Discussion of Montana and the UN(political)

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This came across my list recently. What do you all think? I don't think it can hold up, because constitutionally Congress is given the power to make treaties. Should be interesting though. What do you all think? Would you like your state to enact such a law?

Little Bit Farm

-- Little bit Farm (littlebit@calinet.com), February 08, 2001


Did you leave something out? I don't understand what you're talking about.

-- Joe (jcole@apha.com), February 08, 2001.

I am so sorry. I forgot to paste. Here it is:

The Tenth Amendment in action, my friends! Don't you wish you had a state representative as courageous as Mr. Brueggeman? Why don't you? The Honorable John BrueggemanState RepresentativeHouse District 74 My dear friend, Here is the attachment of the United Nations Free Zone bill draft we discussed on the telephone. I await anxiously your response to what number this bill draft is to be assigned, and will do all I possibly can to muster full support and lobby effort on your behalf for sponsoring this bill for We the People. For this John, I shall remain eternally grateful ! Stop by when you get back home here in the valley, we'll have lunch and go to the shooting range for some practice on the Maadi 50 cal. You'll get a kick out of it ( really !) I have taken the liberty of sending a copy of this message to Dan New , with out whom I could not have made this draft.Again, thank you very much for your support on behalf of this bill. In Freedom and Liberty, ">Michael HeitVice- ChairmanThe Constitution Party of MontanaPatriothttp://www.constitutionparty.org



Section 2. Purpose

Section 3. Findings

Section 4. Prohibitions

Section 5. United Nations-Free Contracts and Investments

Section 6. Reporting and Information

Sect ion 7 Community Right to Know

Sect ion 8 Public Not ice of United Nat ions-Free Zone

Section 9. Enforcement

Section 10 Severability

Section 1 Name.

This Chapter shall be known as The United Nations-free Zone of the Republic of MONTANA.

Section 2. Purpose.

The purpose of this Ordinance is to make the Republic of MONTANA United Nations-Free; that is:

1.. To maintain and preserve the Supreme Law of the Land as set forth in the Constitution of the state of MONTANA, and of these united States to the benefit of the people of the Republic of MONTANA, including but not limited to, the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly and petition, and the rights to bear arms, to trial by jury, to the privilege against self-incrimination and to the common law writ of habeas corpus.

2.. To oppose the United Nations Charter as an illegitimate and unconstitutional charter.

3.. To resist the United Nations' unconstitutional and illegal usurpation of American sovereignty.

4.. To restore completely the People of the Several States as the final and ultimate civil authority in these united States of America.

5.. To recognize no executive, legislative or judicial power within the city limits other than those powers duly constituted by t he People in the Constitution of the Republic of MONTANA and by the Peoples of the Several States in the united States Constitution.

6.. To protect the citizens of the Republic of MONTANA, especially those who are members of the United States armed forces, from involuntary servitude to the United Nations

7.. To rid the city of the presence of any and all United Nations personnel and facilities.

8.. To refuse any and all United Nations funded programs, studies, or other activities within the limits of MONTANA.

9.. To prohibit the investment of any funds in any business, government agency or other entity which supports or cooperates with the United Nations.

10.. To protect the citizens of MONTANA from taxation without representation, by forbidding the implementation within the Republic of Montana of any tax, levy, fee, assessment, surcharge, or any other financial imposition by the United Nations.

11.. To establish a citizen's right to know about, and to increase citizen awareness of, the activities of the United Nations. Section 3. Findings

The People of MONTANA find that:

1.. The Legislature of the Republic of Montana is bound by oath and affirmation to support the Constitution of the United States and, pursuant to that oath and Article VI of the United States Constitution, to obey only treaties "made under the Authority of the United States."

2.. The United Nations Charter is not a treaty "made under the Authority of the United States," but an illegitimate and unconstitutional international constitution, having never been submitted to, nor ratified by, the People of the United States, as required by Declaration of Independence, the charter of our nation.

3.. The United States government has absolutely no Constitutional authority to participate in any United Nations program or activity, and United Nations personnel and facilities have absolutely no legal right to be within the geographic boundaries of the United States.

4.. The Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court of the United States, in violation of their sworn constitutional duties under Article VI of the United States Constitution, have utterly failed to protect the American people from the United Nations' usurpation of the sovereignty of the American people, including the sovereign powers of the people of this Republic.

5.. The Legislature of the Republic of Montana, bound by its oath to support the Constitution of the United States and by its duties under Article VI of the United States Constitution, must protect the sovereignty of this Republic and of its people, and to that end,

1.. No citizen of MONTANA shall be required to serve the United Nations in any capacity.

2.. No United Nations personnel or facilities may be present or may be located within the geographic limits of MONTANA.

3.. No United Nations funded programs, studies or other United Nations sponsored or funded activities may take place within the geographic limits of MONTANA.

4.. No funds may be invested in, nor may any MONTANA personnel participate with, any business, government agency or other entity which supports or cooperates in any way with the United Nations.

6.. The People of Republic have a right to know about the unconstitutional and unlawful activities of the United Nations, as they impact on this Republic, and the State Legislature has a duty to its people to increase citizen awareness of the United Nations through community, school, and civic educational programs.

Section 4. Prohibitions

1.. Cessation of Present Activities. No person, corporation, school, college, university, institution, or other entity shall within the Republic of MONTANA knowingly aid or abet any illegal or unconstitutional activity of the United Nations or of any entity financially supported by or affiliated with the United Nations. This prohibition shall take effect immediately after the adoption of this bill, upon receiving the signature of the Governor.

2.. Commencement of Work for the United Nations. No person, corporation, school, college, university, institution, or other entity which is not, as of the date this ordinance is adopted, engaged in any work for the United Nations, or any entity financially supported by or affiliated with the United Nations, shall, within the Republic of MONTANA, aid or abet any illegal or unconstitutional activity of the United Nations or of any entity financially supported by or affiliated with the United Nations.

3.. United Nations Flags and Symbols. No flag, symbol, or other logo of the United Nations shall be displayed on city property, provided however, that this prohibition does not apply to a photograph or other pictorial display of such flags, symbols or logos as part of an exhibit of an historical nature.

4.. United Nations Personnel. No United Nations personnel may conduct any official United Nations activity of any kind whatsoever and, under no circumstances, may United Nations peacekeeping or other troops be quartered on any property within the geographic limits of MONTANA.

5.. United Nations Tax. No tax, levy, surcharge, fee, assessment, or other financial burden authorized by the United Nations may be imposed on or collected from any person within the geographic limits of MONTANA.

6.. United Nations Restraints. No arrest or restraint of the liberty of any citizen of MONTANA by any official acting under the authority of the United Nations may be effected within the geographic limits of MONTANA.

7.. International Court Decree. No judicial order, decree or judgment entered by any international court under the authority of the United Nations shall be enforceable within the geographic limits of MONTANA .

Section 5. United Nations Free Contracts and Investments

1.. Contracts. The Republic of MONTANA shall grant no contract to any person, business or nonprofit entity which knowingly engages in work for the United Nations, or for any entity supported by or affiliated with the United Nations, unless the State Legislature in a super majority vote of both houses, makes a specific determination that no reasonable alternative exists, taking into consideration the following factors:

1.. The intent and purposes of this ordinance;

2.. The availability of alternative services, goods and equipment, or other supplies substantially meeting the required specifications of the proposed contract; and

3.. Quantifiable additional costs resulting from use of available alternatives.

2.. Investments. The Republic of MONTANA shall refrain from making any new investments in businesses that knowingly engage in work, whether with or without remuneration, for the United Nations, including advertising support of, subsidies for, or promotions of the United Nations, its supporters and affiliates, and their activities. Within two years of the adoption of this ordinance, the Republic of MONTANA shall divest itself from all such investments currently held by it (including pension funds). The State Legislature shall adopt a economically responsible plan with respect to any pension fund and other investments and shall implement such plan consistent with the intent of this ordinance.

Section 6. Reports and Information In the event that Section 4A or B is unenforceable, and so long as any work for or with the United Nations, its financed supporters and affiliates continues within the Republic of MONTANA, the following monitoring of such activities shall be carried out by the Republic of MONTANA through such agencies as the State Legislature shall designate.

1.. Annual Reporting. Each person, corporation, school, college, university, institution, or other entity engaged in work for or with the United Nations, its supporters or affiliates (hereinafter designated as "United Nations agent") shall prepare an annual report which details the activities and programs engaged in, names the agency or entity worked for or with, states the nature of the relationship between that agency or entity and the United Nations and specifies the reasons for continuation of such work or relationship. These annual reports shall be filed with the designated City, County and State agency or agencies and shall also be made available for inspection and copying by any interested member of the public.

2.. Information. The Republic of MONTANA may require any United Nations agent to provide such further information as the Legislature deems is necessary to keep the citizens adequately informed of "United Nations activity" within Republic of MONTANA and at such reasonable times and places as the Legislature determines.

3.. Signs. Every facility within the Republic of MONTANA in which work for or with the United Nations, its supporters or affiliates takes place shall be required to install and maintain signs clearly visible to any passing person, identifying the facility with the legend "UNITED NATIONS WORK CONDUCTED HERE."

4.. Fee: Each United Nations agent shall be assessed a fee at rates to be determined by the Legislature, which shall be at least adequate to cover, in the aggregate, the costs of administering this act.

Section 7. Community Right to Know The Republic of MONTANA, through its own agencies and in cooperation with other local government agencies and educational organizations and interested citizen groups, shall assist and promote educational activities, including but not limited to curriculum in public schools and adult education programs, to advance public awareness and understanding of work for the United Nations, its supporters and affiliates and related matters as addressed in this ordinance.

Section 8. Public Notice of United Nations-Free Zone

Every road entering any City of the Republic of MONTANA which has a sign marking the City limits as of the date of the passage of this ordinance, and every road entering any City of The Republic of MONTANA which shall, after the passage of this ordinance, be so marked, will also be marked equally prominently with a sign reading "United Nations-free zone, established by State Law (MCA number)." These signs shall be posted no later than ninety (90) days after passage of this ordinance, and shall be at least two feet by three feet in size.

Section 9. Enforcement

Each violation of this ordinance shall be punishable by up to thirty days imprisonment and a five hundred dollar fine. Each day shall be deemed a separate violation.

Residents of the Republic of MONTANA shall also have the right to enforce this ordinance by appropriate civil actions for declaratory or injunctive relief.

Section 10. Severability

If any section, subsection, paragraph, or word of this ordinance shall be held to be invalid, either on its face or as applied, the invalidity of such provision shall not affect the other sections, subsections paragraphs, sentences or words of this ordinance and the application thereof; and to that end the sections, subsections, paragraphs, sentences and words of this ordinance shall be deemed to be severable.

Little Bit Farm{who is hiding her face in embarrassment}

-- Little bit Farm (littlebit@calinet.com), February 08, 2001.

I for one, welcome the fullfillment of the scriptures. Come Lord Jesus!!!

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), February 08, 2001.

What is this some kind of left overs from the "Freeman"? I live here and have never seen such an item. Can't say it is or isn't true either. I lok forward to finding out more about this. Blessings, Kelle

-- Kelle in MT. (kvent1729@aol.com), February 08, 2001.

H-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-E-E-E-E-E-E-E we go again. *sigh*

I thought the United Nations paranoia was going to subside when Clinton left office. Silly me. I better not drive my "blue" sedan into Montana.


-- Craig Miller (cmiller@ssd.com), February 08, 2001.

Yeah Craig, I keep hoping that they will all congregate in Montana and leave the rest of us alone. Fat Chance!!!!

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), February 08, 2001.

Kinda reminds me of the laws passed that made cities like Madison, Wi and San Francisco nuclear weapons free zones. Sounds good, but rather unenforcable. You just tell that missile to turn around and go back, we don't allow them here.

-- ray s. (mmoetc@yahoo.com), February 08, 2001.

I believe military members can now object to assignments. However, it probably means their military career, if one was desired, is essentially over.

Look on the bright side. We have a President/Commander-in-Chief who doesn't seem to have an ego problem to be enhanced by use of U.S. military force overseas. We have a Secretary of Defense who has been around the block a time or two. We have a Secretary of State who was the highest ranking military officer and who has indicated he would oppose the use of U.S. forces overseas if there was not a compelling national interest and, when used, they would be prepared to go in, kick butt, take names and get out. You don't go in without a withdrawal strategy. Something even First Lieutenants are taught.

From what I can tell there is no love between the U.S. Congress and the U.N. Personally, I believe all of the reports of U.N. forces training in the U.S. for undemocratic purposes to be hogwash. What happened to the reports the U.S. was taking over Boy Scout Camps as potential internment camps. I don't know if they still do, but the USAF had German pilot training programs at both Shepherd and Luke AFBs. For several months I worked on a program to start a Japanese pilot school in the Florida Panhandle, which didn't come to be. We have a number of foreign liaison officers assigned within the U.S. to monitor/assist foreign military sales. UN forces, and other countries directly, do train with U.S. forces both home and abroad to facilitary the coordination and interface between militaries.

But then, to these para-military groups, just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean someone is not out to get you.

-- Ken S. in WC TN (scharabo@aol.com), February 08, 2001.

You may be intrigued to learn that in the 'outside world' that organisation is often referred to as "The United Nations Of America". Which is a reference to the perception many folks have that the USA now drives the Security Council.

-- john hill (john@cnd.co.nz), February 09, 2001.


That's pretty well only being realistic. How many 'super powers' are left. The USSR dissolved into almost a group of 'third world' nations. Former powers, such as Britian and German, are now part of the European Union, which severely limits independent actions. Only left is the U.S. and China, and an argument might be made on the latter as their power seems to be the size of their military, not its power. Perhaps the U.N. has outlived its usefulness.

-- Ken S. in WC TN (scharabo@aol.com), February 09, 2001.


I think I will pull my head in on this one 'else I will run the risk of causing quite a ruckus.. :-)

-- John Hill (john@cnd.co.nz), February 09, 2001.

The UN stinks. They are a useless cackle of bureaucratic do gooders with no comprehension of freedom and self determination. I for one would like to see it's complete dissolution and also the thing you folks who want to see everyone head to Montana fail to understand is that the signing of the ICC treaty by Klinton put you under international law for crimes TO BE DETERMINED.They don't even know what crimes they are going after! This means that you have NO right to trial by a jury, that you do not have your fourth and fifth ammendment rights, that you can be prosecuted for whatever offense they might imagine you committed.... "Oh, I see you have disbudded your goat kids yourself, heh? Well in England only a vet can do that, so you are hereby under arrest for practising as a veterinarian without a license!" Thought crimes, well I probably just committed one. I happen to carry a pocket Constitution most of the time and you can bet they don't have any provisions in there for subjugating the citizenry to a foreign power.

Go and read their "We the Peoples" document. It is a complete abomination to anyone who holds freedom dear. They espouse the "right to be safe" from everything!!! Only thing is, life is NOT safe. There is a slough of things that they propose to keep you free from. The one thing they don't propose to keep you free from is government and governmental tyrrany.

To answer your question Little Bit, I would like to see the US enact that law as well as Texas.

-- Doreen (animalwaitress@excite.com), February 09, 2001.


The U.N. as a COMPLETE entity isn't useless. But I would hope that the military aspect of it is reduced. The U.S. military is rethinking its strategies in a hit-and-run rapid fire world and the U.N. must do likewise. It has shown time and again how impotent it is.

As the European Union has grown in power and influence, that body has to take on a greater responsibility for its member states. I think the situation in the Balklans would be better served if we limited our role to logistical support. Ditto for Africa. There are many cooperative defence efforts in the African continent that don't need to involve us with military combat units.

And we will stiff-arm any attempt by the U.N. to involve itself in Columbia or anywhere else in the Americas. But I'm sure they'll be happy just to watch from the sidelines as we get sucked deeper and deeper into our 21st century version of Vietnam.


-- Craig Miller (cmiller@ssd.com), February 09, 2001.

A president without an ego problem. Now that seems mighty close to being an oxymoron to me. Time will tell Ken.

-- jz (oz49us@yahoo.com), February 10, 2001.

I'm with you, Doreen. I would like to see us completely OUT of the UN. Pull our money, pull our troops and send them packing to another continent. Living in a "UN Heritage Reserve" or whatever they call it is not my idea of security.

We'll see how this bill in Montana flies. May want to move back there again.

-- Laura (gsend@hotmail.com), February 10, 2001.


I would like to hear further on why you think the U.S. is being sucked into a Central American version of the Vietnam War in Colombia.

-- Ken S. in WC TN (scharabo@aol.com), February 10, 2001.

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