SENATOR STUNS WASHINGTON: WE COULD IMPEACH HIM AGAIN!

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SENATOR STUNS WASHINGTON: WE COULD IMPEACH HIM AGAIN! Sun Feb 11 2001 15:55:34 ET

WASHINGTON -- [AFP] -- A veteran US Republican senator suggested Sunday former president Bill Clinton could be impeached again in connection with a series of pardons and sentence commutations he issued at the end of his term, including the controversial pardon of billionaire commodities trader Marc Rich.

"This may surprise a lot of people and I'm not suggesting that it should be done, but president Clinton technically could still be impeached," said Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, in an interview with Fox television.

Specter, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is looking into 140 pardons and 36 sentence commutations issued by Clinton at the eleventh hour of his presidency and is expected to hold a hearing on the matter on Wednesday.

The loudest outcry was caused by Clinton's pardon of Rich, who fled the United States for Switzerland in 1983 faced with charges he failed to pay more than 48 million dollars in taxes.

Rich was also charged with buying more than 200 million dollars worth of oil from Iran, a violation of a US trade embargo, at the very moment Tehran was holding Americans hostage.

"A president may be impeached for the emoluments of office such as the substantial sums being spent on the library, such as the bodyguards, such as pension," said Specter.

The senator said the option was brought up to him by a former legal counsel to former president Gerald Ford, who pardoned Richard Nixon soon after the latter's ignominious 1974 resignation in the wake of the Watergate scandal.

Specter said that while he was not officially proposing to launch new impeachment proceedings against Clinton, "somebody in the House of Representatives may do that tomorrow."

Clinton was already impeached by the House in 1998 on perjury and obstruction of justice charges stemming from his affair with Monica Lewinsky, a former White House intern. He was acquitted by the US Senate in early 1999.

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TRANSCRIPT FROM FOX NEWS SUNDAY: [FOX's Tony Snow, Brit Hume and Sen. Arlen Specter [R-PA]

SNOW: So, Senator, let's suppose it's a breach of trust. Let's suppose that people find out that the Rich pardon was conducted under auspices they don't like. What on earth can Congress do about it?

SPECTER: Well, in our investigation we found a very interesting point that I hadn't known about in talking to the counsel who represented President Ford in the pardon of President Nixon. And this may surprise a lot of people, and I'm not suggesting that it should be done, but President Clinton technically could still be impeached. And you say how can that happen, he's out of office? Because a president may be impeached for the emoluments of office, such as the substantial sums being spent on the library, such as the bodyguards, such as his pension.

President Clinton avoided a conviction on impeachment the last time around because he had not lost the confidence of the American people, and we didn't want to shake up the government, but he's not in office anymore.

HUME: Are you planning to propose that he be impeached?

SPECTER: No, I'm not suggesting it, but Brit, wait and see. Somebody in the House of Representatives may do that tomorrow. That's their job to talk about articles of impeachment.

HUME: Do you have someone in mind or are you just speculating?

SPECTER: Well, no, I don't have anybody in mind. But I was surprised to find that you could impeach a president after he was out of office. And some people have suggested that you don't need a constitutional amendment because you could always impeach a president, and when it's done in the last days, a lot of responses were, ``Well, you can't impeach the president, he's out of office.'' So that when counsel to President Ford told me that impeachment is still possible, I don't think that trial would take too long.

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SENATOR STUNS WASHINGTON: WE COULD IMPEACH HIM AGAIN!

-- Ain't Gonna Happen (Not Here Not@ever.com), February 11, 2001

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Arlen Specter hillarious! The author of the Warren Commission report, gotta love it. Ya Arlen is sure a great digger of facts. So good in fact his "notes" get sealed for decades from the prying eyes of the America Public. Like they have any damn right to see them. Like the Constitution means anything.

Talk about grabbing at straws. Chances of this crusade ever seeing the light of day? zilch. This isn't news, it is horseshit is what it is. Nice job FoxNews!

Hey Arlen, how bout you present a bill eliminating ALL taxpayer money for all formers beyond SS protection? ya like that is ever going to happen.

-- (doc_paulie@hotmail.com), February 11, 2001.


At this rate this could turn out to be the greatest "wag the dog" stunt the Repugnants ever pulled off.

Whatever they're up to, you can bet it's no good. One thing is for sure, they're using Clinton again to make the public fed up with Democrats so that the huge tax cut can slide through uncontested, widening the gap between rich and poor to the largest in history.

Not to mention all of the other filthy shit they've got their hands into that we don't even know about. Nice distraction, real nice. I only wish they would do their fucking jobs for a change, i.e. what the the people want them to do.

-- yuuck! (repugs@are.disgusting!), February 12, 2001.


>>Whatever they're up to, you can bet it's no good. One thing is for sure, they're using Clinton again to make the public fed up with Democrats so that the huge tax cut can slide through uncontested, widening the gap between rich and poor to the largest in history.

Once again, it's not Clinton making the public fed up with Democrats, it's the Republicans who are making Clinton act this way, so as to make the public fed up with Democrats. In other words, Clinton is secretly under Republican control.

Note: This post contains no potty mouth words, leave that to the slobbering snarlers.

-- Sooky (SWA@ceram.net), February 12, 2001.


No, It's not the public who's continuing the Clinton C*ck Hunt; it's the Republicans and their whore media.

Let's get our facts straight.

Oh wait a minute; you're a W "supporter", right? Nevermind.

(Hey, Ain't; I'm pretty sure medical science has made great strides in the Clinton C*ck Withdrawal Syndrome area. You might want to look into it.)

-- (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), February 12, 2001.


“Let's get our facts straight.”

That’s a great idea Pat. Your facts or mine? :>)

-- Barry (bchbear863@cs.com), February 12, 2001.



I would like to publically give "major dittos" to the Moonie supporter, rightwinger, Michael Reagan. Even he grilled Specter over this crud on his radio show today.

Yep Doc tunes to MR, fit that into your dualism, lol.

-- (doc_paulie@hotmail.com), February 13, 2001.


Why are we suddenly going to impeach Clinton again? To bury the story of Funeralgate: Bush Charged With Lying Under Oath About Influence-Peddling

How many voters knew that President Bush is credibly charged with lying under oath about influence-peddling in a whistle-blower lawsuit that's scheduled for trial this year? Known as Funeralgate, Eliza May's wrongful termination lawsuit also questions the credibility of Bush's nominee to head the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Joe Allbaugh, formerly his campaign manager, whom the AP article about his nomination reported is "at the center" of the potentially sensational case. (1) Allbaugh's confirmation hearing before the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee is scheduled for Feb. 13. If Democrats break the conspiracy of silence about Funeralgate by calling Eliza May to explain her allegations against Bush and Allbaugh, the country may get a jolting preview of a presidential lawsuit that could make the Paula Jones case look like mere gossip.

May, the fired executive director of the Texas Funeral Service Commission, charges that Gov. Bush lied under oath in an affidavit when he flatly denied that he had spoken to anyone involved about a regulatory crackdown her agency instituted against one of his major political contributors - or that he even had any knowledge of the facts of the matter. His sworn affidavit has already been contradicted at least four times, including by conflicting testimony from one of his appointees in a deposition taken on Oct. 17.

www.auschron.com/issues/d...aked6.html (2)

Learning exactly what Bush swore and exactly how his affidavit has been contradicted would have caused voters to question Bush's claim to moral superiority. Arguably, the withholding of that basic information from the electorate and the failure of the press to ask Bush to explain his side of the story amounts to the elite media having thrown a presidential election.

Though from the start legal experts warned that Bush was at extreme jeopardy from May's case and should settle it before being required to testify, all efforts to get this 23 month-old lawsuit disposed of have failed. After his sworn affidavit was contradicted, the court approved adding Bush as a defendant in April of last year. Asserting that Bush "knowingly permitted his staff to intervene improperly" in an investigation by her agency, her suit alleges that his actions were intended to "subvert the lawful conduct of public officials in the performance of their official duties." A Jan. 26 article in the Austin Chronicle on the latest developments in the case, entitled "The Lawsuit That Wouldn't Die," reports that Bush will be ordered to testify this year.

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May contends that Bush and his staff impeded her investigation of the world's largest chain of funeral homes, Service Corporation International, whose founder and CEO, Robert Waltrip, is a bountiful supporter of the Bush family. The tough-talking Houston tycoon, whose mortuaries are said to bury one in nine Americans, contributed $45,000 to Governor Bush and over $100,000 to the Bush presidential library, as well as providing a $70,000 honorarium for a speech by President Bush, the use of his corporate jet, and other generosities.

www.salon.com/politics200...print.html
www.salon.com/news/featur...index.html (4)

Following complaints about gruesomely inept embalmings - including a protest by anguished parents that their son's body "leaked maroon fluid" and drew gnats -- May launched an investigation of SCI mortuaries by conducting surprise inspections. The TFSC inspectors allegedly found that unlicensed embalmers had been employed with macabre results. Presented for open viewing, a man's body had been so overpumped with embalming fluid that it was oozing from his eyes, ears and mouth - causing his younger brother to run away screaming, "That's not my brother!" But Waltrip was defiant. Enraged by May's 'raids,' he exercised what his spokesman called his "constitutional right" to take his protests "up the ladder" to Gov. Bush.

www.reporternews.com/1999...s0816.html
www.washingtonpost.com/wp...082399.htm
www.latimes.com/news/poli...bush/19990 905/t000079438.html (5)

May alleges that she was then pressured by Bush aides to back off. According to her lawsuit against Bush, Waltrip, SCI, and the TFSC, she was summoned to the office of Joe Allbaugh, then Gov. Bush's chief of staff, for an intimidating meeting with Waltrip. She says Allbaugh allowed state Senator John Whitmire, who represents Waltrip's home district, to grill her about the investigation in front of the mortuary tycoon. Allbaugh's office told the AP that his role was "simply to listen," but at another meeting with Allbaugh, May she says that he told her, "This isn't going anywhere."

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www.auschron.com/issues/v...side1.html (6)

After SCI was fined $445,000 by the commission for improper embalming procedures and other violations, May claims the legislature came under pressure from SCI and the governor's office to shut down the agency - and that in Feb. of '99, she was fired as a result of Waltrip's wrath, using the excuse that another commission employee had complained that she asked him to research SCI's campaign contributions. SCI hasn't paid the fine, which presumably may be a reason why the lawsuit hasn't been settled. And after being restructured and losing most of its enforcement powers, the agency has been undergoing a "sunset review" and reportedly may be eliminated soon. (7)

On July 20, 1999, in an affidavit intended to persuade the court to reject May's request to depose him, Gov. Bush swore: "I have had no conversations with Texas Funeral Services Commission officials, agents or representatives concerning the investigation of SCI by the Texas Funeral Services Commission or any dispute arising from it. I have had no conversations with SCI officials, agents, or representatives concerning the investigation or any dispute arising from it. I have no personal knowledge of relevant facts of the investigation nor do I have any personal knowledge of relevant facts concerning any dispute arising from this investigation. I have never asked anyone to take a role or to become involved in any way in this investigation or any dispute arising from it or given direction to anyone who might be involved in the SCI investigation or dispute."

Of course, there would have been nothing wrong with Gov. Bush having known about the investigation of SCI or the dispute arising from it or having spoken with those involved about the matter. But that he locked himself into such unequivocal denials is the crux of his problem, which may result in the distraction of another sensational presidential lawsuit. The obvious question is why Bush's lawyers had him risk locking himself into such flat-out denials when he knew they could be contradicted. Why was it so necessary for him to avoid being questioned under oath?

Given this incautious affidavit, May's lawyers introduced an August 1999 Newsweek expose' www.msnbc.com/news/479524.asp by Michael Isikoff, who developed the Monica Lewinsky scandal by covertly working with Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones's lawyers and the Office of the Independent Counsel. Isikoff got key Funeralgate players to go on the record with contradictions of Bush's sworn statement. He told of a meeting on April 15, 1998 with Waltrip and his lawyers in Allbaugh's office during which Bush stopped by and said to Waltrip, "Hey, Bobby, are those people still messing with you?" Isikoff reported that when Waltrip said they were, Bush turned to the wealthy mortician's lawyer/lobbyist, Johnnie B. Rogers, and asked if he was "taking care of him." (9)

Twice when asked about this, Bush told reporters that his questions about the matter didn't count as a conversation, but merely a "brief exchange." So, apparently Bush's defense may depend on what the meaning of the word 'conversation' is. But by acknowledging that he initiated exchanges about it -- however brief -- with involved parties, he appears to have impeached his claims to have had no knowledge of the investigation or dispute. (10)

The latest contradiction of Bush's affidavit comes from one of Bush's appointees, Charles 'Dick' McNeil, a former chairman of the funeral commission, who testified in a deposition taken on Oct. 17 that in the fall of 1998 Bush briefly inquired about the agency's "problems" with SCI. McNeil swore that during a short conversation Bush said, "Have you got - you and Bob Waltrip - are you and Mr. Waltrip got your problems worked out?" After McNeil answered that they were still trying to work on it, and added, "I hope that we have not been an embarrassment to you or any of this administration," he says the governor said he wasn't an embarrassment to him and told him, "Do your job." Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Dallas Morning News that McNeil was mistaken.

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After state district Judge John Dietz, a Democrat, ruled in August that May's lawyers had to wait until after the election to depose Bush and Allbaugh, May's lawyer, Charles Herring, Jr. told the Dallas Morning News that because McNeil's deposition is "flatly inconsistent with the governor's sworn statement . . . we will proceed with our efforts to depose the governor." Now, reportedly, their depositions are pending. And May's team has filed evidence with the court that Texas Attorney General John Cornyn was also involved in the alleged conspiracy by "covering up their prior improper, illegal actions" in preventing May and the TFSC from enforcing the law. (12)

Potentially, it appears that May's lawsuit about funerals gone dreadfully wrong could be a far more serious matter than the Paula Jones case since it involves allegations of influence-peddling and a cover-up of serious official misdeeds rather than personal misconduct. As the Austin Chronicle's Robert Bryce put it, "the most disturbing part of this mess is that at no time did Bush, Allbaugh, SCI, Cornyn, or Whitmire act on behalf of, or show any concern for, Texas consumers. Instead they acted to protect the fat cats. That's the scandal." May, however, is a Democrat, who once served as the Texas Democratic Party treasurer, and the Bush team asserts that the suit is politically motivated and frivolous.

www.salon.com/news/featur...print.html (13)

But considering that the Jones case was dismissed as meritless, the inauguration of the younger Bush, who campaigned as the un-Clinton, may not mean an end to sensational presidential courtroom drama. He and his nominee to fill the shoes of James Lee Witt at FEMA may have their denials that they punished an agency head for acting to protect the public credibly disputed. A worst-case scenario with the May case trial could have both Bush and Allbaugh's credibility in ruins during an Oklahoma City bombing disaster.

Belatedly - and before the confirmation of Allbaugh - the public needs to hear specific explanations for Bush's contradicted affidavit and for his special assistance to Waltrip. Because, call it karma, revenge, justice, the way of the world, or just reality, the Eliza May case about funeral fraud and stinky oozing bodies looms as the irresistible means for a Gothic comeuppance.

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(2) "It's His Funeral," by Robert Bryce. "Naked City." The Austin Chronicle. 10-27-00.
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"Inconsistency raised in case," by George Kuempel. The Dallas Morning News. 10-24-00.
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"The funeral scandal time line," by Robert Bryce. Salon Magazine. 8-20-99.
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(3) "Experts say Bush should settle whistle-blower suit," by Richard Alm and Mark Curriden.
The Dallas Morning News. 8-26-99.
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"The Lawsuit That Wouldn't Die," by Robert Bryce. The Austin Chronicle. 1-26-01.
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(5) "The Funeral-Home Flap," by Michael Isikoff. Newsweek, Aug. 16, 1999.
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"Fired state funeral agency director says governor is lying," by M. Curriden and G. Kuempel. The Dallas Morning News. 8-19-00.
www.dallasnews.com/specia...uneral.htm

(6) "Bush Tangled in Funeral Industry Suit," by Claudia Kolker. L.A. Times. 9-5-99.
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"Embalming for Dollars," by Robert Bryce. The Austin Chronicle. 7-9-99.
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"Going up the ladder isn't cheap," by Molly Ivins. The Abilene Reporter News.
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SHRUB: The Short But Happy Political Life of G.W. Bush by Molly Ivins & Lou Dubose. 2000. pp.103-6.
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(7)"The Plot Thickens," by Robert Bryce. The Austin Chronicle. 5-5-2000.
www.auschron.com/issues/d...ture5.html

"Burying the Opposition: The Funeralgate players," by Robert Bryce. The Texas Observer. 5-28-99.
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www.auschron.com/issues/d...aked6.html

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www.reporternews.com/1999...m0904.html

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auschron.com/issues/dispa...ture3.html

"The Lawsuit That Wouldn't Die," by Robert Bryce. The Austin Chronicle. 1-26-01.
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www.salon.com/news/featur...index.html

(9) "The Funeral-Home Flap," by Michael Isikoff. Newsweek, Aug. 16, 1999.
www.msnbc.com/news/479524.asp

(10) "Lawsuit accuses governor of impeding investigation," The Huston Chronicle. 4-19-00.
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www.auschron.com/issues/d...aked6.html

(11) "Inconsistency raised in case," by George Kuempel. The Dallas Morning News. 10-24-00.
www.dallasnews.com/texas_...4tex..html

"It's His Funeral," by Robert Bryce. "Naked City." The Austin Chronicle. 10-27-00.
www.auschron.com/issues/d...aked6.html

(12) "Inconsistency raised in case," by George Kuempel. The Dallas Morning News. 10-24-00.
www.dallasnews.com/texas_...4tex..html

"The Lawsuit That Wouldn't Die," by Robert Bryce. The Austin Chronicle. 1-26-01.
www.auschron.com/issues/d...aked5.html

(13) "Bush's scandal not a sexy as Clinton's," by Sara Fritz. The St. Petersburg Times. 4-24-2000.
www.sptimes.com/News/0424...t_as.shtml

"The Lawsuit That Wouldn't Die," by Robert Bryce. The Austin Chronicle. 1-26-01.
www.auschron.com/issues/d...aked5.html

"Who is Eliza May?" by Robert Bryce. Salon Magazine. 8-20-99.
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"Influence Peddling, Bush Style," by Dan E. Moldea & David Corn. The Nation. 10-23-00.
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"Bush in contempt on Formaldegate?" by Robert Bryce. The Texas Observer. 9-3-99.
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"The Funeral-Home Flap," by Michael Isikoff. Newsweek, Aug. 16, 1999.
www.msnbc.com/news/479524.asp



-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), February 13, 2001.


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