/01 11:59:28 am) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nabi- In the course of some particularly nasty altercations that have taken place here during the past couple of months, I have come to understand that zog's position is going to be the bottom line employed by all sysops here. Common sense, good manners, brain activity need not apply. What would happen if you started stupid Christian threads? The abuse would probably be such that you would not want to post here again, which I guess is the aim of their rants as well. I've been at TB2K for over 2 years, and while I may not be the most prolific poster, there are probably some who know that (may or may not care). What I see happening is that old posters who don't wan't to partake of such crap have left, while the religeous lunatic fringe have remained and are actually gaining a new green audience of like minded souls. I mean some of these new folks are so wrapped up in their end-times, all the sinners are trying to deceive us stuff, that even their writing has the tone of the patently insane. Like someone said recently, "I wonder how Mr. Yourdon would like being associated with this stuff?" Well, I guess he must, as he never answered. This board WAS a prep board. It is NOT anymore. You thoughtful ladies and gentlemen have turned it into a Starbuck's for religeous zealots. Nabi, look around, we are the remnant. Instead of seeing the truth of this, they will call the dogs out on us. So be it. Stick and stones my friend.

TECH32 Registered User (2/18/01 12:00:53 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nabi,

I'd rather have the Nazi scum out in the open where we can watch and mock them. They can TRY to bring about another Holocaust but I think they'll find many more Jews willing to shoot back this time. Let's see how brave they are when they kick in a door and get a load buckshot in the face. A few weeks of that and not too many modern day brownshirts will be signing up for the cause...

-TECH32-

zog Administrator (2/18/01 12:04:42 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --Ianad-no, I have no call to apologize to you. You drew first cyber-blood in attacking me, I reserve the right for both a one time sarcastic rebuttal, and I also gave an explanation. I would prefer to just let it drop. No one takes kindly to being attacked when it's unwarranted, and your allusion was both unwarranted and highly inaccurate. Both.

Do not draw a sword and issue a challenge unless you are fairly certain of the outcome, this principal applies in both meat world and cyber world. Take it for what it's worth, and because the same allusion has been attempted by many before you, I am rather unconcerned with it, only concerned enough to offer you an explanation, and lay a little nick back, as I wipe up the drop you spilled on me FIRST. Tit for Tat, I'm willing to let it drop.

jed brulen Registered User (2/18/01 12:10:27 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jew-lovers in the far corner. Jew-haters over here.

Jews

a. anti-constitution, 2nd amendment

b.devious manipulators of the media

c. fiat $ kings extraordinary

d. client state of the US military

e. their mossad motto....by deception thou shall make war.

f. nwo socialists

g. religious psychlos

h. re-builders of the Temple

i. warlords and mercenaries to drug cartels

GEE HAVE I LEFT ANYTHING OUT. SORRY

data junkie Registered User (2/18/01 12:14:16 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jed,

Your tax dollars pay for all that stuff too (temple mount faithful is largely private donations, but since your tax dollars pay $500 a month for each Israeli citizen, some of whom give that money to that movement, well hey, there ya go).

So should we also hate all taxpayers? Sheesh dude.

KoFE Registered User (2/18/01 12:15:47 pm) Reply

Surprised -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But then, the fundies have been getting more shrill as time goes on. The "plan" of keeping everyone divided in order to control, is still going on, thousands of years later. And right here, right now, straight out of a "bible". Hmmmmmm.......

data junkie Registered User (2/18/01 12:15:58 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- POINT: PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. ARE YOU WILLING TO RISK JAIL DUE TO TAX EVASION?

Otherwise you are NO LESS GUILTY of each item you list than ANY individual regardless of race.

dragonslayer2001 Registered User (2/18/01 12:16:51 pm) Reply

Hypocrites -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hypocrites. How the New Agers and Leftists howl about Free Speech as long as you only agree with them.

I don’t like hard core racists – though I have many many complaints about minority crime and whining and minority power broking blackmail. And the murder rate. But white supremacists have just as much right to hate as do blacks and hispanics and asians do. And don’t tell me that everyone other than whites don’t hate just as much as do whites.

Blind liars.

I don’t like hard core bible thumpers and prissy fundamentalists either. I grew up in a rather oppressive, hypocritical Christian environment.

But narrow-minded hypocritical Christians have just as much right to their stupidities as do the Leftists and new agers, and pagans. And the self-righteous sanctimonious Leftists and Environmentalists and pagans are just as full of sh_t as the rest of us.

BUT it is the Leftists, the new agers, the pagans, the demoncrats that have destroyed real free speech, real rule of law with all their “special interests groups” with special privileges under the law.

Let’s see, you can say anything nasty about anyone you want (call someone a Fascist let’s say), but call a homosexual a Homo and bingo, go to jail, lose your house, lose your job.

Hypocrites and destroyers of fair play under the law.

Blacks can kill whites 7 times as often as whites kill blacks but if a white kills a black bingo, special hate laws make his punishment worse.

Hypocrites and destroyers of fair play under the law.

People are stupid, and hate filled, and ignorant, and violent. Change their attitudes by example and by education and love.

You idiots have the audacity to think that YOU can change human nature with laws that will jail everyone that doesn’t agree with your mind control. We’re not talking about disliking and complaining about someone you don’t like, YOU idiots want to JAIL everyone because they hate, which whether you like it or not is perfectly normal human nature.

Examine your own hearts. There is evidence that a lot of people who are the worst gun control advocates are doing so cause they can’t face the violence in their own natures.

I suspect an awful lot of the hypocrites on the left who want to punish and jail the other sides “haters” are just as full of hate and fear, and can’t face their own demons and so want to jail everyone they don’t agree with.

And Nabi, grow up. It is perfectly obvious how the Isreali Jews treat the minorities once they gain absolute control in their own country, so don’t tell me that the Jews are better than anyone else when it comes to beating up their enemies either.

Jews are just as stupid and hate filled as anyone else in the world.

data junkie Registered User (2/18/01 12:18:05 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oops, I got sucked right into that one, eh? Sorry for the thread drift as I stopped to feed the hate speech. ***egg on face***

IANAD Registered User (2/18/01 12:19:07 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not exactly sure what you're getting at with all this sword and blood talk (although you must admit it does have a certain teutonic ring to it), but I do have to say that when you combine it with talk of challenges and "meat world", I find myself quite glad (and safe) that there are certain things that cannot be done to folks over the modem. You can be a scary dude, dude!

IANAD Registered User (2/18/01 12:21:05 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, "psychlos"? Wasn't he the Greek god of incoherent ravings?

nabi Registered User (2/18/01 12:21:52 pm) Reply

Re: Hypocrites -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glad to see the Nazis finally found this thread...

IANAD Registered User (2/18/01 12:23:49 pm) Reply

Re: Hypocrites -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Jews are just as stupid and hate filled as anyone else in the world." - well of course, what else would you expect from the non-human spawn of satan?

nabi Registered User (2/18/01 12:25:02 pm) Reply

Re: Hypocrites -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My point exactly, IANAD:-)... Good to see you here, BTW!

brock Registered User (2/18/01 12:26:08 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- nabi,

You have a point with anyone saying that any group of people are sub-humans. This is plain wrong and stupid. But how about giving the folks on this forum a little credit for being smart enough to see through this type of idiocy and ignore it. No one espousing that type of rubbish is going to lead anyone with any brains to that point of view.

But what you're doing is painting all of us on the forum with a VERY broad brush when you say that somehow we're associated with Nazis when within certain limits free speech is allowed as much as possible.

Yes, you have the right to feel angry when you believe that you've been personally attacked, being a member of a particular group, but do your battle on the thread where this is taking place and don't tar all the rest of us because someone on the forum holds extremist views.

You and I disagree on some issues and yet we've managed to remain civil and respect the other. Not everyone can do that. Keep an eye open to those folks who seem to have a nasty streak and avoid them. That's what I do and I'm sure that's what many others on the forum do also.

Don't get frustrated with everyone on the forum because of a relatively few individuals who are difficult to deal with. This is a good forum. We can and do learn much from each other. I might not agree with you about everything, but I am interested in where you're coming from and why. The trick is to do this in a polite manner and ignore those who can't.

data junkie Registered User (2/18/01 12:27:49 pm) Reply

Re: Hypocrites -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well duty calls, gotta jet. Don't consider for one second that the nazi views are shared by the majority here; we're much too clever for that! But power to you for taking a stand.

dragonslayer2001 Registered User (2/18/01 12:29:13 pm) Reply

Nabi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You prove my point.

Fascists, Nazi's, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, someone said something bad about the Israeli's.

Fascists, Nazi pigs, die dogs die. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Leftist rule book Rule 3. Always attack the messenger with vile unproven slanders, never argue the arguement on the points. Slander. Slander. Slander.

Oh gosh, someone didn't agree with me. Guess I better leave the board. Take my toys and go play somewhere else. Yes, that will show them. I got backbone, yesseree.

See ya.

Oh, and don't spend too much time fuming if I just ignore you for a while.

IANAD Registered User (2/18/01 12:37:52 pm) Reply

Re: Nabi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leftist?

LEFTIST?!?!?

Harumph!

Oh, here, let me try it out, it sounds like so much fun. "Did you know that Jewish scientists have discovered that Aryans have common DNA strands with chimpanzees? In fact, well over 90% of their DNA is identical to chimpanzee DNA. Yes, it's really true!

Aryan want a banana?

I wonder if they can be trained to prance about an amuse the Rich Jews?

IANAD Registered User (2/18/01 12:40:03 pm) Reply

Re: Hypocrites -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Nabi. There's nothing like an amusing battle of wits after a miserable night spent wrestling with a three channel RAID card.

zog Administrator (2/18/01 12:58:43 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---hmm, wasn't aware that the "teutons" were the only historical users of swords, but guess if you say so, it must be true then. I know my short, dark haired, dark eyed ancestors must have used something else to fight off the tall blond vikings, then, us not knowing about swords and such.

--you keep on assuming much, new visitor, hope this doesn't apply to your dealings in "real life" of which the word "meatworld" is the commonly accepted word used in cyber space to describe and name it.

Assumptions can sometimes be quite wrong.

--anyway, you will see as you read more, I much like to use analogy and metaphors in my writings on this or that topic. Well, except on the [rel] threads, which I avoid, and as you can see why. Please, feel free to explore aqny topic you choose, or to add a reply, just be aware that on the religious theads you very likely will almost always find something to disagree with, and perhaps to disagree with to an extreme. thus it has been so here.

personally, I would rather not have to sysop [rel] whatsoever, and will admit to avoiding it as much as possible, as I find it most silly.

Few hundred years ago "the world is FLAT, and here's the proof"... and, etc.

As to the seed spawn of the debble nonsense, well, there ya go, that's my opinion on it, but, really don't care, either, and still most likely won't vist or comment in the religious threads. they are, my opinion, un sys-op-able, and will remain so. If the sysops were to take a very strict view, and following just oodles of actual and implied rules and regs and etc, basically one in 50 of those posts would be 'allowed", and maybe 10,000 flames would have been awarded already. Of course, I think that's silly,too, and have no desire to do it.

In actual strict interpretation of "hate speech", anytime someone posted any observnce that constituted a disagreement with another on the topic of race or religion or whatnot, then that could be constried as "hate speech", and as such, result in all sorts of actually non-dire consequences. It's silly, goes right into the lamer department. If someone doesn't agree 1005 about israels status, or even the definition of what a "jew" is, bam! it's hate speech, ohhh, sysops, ya gots to do something about it, gnash teethm,beat breast, howl in anguish. someone else pastes some drivel they found on that catholics aren't christians, oh no excuse me, that only catholics are christian, whoops, I meant to say that only catholics who don't practice but are born last week again knights of living templars of the 78th degree are chrisitans, or WHATEVER, then ohh no, that's "hate speech", sysops, do something about it, you're all a buncha _______ fill in the blansk bad guys of your choice.

Rubbish, stuff and nonsense. Illogical. Ridiculous. childish. but, to a lot of folks, VERY SERIOUS INDEED. IF YOU DON'T TAKE BACK WHAT YOU SAID, OR BELIEVE AS I SAY, I'M GONNA CALL MY MOMMY ON YOU!

Ain't my call what other folks believe..

Like I said before, the [rel] topics are always by far the most-shall we say-"controversial", the least amount of understanding is ever presented, and the most involved and complex set of proofs, non proofs, attempted proofs, views, flaming-you name it. Wanna go for a ride on the roller coaster, climgb aboard, trip too scary or "anyone you" get seasick, then take the bus or walk,the roller coaster ain't your cup of tea..

Bill P Registered User (2/18/01 1:07:00 pm) Reply

Re: Hypocrites -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am sorry to say I have read all of the above posts and find zerp redeeming value on thios thread.

I vote: DELETE.

IANAD Registered User (2/18/01 1:10:07 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually, coffee is my cup of tea.

As to "meat world" conflicts, I prefer to avoid them whenever possible. But when not possible to avoid, I prefer to win. As quickly as possible.

I've found that poking fun at nazis is the best way to counter their propaganda. They want nothing more than to be taken seriously, and feared. The one thing they cannot deal with is being laughed at. And gosh darn it they're so funny! Picture in your mind some dork all decked out in brown regalia (ask me some time why Hitler wore brown pants), swastika armband, goose stepping through some neighborhood, and you look, and break down laughing, and he gets all huffy and says you laughing at me?

I mean, heck, if the guy didn't want folks laughing at him, he shouldn't dress up like a clown!

It's the same thing in the unmeat world. Can't see the virtual uniform but there's no mistaking the venom.

A laugh a day keeps the nazis at bay!

WFK Registered User (2/18/01 1:19:18 pm) Reply

Re: Hypocrites -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill P you are right, but I think they cannot delete, just lock. This was entirely predictable, but my lock request was pit-bulled.

Amazed Registered User (2/18/01 1:42:28 pm) Reply

Re: Hypocrites -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- nabi, I want you to know that I am not and never have been anti-jewish. I have participated on the thread you find so offensive because I wanted to know WHY someone believes something that was so alien to me. I do believe as an American that all have a right to their opinion. I also believe as a Christain, that we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. Please do not feel, at least in my case as I can't speak for others, that I in any way believe that you are non human. If I have been rubbing elbows with a bunch of Nazi's than believe me when I say that my horror will outdo yours, hands down.

jed brulen Registered User (2/18/01 2:00:45 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So data junkie I'm guilty of "hate speech". At first I thought you meant I hated taxpayers duh. I almost missed your comment because it didn't appear addressed to me, feeding the hate speech huh. It's obvious now though you think I'm some kind of Nazi. You'll notice however I tried to keep my list based on reason. I didn't call Jews sexual perverts or race traitors; just socialists, religious nuts and gun haters etc. You can't handle that? Then you're one sick space puppy kiddo, not able to distinguish reality from insanity. I'm not about to let jews in the media or elsewhere define reality for me. The same for Xtians who are having a real love/hate relationship with jews on this NG. And btw if you haven't noticed Jews are far more influential than Xtians in the govt of the US and the US as a whole. I hope it doesn't bother you being a second class citizen.

Dan Reilly Registered User (2/18/01 2:04:51 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...And btw if you haven't noticed Jews are far more influential than Xtians in the govt of the US and the US as a whole"

You wouldn't be implyin' that dubya ain't a real Christian, would ya?

Dan

IANAD Registered User (2/18/01 2:08:37 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love it!

It's like having my own window to history! The same old propaganda that slowly built to a crescendo in germany in the 1930s is starting to build momentum.

Man, I am impressed!

Of course honesty forces me to concede that I'd be a lot happier if it was merely one of those historical reenactments (the most accurate ever, I think) rather than a lesson in the "those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" axiom.

But even so, I'm honored to be able to watch history in the [re]making.

jed brulen Registered User (2/18/01 2:36:24 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ianad ....from your substantial comments on this thread I don't think you would know a historical reenactment if it bit you in the butt. If you're addressing something to me put my name on it. Afterall I like a joke as good as the next Nazi.

nabi Registered User (2/18/01 2:43:35 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- brock wrote: how about giving the folks on this forum a little credit for being smart enough to see through this type of idiocy and ignore it

I would, brock, but read the threads in question and see how many people are being "enlightened" by this "idiocy." I think you'll be surprised at how seriously this is being taken by a significant minority of posters here.

I'm not labeling everyone on this forum as a Nazi. But I'm tired of standing by and watching the Nazi faction gain an ever-increasing foothold here. Ignoring them doesn't work; they only get bolder. I've tried to give the posters in question the benefit of the doubt, but no longer. They need to be held accountable for the vile garbage they are spewing ON THIS FORUM. If they want to go to the Aryan brotherhood forum and post to their black heart's content, that's fine. But I'm tired of it HERE. Some kind or controls can be instituted to stop this warped hatred, or I can move along myself. Don't really care either way, at this point.

Edited by: nabi at: 2/18/01 2:47:52 pm

Logan888 Registered User (2/18/01 2:58:06 pm) Reply

They're coming to take us away away -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nabi, as stupid and vile as some of the things people say may be they still have a first amendment right to say it and until you start posting similar stupid and vile things regarding other people's racial backgrounds we'll never know if your's will be jerked off the board before their's so spare us the vain speculations.

I also don't remember seeing anything written by you concerning people like Barak, Peres, Rabin and their ilk who are so obviouly trying to destroy Israel from within, they are much more a threat to Jews than any brain dead poster on this site. Have you said anything about them? They are nothing but stooges for the NWO Nazis who want to see all Christians and Jews murdered and all of humankind enslaved to their satanic paganism and veganism.

You'll live a longer happier life if you stop taking yourself so seriously.

L888

lynnie46 Registered User (2/18/01 3:15:43 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I understand Nazis. My father believed the Aryan race was the pinnacle of evolutionary superiority, and that the Jews got just what they deserved and Hitler did not go far enough. He said recently that it is too bad a man like Hitler is not in power; he would just wipe Iraq off the map and that would be the end of it. Hitler understood that you eleiminate troublemakers completely.

Having processed all that over the years, and the hell of my chilhood ( there is no mercy in that sort of soul), I find myself able to identify with the posts here that the average American would label as extreme conspiracy theory nutcase thinking. But I have seen to much to not feel what is coming. Cheer up nabi, I think next time it will be fundamentalist Christians and right wing dissidents who will be eliminated.

While I sympathize with Nabi on this one, I see it ultimately as a discussion of nephilim, or human-alien hybrids. Christians have them described twice in the bible ( Anak also)and they are fallen angel hybrids, not interplanetary aliens. But others like David Icke ( sp?)hold to a view of lots of reptilians posing as humans in high places, and others believe in human/alien hybrids who live among us.

I personally do not think the Jews are such hybrids, but I do think such hybrids can exist. And they would be non human, or sub human, whatever.

My gripe with that other thread is that neither from the bible or the empirical evidence does the "jews are alien hybrids" theory hold water.

While it has bothered me a lot to see all the people on that thread swallowing the main posts, I see it as a very educational picture of the mentality "out there". I grew up with it, and the future is not pretty.

Edited by: lynnie46 at: 2/18/01 3:21:38 pm

nabi Registered User (2/18/01 3:41:02 pm) Reply

Re: [Rel] 21st Century Nazis Welcomed On TB2K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lynnie wrote: Cheer up nabi, I think next time it will be fundamentalist Christians and right wing dissidents who will be eliminated...

As well as Jews, as the attitudes here show. In fact, the Scriptures make it plain that both Christians and Jews will be persecuted at the end (Rev. 12:17).

I once stood up for one of the posters on the threads in question and defended him against charges of nazism. Clearly I was mistaken to do so. Whatever his motives, be they hatred, jealousy, envy, etc., he and those who think the way he does will be willing pawns in the tribulation that is coming on this world. I totally agree with you; the future won't be pretty...

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