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Joel I understand your point of veiw and understand it very well,I hope after the rush of the holidays we could start a thread again on ways we can all help organize this forum. I do not want "our"words changed either but we do need to organize so we can learn and benifit from others info. I maybe sticking my head out here but what if You and Ken "talked"private some issues could be patched up that way. I think Ken's idea was misunderstood and things started to build upon a untruth and started a snowball effect.I know I myself would hate to see you or Ken get real bent out of shape to the point of either of you leaving or backing out of the forum. Well enough said, Wishing you and your family the warmest of wishes.

-- renee oneill{md.} (, December 22, 2000


It IS very hard to find that one thread or piece of information you're looking for, and changing the posting titles would enable the "find" function of most browsers to do the job quickly, IF the title were specific to the topic. What if the title were changed to better enable the browsers to work, and then the real title were inserted as the first line of the post? That way, the original title would be preserved and the "find" function would work as well. My two cents.

-- Laura Jensen (, December 23, 2000.

I've already offered my thanks to Ken, so I appreciate this opportunity to offer "thanks" of a different kind to Joel. I appreciate the contributions you make to this forum and have really enjoyed your posts!! Be it this topic or others, I have not always agreed 100% with your positions. But agreeing with your positions on issue's is not required, in order to admire your commitment and the passion you bring to them. I would much rather face the style of opposition you bring to the table if I were your opponent! It is rather like facing a lion in all his glory and ferociousness and his clear intent to protect and provide that which he has claimed as the territory he is to maintain! Unlike the current trend that is akin to the snake, who beguiles with offers of greatness & goodness, to that which he is seeking to destroy. Doing so with "kindness and pretty words" while leading the way to destroy those who adopt and respond willingly to his path...worldview.

Yes indeed, give me an opponent like you, anyday! At least the battle would be fought with honesty! I say this only to offer, perhaps, another perspective on your position regarding this, as some seem to have taken umbrage....My analysis is not in regards to the way Ken handled this situation, indeed I think he was very clear and was seeking only to be helpful, lest I be misunderstood here. I only suggest that you can disagree with Joel, you can be shaken' up by his passion, you can differ with his position....but you can NEVER claim ignorance!! And I, for one, really appreciate that!

Merry Christmas Joel, and to your family as well!

-- Wendy@GraceAcres (, December 23, 2000.

What Wendy said. Nice summation.

-- Doreen (, December 23, 2000.

Joel has done me a favor on occasion by providing me with gentle (notice that I said gentle) counsel. I truly reflected on his words and agreed with him then, because he was knowledgeable and correct. And I followed his advice.

One thing that he does for us here is get our danders up, that's for sure. It takes a lot to get people thinking sometimes! And I often agree with his observations; I don't always agree with his solutions. I respect his right to his opinion, just like he does all of ours. He may not agree with ours, either! Probably doesn't, in fact!!

I used to wonder what the purpose of Paris Fashion Shows were. After all, nobody in their right mind would ever wear anything like what's shown. Or I wonder sometimes about how some of what's presented in galleries can possibly be "art" (and I have something of an art background!) There are some times, some events and items, and the people behind them, that serve to jerk our brains into a whole "other" focus. Sometimes, all we can do is react. ("I would never wear that!" or "They call that art?" or "Is he out of his mind?!" LOL) I think Joel is kind of like one of those stimuli for us here. We definitely do react! And sometimes in our reaction, even if it's anger or dismay, we start thinking!

So thanks Joel. Post away!! And Merry Christmas to you!

-- sheepish (, December 23, 2000.

I thot you all might like to see the entirety of Joels private e-mail to me responding to my latest post on the Freedom/forum thread, now pronounced dead. It is in quotes below. Following that is my response to him.

"how about this---mind your own business and let me run the faggots out of the room--thank you" Note Joel, no omissions or alterations.

My response, in case you're interested. "Joel: I've given a little more thot to this and apologize for the step on the nail comment. As to your response, letting your true colors shine?"

I'll be curious to see if Joel will in fact stand up and be accountable for his e-mail to me. How honorable are you really Joel? Any further e-mails concerning this will also be posted, just to keep things above board.

-- john leake (, December 23, 2000.

ALL RIGHT GUYS THATS ENOUGH! This thing is going to put a wedge right down this forum...Ken had the right idea [ and grace] to just walk away from the situation.Joel take a chill pill you over reacted. John I hate to see you stuping to such low tactics.Here is the first shovel full of dirt , lets bury this.

-- kathy h (, December 24, 2000.

Since it doesn't look or sound like Joel's writing than you have to ask yourself who it is ? Since Joel has been gone to Indiana for the last day and a half than for sure he didn't write it.

John, I know Joel took credit for it because it came from here but anyone of eight men could have wrote that and believe me it wasn't him ! Now post what HE really said. Becky

-- Becky Rosen (, December 24, 2000.

Here is a perspective from sunny South Africa! -

Watching a child die from starvation is devastating.

Seeing a child being born is dramatic.

I have experienced both. Where between these extremes of reality does your conflict lie?

Jaco - Plettenberg Bay, South Africa

-- Jaco Scholtz (, December 24, 2000.

john, what did you have to go and do that for????? Peace on Earth, Good will toward Men?? Play nice, this is but a micro example of what is wrong with the world - human one-up-manship, or, in this case, one- down-man-ship. Even if you are totally right, this makes you look very small. God Loves us, one and all. Merry Christmas to all. diane in michigan

-- diane (, December 24, 2000.

John, please do not go there! I started this post to let Joel know that his ideas and beliefs are understood and accepted by others and as part of this "family" he is still looked apon as a "brother". Sure things may have gotten out of hand but with comments like ours how will and end ever be found? Please do not use this post to insult Joel or anyone, start your own so we do not need to read it if we do not want to!

-- renee oneill{md.} (, December 24, 2000.

Peace to you Jaco.

-- Anne (, December 24, 2000.

If the note was not from Joel, I apologize, however it was his e-mail address, reason enuf to believe it was.

FWIW, I recieved another note from Joel, I assume the real Joel, offering an apology which was graciously accepted. The end of it from me.

-- john leake (, December 24, 2000.

Hmmmmm.....I have heard from six people who have been flamed similarly to John by someone "posing" as Joel, using his address. Seems to me if he is not the one doing this, then he would be outraged that someone is being nasty in his name? I also dont think it was really fair to pound on John for merely posting what he received. It is a serious issue to be harrassed and threatened through one's personal email. If Joel is innocent of this, and someone else is using his computer, this can be fairly easily discovered, and the cuprit be made known.

-- Earthmama (, December 29, 2000.

The filth that I have received in my private e-mail when I complained that I thought this forum was no place for dirty jokes & nasty attitudes & not respecting others----I have never seen such filth -- nor have I ever been attacked in such a manner/ as I was & am still being!!!!!! Maybe some of you have no clue!!!!!!!! just a thought Sonda in Ks.

-- Sonda (, December 30, 2000.

Sonda, if you are receiving 'filth' in your email, please let your email server know immediately! There are prohibitions against this sort of thing, and it is fairly easy for puter geeks to discover from who's coomputer it is coming. If they left any identifying info, please also let steve belanger know about this; it is intolerable!

-- Earthmama (, December 30, 2000.

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