Check out www.voteexchange.org and www.nadertrader.org
These are just a couple of the brand new crop of websites offering vote swapping online. Just another example of socialist reasoning. The end justifies the means. Two wrongs can make a right as long as it's a left leaning right. Fuck the spirit of the law, and fuck the constitution too. It does have one good point. This is the death knell for the electoral college system.
-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), October 28, 2000
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And while you're at it, fuck you too Nikoli!
Why don't you enlighten us as to what exactly is "wrong" with this,
and what is unconstitutional about it?
Perhaps you are just pissed off because the "left" are smarter than
the "right"? LOL
-- (shrubya's@gonna.lose), October 28, 2000.
This is a bullshit post,anyone who would be against such a thing would
not broadcast it.
Step back into your little cage.
-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), October 28, 2000.
Actually, the site to check out is http://www.voteswap2000.com. Over 1000
votes have been swapped in a couple of days. If 100,000 people
swapped votes, Nader would win 5 percent and Gore would regain swing
states that normally would go to him but for Nader.
If the idea seems too untrustworthy for some Nader voters, they can
simply contact a friend in a "blowout" state like Texas and trade
votes privately. If even that is too risky, they can wait until 7:30
and vote Nader only if the election is a blowout. But trading early
would avoid that kind of blowout to Bush.
Vote swapping insures that Nader gets his 5 percent and Bush stays
out of office. Alas, the site is probably too little too late. Bush
is already predicted the winner on orvetti.com. As a perfect example
of the Nader phenomena working to Bush's advantage, Orvetti has
Oregon going to Bush. Bush is even brazenly running pro-Nader ads now
in these swing states.
By the way Nik, the Senate swaps votes regularly throughout the year.
I don't hear anyone accusing them of fraud. If it works for the
Greens and the Dems, hey, all the more power to them! It's the Green
Party that stands the most to gain from this -- if swapping actually
works and they do achieve a 5 percent showing, then the party will
certainly pose a formidable challenge to the Democrats in 2000.
On a personal note, I swapped my Nader vote. Happily, I was able to
surrender my Nader proclivity to a Montana voter. She took the Nader
vote, I took her Gore vote. I'm delighted -- we both win!
I think swapping is a brilliant idea, and a great illustration of
grassroots democracy in action. It's pragmatic, not dogmatic. Even if
vote trading doesn't get the kind of successful results it's aiming
toward, it certainly is an exciting harbinger of things to come in
future elections.
The next time a Ross Perot runs, the Republicans will use it, too.
They just didn't have access to it in 1992.
Cheers,
-- Celia Thaxter (celiathaxter@yahoo.com), October 28, 2000.
Let's see if this Voteswap2000
link works.
-- Celia Thaxter (celiathaxter@yahoo.com), October 28, 2000.
FWIW, the Republicans (some of them), are also trying to use
the Greens/Nader as leverage:
GO
P Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads
-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), October 28, 2000.
Just the response I expected from a bunch of saocialist assholes.
This vote swapping scheme is the moral and ethical equivelent of
ballot box stuffing or electronic gerrymandering. You can rationalize
it all you want, which of course is just the point, that you will.
Basically the same thought process that allowed Hitler to slaughter
the jews, the end justifies the means. The whole idea is another one
of the Clinton Carville skirt the letter of the law sleaze tactics we
have become so accustomed to over the last eight years. Yeah,
character doesn't count, not to a bunch of criminally minded
socialist anyway. No wonder Clinton wasn't convicted during his
impeachment, he has simply become the moral standard for a party of
atheist communist armed robbers. You people literally make me sick to
my stomach, Pure fucking vermin.
-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), October 28, 2000.
Celia:
I wouldn't get too excited about Orvetti's prediction just yet. He
may have predicted 50 of 50 in 1996, but remember he only predicted
43 of 50 in 1992. If he predicted 48 of 50 this year [not a bad
prediction], but missed Florida and Wisconsin, that gives Bush 261
and Gore 277. From an examination of his map, it looks to me like he
didn't take into account the Greens who would wait and see, even if
we exclude the vote-swapping angle. Wisconsin stands out more in my
mind than Oregon. Personally, I think he missed the boat on
Pennsylvania and Missouri, as well.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 28, 2000.
Just the response I expected from a bunch of saocialist
assholes. . . .
. . .You people literally make me sick to my stomach, Pure
fucking vermin.
Oh my. Looks like you've earned yourself a few of these. . .
Now, our very simple rules require that you sit in the corner for
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-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), October 28, 2000.
hmm, you never disappoint.....rotflmbo!
-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), October 28, 2000.
Anita,
Glad to hear your take on Wisconsin. Is Wisconsin leaning to Bush now
only because of the Nader vote? I too wonder about Florida. Many
people say Bush just has to take Florida if he wants to win, but Gore
has been doing fairly well down there.
-- Celia Thaxter (celiathaxter@yahoo.com), October 28, 2000.
Celia:
Well, Gore is still SLIGHTLY ahead in the polls in Wisconsin [as of
today], but Nader is drawing 6% of the votes. Gore had an extremely
good rally there over the weekend, however, in which he had to
mention what might happen if Bush were elected....hint...hint. I
don't have the figures for Nader on the St. Norbert poll in
Wisconsin, but as of 10/18-24, Gore was up by 7%.
Pennsylvania is ALSO up on Gore today. I simply think Orvetti made a
few bad picks, which is NOT to say "Let the guard down."
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 28, 2000.
Anita,
Where are you picking up your state polling results? Do you have a
favorite site?
-- Celia Thaxter (celiathaxter@yahoo.com), October 28, 2000.
The Republicans could have beat Gore if they had nominated McCain.
But as it is, shrubby is unelectable. Might Nader come in second?
-- !! (???@?.?), October 28, 2000.
Celia:
Orvetti is STILL reporting on state election polls:
Saturday, October 28, 2000 Afternoon
Time/CNN: Bush 49%, Gore 43%... Newsweek: Bush 49%, Gore 41%... Fox
News polled likely voters in California, Florida, Illinois, Michigan,
Missouri, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and
Wisconsin. The result: Bush 46%, Gore 41%... Michigan: Gore 43%, Bush
42%, Nader 5%, Buchanan 2%, U.S. News and World Report finds. The
poll included Buchanan, even though he is not on the ballot in the
state. Fox News has Gore leading Bush 42-41% in Michigan...
Pennsylvania: Gore 45%, Bush 40%, Buchanan 5%, Nader 5%, U.S. News
and World Report finds; Gore 46%, Bush 39%, Fox News finds...
Wisconsin: Gore 43%, Bush 42%, Nader 6%, Buchanan 3%, U.S. News and
World Report finds... Illinois: Bush 44%, Gore 43%, Fox News finds...
Gore will campaign in California with President Clinton and that
state's Democratic governor, Gray Davis, next week... Bush campaigns
in California with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) Monday... Montana: Bush
49%, Gore 37%, Mason-Dixon reports... New York Senate candidates
Hillary Clinton (D) and Rep. Rick Lazio (R) met in an acrimonious
final debate Friday... California Senate rivals Sen. Dianne Feinstein
(D) and Rep. Tom Campbell (R) held a polite debate Friday as
supporters of Green nominee Medea Benjamin protested her
exclusion...Minnesota Senate candidate Mark Dayton (D) released FBI
files on a 1970's investigation into his political activities Friday.
Dayton's rival, Sen. Rod Grams (R), had demanded the release, but
Dayton has played up his past activism, which earned him a spot on
President Richard Nixon's "Enemies List"...
Another that is not updated as often is this one. I hope
I typed that correctly. I pored through information on
dinoflagellates to find a hard-copy [stuck behind Chapter 29 notes.]
I'm trying to study for exams coming up, but I can't seem to keep my
eyes off this election. Of course info on rallies in Wisconsin and
Missouri are from other sites that I visit daily.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 28, 2000.
Thump Thump thump whack!!
breathe dammit thump thump thump whack!!!!
Al-D "Why you keep bitch slapping them Nikoli?"
"Same reason you keep thumping on their chest, I'm trying to save
them."
-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), October 28, 2000.
I would suggest that calling everyone here "pure fucking vermin"
would not be the most effective method of "saving us."
-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), October 28, 2000.
Nikoli has an anger problem, he needs to save himself before he can
save anyone else. Anger, guns, and violence are not the answer.
-- (food@for.thought), October 28, 2000.
Yea!!! This is the ticket,go vote swapping on the internet,only 1 catch
though.Was it moi you swapped with? You are gonna vote for
Nader,right?,I'm gonna vote for Gore,right? WRONG ANSWER!!! I'm gonna
vote for BROWNE.Turnabout is fair play,right? Ya never know!
Oh what a wicked web we weave when at 1st we practice to decieve.
See ya on the vote swapping sites,maybe ; )
-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), October 29, 2000.
OH! Did I forget to mention the little club? : )
-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), October 29, 2000.
Question for the conspiricists among you to ponder :-) --
Why does the Voteswap2000 site send you a cookie with an expiration
date in 2034?
-- No Spam Please (nos_pam_please@hotmail.com), October 29, 2000.
Cap,
Swapping is done on the "honor system." I've corresponded with my
swapper, and I trust her. Call me foolish if you like, but I'm happy
to have a little faith.
-- Celia Thaxter (celiathaxter@yahoo.com), October 30, 2000.
Celia,
From what has been said I'm aware that vote swapping is legal but IMHO
not ethical by any means.Not only would I never take part but would
openly encourage others to undermine this activety by posing as
swappers and not following through,even the suggestion that this is
happening may make them think twice,putting enough doubt into the
swappers' mind that they may be hurting their own candidate.
-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), October 30, 2000.
Heres the real problem.
Campain Finance Reform
-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), October 30, 2000.
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