Is a criminal allowed to run for president? : LUSENET : TB2K spinoff uncensored : One Thread

Seems to me that the criteria for the office of president includes no criminal record. Has this been completely forgotten? Maybe this election is already over, since D-Dubya-I is in violation of the requirements.

-- (death.penalty@for.d-dubya-i), November 04, 2000


oh, thanks for clearing this up for I'll vote for Gore...I was a little fuzzy on the whole China thing but I guess thats ok...

-- Uncle Bob (, November 04, 2000.

Silly shit.

What's important is who's real and who isn't. Who means what he says and who doesn't. Not just for us but the world.

Tell me some GOOD things about Gore.


-- Carlos (, November 04, 2000.

What are you guys bitching about? Most of you are beer guzzlers! So what else is new?

-- ... (, November 04, 2000.

Did Gore promise free beer?

Missed that.

-- Carlos (, November 04, 2000.

Unk Bob, yes you definitely sound "fuzzy" about the whole "China thing". That's why you'll probably never explain to us exactly what the hell you are talking about.

-- (shrub-fuzzymath@bob.-fuzzybrain), November 04, 2000.




-- Uncle Bob (, November 04, 2000.

Changing the subject again Bob?

-- (bobsbrain@beyond.fuzzy), November 04, 2000.

It's been a while since I looked at this. How many times did Eugene Debs run for President from jail?

-- Flint (, November 04, 2000.

Good question - here's a quick cut & paste about those good ol' days:

"...It was during Deb's six-month stay in prison (May to November 1895), that Debs began to completely embrace the ideals of socialism. His release on November 22, 1895 resembled a Roman triumph, with Debs speaking to a wildly cheering crowd of 100,000 supporters. Debs in his speech urged the people to use voting to depose the capitalist government. This speech launched Deb's career as the Socialist Party's President of the United States candidate.

At first, Debs became the treasurer of the newly founded Social Democratic Party (SDP). Then in 1900 Eugene Debs accepted the united Social Democratic party's presidential nomination. This was because, in addition to being a national labor hero, Debs had helped to unify the SDP with the Kangaroo faction of the Socialist Labor Party. Despite an enthusiastic campaign, Debs was resoundingly defeated by William McKinley 7,219,530 votes to 96,978. Eugene Debs renewed his efforts to unify socialism in America and succeeded in uniting the SDP and the Socialist Labor party joined with many smaller factions to form the Socialist Party of America (SPA). The growth of the SPA during the Progressive era was largely due the efforts of Debs. This growth made the SPA the third largest Party by 1904 passing both the Prohibition and Populist parties.

Debs continued his bid for Presidency and, "...his presidential campaigns of 1904, 1908, and 1912 were truly media events attracting huge crowds of the devoted and the merely curious, and many among the later acknowledged in letters to Debs that their conversion to socialism had occurred during one of his campaign speeches" (Constantine lxix). Then in 1905, he along with delegates from numerous organizations helped found the Industrial Workers of the World. Through Debs' continued efforts with the SPA, the party had grown to the point that it held over 1000 elective offices in thirty- three states and 160 cities.

In 1916, Debs changed his goals and ran for Congress, in his home district in Indiana. This campaign had an emphasis on keeping America neutral in WWI. This campaigning against the war led to Debs into conflict with the Federal government once again. This was especially dangerous because the nation was on wartime footing against radicals and anarchists and communists. With this suspicious mindset Congress passed the Sedition and Espionage Acts. It was in violation of these acts that , Debs was charged by the Federal government, for make an anti-war speech in Canton, Ohio on June 18, 1918. Debs was eventually convicted, along with hundreds of others for similar "crimes", to a ten-year jail sentence. He was sent to the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary. This act of being sent to jail was seen as martyrdom by the SPA, and it acted as a catalyst to recharge the party under Deb's cause. This cause "...the campaign slogan, from the Prison to the White House..." once again propelled Debs into the presidential candidacy for the SPA (Constantine lxxviii).

The presidential race in 1920 was unique because Debs was running from behind the bars of federal prison. During the 1920 election, Deb's image as a martyr began to take many forms. His supporters compared Debs to Abraham Lincoln, Wendell Phillips and most commonly Jesus Christ. Despite Debs running the campaign, from his prison cell he managed to win 919,000 votes, or 3.5 percent of the popular vote. Deb's imprisonment and fame also gave a boost to the amnesty movement. A movement designed to free political prisoners for speaking against WWI. After Wilson's defeat, President Harding ordered Deb's release from prison on Christmas Day 1921. This release was despite well-financed opposition from the American Legion and other organizations who wage a "Keep Debs in Jail" campaign..."

-- flora (***@__._), November 04, 2000.

to answer your question, the law prohibts anyone running for president who has a felony conviction. The DUI was a misdemeanor, not a felony. The law has nothing to say about someone running for president with a misdemeanor conviction.

I do think that perjury in office, as well as lying and immoral behavior (in office) is a more serious problem that a DUI from 24 years ago.

-- JoseMiami (, November 05, 2000.

Bush committed perjury while Governor, and has been caught several times denying and concealing the information about the D-Dubya-I. As a public official, it is required to tell the truth about such a serious crime. Much more serious than getting a hummer, and Clinton would never have been forced to conceal his own personal affair if the Repugs had not stuck their nose into something that is none of their business. They were setting him up, there's no denying that.

-- (get.your@facts.straight), November 05, 2000.

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