To the Al Gore troll:greenspun.com : LUSENET : TB2K spinoff uncensored : One Thread |
For the last week or so, and with increasing intensity for the last day or so, I have had to put up with your incessant, foul-mouthed ranting about "Shrubya" and "D-Dubya-I". Well guess what buddy, now it is my turn.
We Republicans:
1)Held the Senate.
2)Held the House.
3)Retook the Whitehouse.
Deal with it.
G.W. Bush will get to name 3 or maybe 4 Supreme Court justices. Bye bye Roe vs Wade.
You bleeding heart liberals just had your worst nightmare come true: Both houses of Congress AND the President are all REPUBLICAN controlled!
For at least 2 years, we will pass any legislation that we want.
School vouchers? Sounds good.
Repeal the estate tax? Sounds good.
Income tax break? Sounds real good.
Oh, and a few that you won't see.
Photo registration for handguns? Nope.
Ballooning federal government? Nope.
Legislation that unfairly protects certain groups? Nope again.
You will also probably get to see Slick Willy tried for perjury.
On and on and on you ranted, but to paraphrase an old saying, he who rants last, rants loudest.
-- J (Y2J@home.comm), November 08, 2000
EAT SHIT ASSHOLE TROLL!!!!
-- HA HA HA HA HA HA HA (ha@ha.ha.ha), November 08, 2000.
Obviously Y2K didn't teach you anything. You should know better than to speak too certainly too soon.Gore just won your home state of Wisconsin and is currently leading Bush in both popular and electoral votes, even in Florida. Of course, this is before the recount.
Gun registration and background check laws have passed all over the nation.
Voucher initiatives have failed in Michigan and California.
Even medicinal marijuana laws have passed in Nevada and Colorado.
Republicans only gained one seat in Congress, giving them a majority of all of thirteen votes.
Republicans lost four seats to the Democrats, giving them a majority of all of two seats.
So much for this "we will pass any legislation we want" bullshit.
-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), November 08, 2000.
I thought Bush was still leading in Florida. Where did you get this information that Gore is leading there? Mine comes from ABC News. Also the Washington State Senate race is far from over. I strongly suspect Slade Gordon will win by the skin of his teeth (Just as he does in every election).
-- butt nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), November 08, 2000.
Bush is NOT looking to overturn Roe v. Wade. Even if the Supreme Court EVER did such a stupid thing, it would then return to a State by State choice. It's not ever going away, J. Bush just wanted to make sure horrible late term abortions like partial birth abortions and docters killing a baby just delivered don't occur.I think the average person would agree with that.
-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), November 08, 2000.
Tarzan,
You are one to talk about speaking too certainly.
I don't live in Wisconsin, smart guy.
Bush does not lead Gore in popular, or electoral, votes in the state of Florida.
A federally mandated photo id for handgun purchases won't get passed.
Federal tax law can be structured so as to give the same benefits as school vouchers. Besides, what did you expect California to do?
Medical marijuana laws? What do I care?
Thirteen votes or ONE vote, it doesn't matter. It is still CONTROL.
Again, a majority by two seats is still a majority.
It's only bullshit in your brain, not in real life.
-- J (Y2J@home.comm), November 08, 2000.
You are one to talk about speaking too certainly.Translation: You're rubber and I'm glue. Whatever you say bumps off me and sticks on you!
I don't live in Wisconsin, smart guy.
Sure, right. Whatever.
Bush does not lead Gore in popular, or electoral, votes in the state of Florida.
Not now that the the original count has been decalred invalid.
A federally mandated photo id for handgun purchases won't get passed.
Provide a citation.
Federal tax law can be structured so as to give the same benefits as school vouchers. Besides, what did you expect California to do?
But they won't. The Repubs don't have a strong enough majority to win that battle with or without Bush.
Medical marijuana laws? What do I care?
The people haven't been fooled by the conservatives on this issue. In fact, this issue is widely considered a bell weather as to the nations atttitude toward drug laws in general. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
Thirteen votes or ONE vote, it doesn't matter. It is still CONTROL.
Again, a majority by two seats is still a majority.
You're really naive about this politics thing, aren't you, J? It's cute, keep it up.
It's only bullshit in your brain, not in real life.
Oh sure. You're wrong about vouchers, wrong about gun control, wrong about a congressional sweep, and (so far at least) wrong about the presidency. And I'M talking bullshit?
-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), November 08, 2000.
Tarzan,
First off, I see that I misspoke. I meant to say that, "GORE does not lead BUSH in popular, or electoral, votes in the state of Florida", not the other way around.
"Provide a citation"?
Give me a break! Do I have to "provide a citation" that Republicans aren't for more gun control? You are grasping.
"Strong enough majority"? Are you for real? Do you really think that after all of the partisan politics of the Clinton years, the Republicans are going to have defectors within their own party on their pet issues? The "battle" was won last night; the only "battles" left are in your head. The Republicans will pass whatever they want to pass. PERIOD.
I know what the liberal press considers a "bell weather" issue. It is of no importance to me, however. I did not originally address it. You were the one who brought up the issue, to distract from the points at hand, perhaps?
One of us is obviously "naive about this politics thing". I would say that your belief that certain Republicans are going to defect from the party line on key Republican issues is the naive line of thought, not mine.
I am wrong about vouchers, gun control, congressional control, and the presidency? Only in YOUR mind am I wrong, so to paraphrase your own words, yes you are "talking bullshit".
-- J (Y2J@home.comm), November 08, 2000.
I can see I'm going to have to go slow with this one.First off, I see that I misspoke. I meant to say that, "GORE does not lead BUSH in popular, or electoral, votes in the state of Florida", not the other way around.
Glad you caught that one.
Give me a break! Do I have to "provide a citation" that Republicans aren't for more gun control? You are grasping.
Oh, I see. So you're saying that legislation which NO ONE HAS ACTUALLY PROPOSED YET will not get passed.
I guess it's clear who's grasping for issues, isn't it?
"Strong enough majority"? Are you for real? Do you really think that after all of the partisan politics of the Clinton years, the Republicans are going to have defectors within their own party on their pet issues? The "battle" was won last night; the only "battles" left are in your head. The Republicans will pass whatever they want to pass. PERIOD.
Happens all the time. Remember how upset you were when the Clinton conviction didn't come through? There was a Republican majority that time as well. You can't count on every single member of a party to vote the same way on a given issue. Think about how many times Johnny Isakson has been at odds with Bob Barr. Same party, neighboring districts in the same state, yet they don't vote the same.
I think you're letting your hatred of Clinton blind you to the realities of American politics. Even pet issues rarely come down to black and white numbers.
I know what the liberal press considers a "bell weather" issue. It is of no importance to me, however. I did not originally address it. You were the one who brought up the issue, to distract from the points at hand, perhaps?
I brought it up because I assumed you were politically informed. Clearly, I was wrong on that issue!
One of us is obviously "naive about this politics thing". I would say that your belief that certain Republicans are going to defect from the party line on key Republican issues is the naive line of thought, not mine.
You're as wrong on this as you were on the Child Tax Credit. Would you like some examples? Please say you'd like some examples!
I am wrong about vouchers, gun control, congressional control, and the presidency? Only in YOUR mind am I wrong, so to paraphrase your own words, yes you are "talking bullshit".
Yes, you are dead wrong about those issues being as good as relaity with a thirteen vote majority in congress and a two vote majority in the senate. No matter how much a few extremeists scream for these issues, even Republican members of congress have to think about re- election.
-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), November 08, 2000.
Tarzan,
Go to www.algore.com and check on Gore's gun control proposals. Wouldn't you say that it would be logical to conclude that if he were elected President, Al Gore would have his party sponsor legislation to try and turn this proposal of his into law? I don't think that I am grasping when I say that if Al Gore does not get elected, this legislation will not be proposed.
If I recall correctly, the Senate needed a 2/3 majority to convict Clinton, so the Republicans needed Democrat votes as well.
I am politically informed; you chose to throw a red herring into the argument.
Ah, the child tax credit. You bringing up a completely unrelated, admitted mistake of mine from the past surely shows that you have nothing more substantiative to put forth.
-- J (Y2J@home.comm), November 08, 2000.
Go to www.algore.com and check on Gore's gun control proposals. Wouldn't you say that it would be logical to conclude that if he were elected President, Al Gore would have his party sponsor legislation to try and turn this proposal of his into law? I don't think that I am grasping when I say that if Al Gore does not get elected, this legislation will not be proposed.Actually, given the fact that both Colorado and Oregon just voted to require background checks at gun shows, I think it's likely that such legislation could get sponsored with or without Al Gore. Politicians follow the will of the people, after all.
If I recall correctly, the Senate needed a 2/3 majority to convict Clinton, so the Republicans needed Democrat votes as well.
Now just for the record, you said, "I would say that your belief that certain Republicans are going to defect from the party line on key Republican issues is the naive line of thought, not mine."
Now bearing in mind that the Republicans only have a 13 member majority in the house, let's look at a few of those key Republlican issues, shall we?
Ban on Partial Birth Abortion: 11 Republicans voted against the ban, 5 abstained.
Ban on Gay Adoption: 53 Republicans voted against the ban, 7 abstained.
"Know your customer" anit-privacy banking legislation: 127 Republicans voted FOR this "key Republican issue"! 10 abstained.
Posting the 10 Commandments in schools: 20 Republicans voted against, 4 abstained.
Legislation granting fetal rights (pro-life legislation): 30 Republicans voated against this legislation, 5 abstained.
School vouchers (remember that J said we can pass school vouchers now with a Republican congress): 67 against, 5 abstaining.
All of these votes are on "key Republican issues". All of these votes had Republican defectors. Under our current house, which only has a 13 seat majority, these votes would have failed to have the simple majority required to pass.
Now granted, there are plenty of Democrats who don't vote the party line. HOWEVER, you said, "I would say that your belief that certain Republicans are going to defect from the party line on key Republican issues is the naive line of thought, not mine."
Once again, you are absolutely dead wrong.
I am politically informed; you chose to throw a red herring into the argument.
Sour grapes. Whatever happened to not caring?
Ah, the child tax credit. You bringing up a completely unrelated, admitted mistake of mine from the past surely shows that you have nothing more substantiative to put forth.
Guess again.
-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), November 08, 2000.
Before the flames start, the "Know your Customer" legislation was roundly condemned by Republicans who are concerned about "big government". That 127 Republican members of congress voted for it really set the party at odds with itself for a time.
-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), November 08, 2000.