-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 28, 2000.
Was Jesus a Democrat or a Republican?greenspun.com : LUSENET : TB2K spinoff uncensored : One Thread |
"Take what you have and give it to the poor"Yep. Sounds like George Bush all right.
-- Sara Castic (sc@political.org), October 27, 2000
Now, Gore....he takes what WE have and gives it to the poor? Nope...to government agencies.Conservatives give thier to charity. Liberals give conservative's money to beaurocrats.
-- David (David@bzn.com), October 27, 2000.
Good point David. Sara, if you want to give to the poor, then why don't you just do it? No doubt Jesus will be waiting at the Pearlies to thank you.Why would you want to "give" to the bureaucrats, let them take their 50% off the top, and then pass on the rest to the organized voting block that supported them in the first place?
Oh, I get it, YOU are a bureaucrat.
-- (Paracelsus@Pb.Au), October 27, 2000.
According to Pat, he would be Reform. Pat would probably let him be VP.Best wishes,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 27, 2000.
Sara Castic,
Obviously, He was neither, since both parties were founded hundreds of years after Jesus had walked on the earth. Now if He were alive today, He would obviously be a Republican. Jesus would not agree with the killing of unborn babies.
-- J (Y2J@home.comm), October 27, 2000.
Well, To answer the question honestly, I think Jesus would take one look at the you, me, the RNC, the DNC, and shake his head ....
-- David (David@bzn.com), October 28, 2000.
So Jesus would be a *religious* conservative, as opposed to a fiscal or philosophical conservative? Republicans in general believe in smaller government imposing fewer restrictions on people. The religious right isn't really Republicans, they are nutballs. The *real* Republicans, to their shame, have pandered to the religiously intolerant to snag that voting bloc, in the process doing grave damage to the integrity of their basic position. And I think this pandering to the Bible-loonies really costs most Republicans the support of genuine conservatives.Well, where we sit is where we stand. 10 years ago I've have voted Gore because Bush threatens to deprive me of competent domestic abortions. But today I'm old enough for this to be moot, so I'll vote Bush because Gore threatens to deprive me of my guns. And it's a shame to have to decide which politician presents the smaller threat to our basic Constitutional liberties, so as to wheedle votes from the religious wackos or the "everything that isn't mandatory should be prohibited" activists.
-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), October 28, 2000.
The Dems promise to fleece usRepubs promise to grease us
but Greens are so clean
their poop is unseen
and Nader hangs out with JeeSUS
-- (nemesis@awol.com), October 28, 2000.
JESUS would/is hang out with sinners[pissing off the moral-majority] he would tell them how very much father loves them,and that they we,re created for something that would blow there minds! that anytime they had a problem[with-self] just come & dump-on-him!! that the kingdom of god would be in them! that they will NEVER DIE! that he is there big-brother,& HE is going to do something for them,that they can,t/don,t have to do for themselves!! that as far as HE,S concerned they,re a-ok.that he will give them a free-gift that will blow there-minds!!that he is going to bring them back to there-TRUE FATHER!& THAT RELIGION IS NOT THE WAY!! too chill & let him carry the load!!
-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 28, 2000.
J:Interesting point. You think Jesus would feel strongly about abortion. It was a common practice in his time [as it always has been]. Wonder why he didn't address the practice directly. Well he may have; we just have no actual first hand account of anything he said.
Best wishes,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 28, 2000.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 28, 2000.
Kindof screws up the effect when ya screw it up on the first try.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 28, 2000.
Z--Not disputing you; just curious. What were the techniques of abortion 2000 years ago? I inquire with trepidation.
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 28, 2000.
Editing Al's post above for Christianity Today.(First cut).JESUS would/is hang out with sinners[pissing off the moral-majority] he would tell them how very much father loves them,and that they we,re created for something that would blow there minds! that anytime they had a problem[with-self] just come & dump-on-him!! that the kingdom of god would be in them! that they will NEVER DIE! that he is there big-brother,& HE is going to do something for them,that they can,t/don,t have to do for themselves!! that as far as HE,S concerned they,re a-ok.that he will give them a free-gift that will blow there-minds!!that he is going to bring them back to there-TRUE FATHER!& THAT RELIGION IS NOT THE WAY!! too chill & let him carry the load!!
-- (Strunk_and_ White@Al's.cubicle), October 28, 2000.
White screwed that up!
-- (Strunk@Al's.pad), October 28, 2000.
Anita's picture. . .
-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), October 28, 2000.
Lars:There were many. Some could be fatal; particularly the mechanical ones. Every culture knew of some herbal combination or fungal extract which would induce abortion. To give you technical details, I would need to find my lecture notes. I talked about the subject about 10 years ago in a course dealing with traditional uses of natural products. Probably, with my organization abilities, there is no way I can find the notes.
Best wishes,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 28, 2000.
Lars,Ingesting mistletoe was a classic in some cultures.
I found an article which may interest you;
http://www.szmc.org.il/machon/abortion.htm
"Ancient Times
Even in ancient times primitive methods were used to bring about abortion. These methods were of two main types:
Piercing the fetus via the vagina (generally without concern for sterility); Use of pharmacological means to bring about a cessation of pregnancy and expulsion of the contents of the womb.
Echoes of these methods are heard in the Hippocratic Oath, which completely forbids any assistance in ending a pregnancy - "I shall never give a woman a drug or instrument for the purposes of abortion" - and in the poet Ovid's criticism of "those women who puncture and pierce with instruments or give deadly potions to their unborn children." Ancient literature describes other methods used to terminate pregnancies, including external warming, physical activity, and extreme self-imposed starvation.
Despite fairly widespread use of abortion techniques, most legislators of the ancient cultures - both religious and secular - regarded termination of pregnancy as a forbidden act. Moral repugnance at harming a living fetus and interfering with the natural process of pregnancy found expression in different ways. Until the second half of the twentieth century there were hardly any examples of a complete absence of moral objection to the killing of a fetus. Nevertheless, moral opposition in theory was not always accompanied by legal enforcement."
-- flora (***@__._), October 28, 2000.
Lars:What Flora said is not what I get from Roman History. I am short of time here. This will give you a snippet of history:
History
If you want to do it yourself with herbs, try:
Abortion methods go back before the formation of cities. The secret formula was generally passed on by a line of doctors/spiritual leaders. A lot of the knowledge has been lost. Some fungi were prized for this. The moral objections, are generally, more recent.
Best wishes,,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 28, 2000.
Actually Z,That was a quoted snippet from the article. It's a long piece, I thought it would give Lars something to chew on, & doesn't absolutely agree with my interpretation either. {Short on time today}.
-- flora (***@__._), October 28, 2000.
Flora and Z--Thanks for your responses. As an essentially pro-life person, I was gratified by your historical reference to "moral repugnance" Flora and surprised at your CWA link Z.
I wonder when coat hangers were invented?
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 28, 2000.
Lars:Yeah; but they have the history correct. Under the Romans, at the time of Christ, abortion was common and legal [as was infanticide]. When you are in a hurry, you use what you can get. We really have no information about what Jesus or James said on the subject. What we have ignores it entirely. This may reflect the fact that the NT was, to a large extent, developed by Romans who saw these as normal procedures [as well as homosexuality; probably why Jesus had nothing much to say on that subject]. Ah, the Roman filter.
Best wishes,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 28, 2000.
>> Was Jesus a Democrat or a Republican? <<Obviously not.
-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), October 28, 2000.
jesus didn,t CONDEMN!! HE saw all the depravity ,all around him!! that was not his=FOCUS!! too bad religion doesn,t=GET IT!! HE CAME PREACHING THE kingdom of god[within] not SIN!! he is THE CURE FOR SIN,so why focus on the problem-when your the ANSWER!!""mankind has an IDENTITY-PROBLEM!! *COME TO THE LIGHT* out of darkness[of-carnal-mind]GOD sees ALL AS PERFECT [IN]CHRIST!!WHEN ADAM-FELL-HE [THOUGHT] GOD was mad at him! ""not""you see dear-ones-GOD already had the cure!!! *the bible say,s[put on the mind of christ]YOU are a son-of-GOD!! all HELL & CONDEMNATION IS IN THE ""MIND"" like JESUS said=as a man THINKETH-SO-IS-HE!! THE EARTH WILL not PASS AWAY--WRONG THINKING=WILL!! *our heaven[mind]& earth[body] will pass away!! the planet earth didn,t=sin!! what has too pass-away is WRONG-THINKING!! FATHER-GOD[IN] JESUS IS NOT MAD AT ANYONE!! the devil[carnal-mind] is a LIAR!!SO-WHO YOU GONNA -BELIEVE?? RELIGION SAY,S DO & YOU,LL BE GOOD[TEE-HEE]-GOD SAY,S IT,S DONE-YOU ARE GOOD!!----YOU ARE 'SO-LOVED'
-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 28, 2000.
What al said (maybe)--Jesus didn't condemn! HE saw all the depravity around him! That was not his focus! It's too bad religion doesn't get it! He came preaching. The Kingdom of God [within], not sin! Jesus is the cure for sin, so why focus on the problem when you're the answer! Mankind has an identity problem!
Come to the light, out of darkness [of-carnal-mind]. God sees all as perfect in Christ! When Adam fell, he thought God was mad at him! No, you see dear ones, God already had the cure! The bible says [put on the mind of Christ] you are a son of God! All Hell and condemnation is in the mind. Like Jesus said "as a man thinks, so is he". The earth will not pass away. Wrong thinking will pass away. Our heaven [mind] and earth [body] will pass away! The planet earth didn't sin. What has to pass-away is wrong-thinking! Father God in Jesus is not mad at anyone! The devil [carnal-mind] is a liar!
SO WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE? RELIGION SAYS "DO AND YOU'LL BE GOOD" [TEE-HEE] .GOD SAYS IT'S DONE--YOU ARE GOOD!!----YOU ARE 'SO LOVED'
-- (editing_Al@Library_of.Congress), October 28, 2000.
Jesus was a Theocrat. He wants me to govern you in His name. Send money.
-- (Gary_North@Mountain.redoubt), October 28, 2000.
abortion=murder!! plain & simple!! [eyes to see]when JESUS was born-a-decree' was sent out by an evil king-to kill all male babies!!
what was the evil king afraid of??
the evil king 'knew' the messiah was coming!
anyone get it???
something very earth-changing--is happening in the spiritual-realm!!
oh-no not doom & gloom--THE DELIVERANCE OF CREATION!!
BUT 1ST-THE AGONY[PAINS] OF BIRTH!!
ALL mankind-will be born-again!!
in the meantime-confusion-& distress of nation,s!!
GOD said'let the righteous become more righteous--&---the un- righteous more un-righteous!!
the CONSUMATION-OF-THE-AGES!!
to everything under the sun[son]-there is a season=[age]
as it was-in the day,s of noah!!
this is happening=in the SPIRIT!!
the ark--is--being [IN] CHRIST!!
A NEW-AGE IS DAWNING!!
BUT OH THE DARKNESS--BEFORE THE DAWN!!
-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 29, 2000.
"abortion=murder!! plain & simple!! [eyes to see]"Your 'eyes to see' aren't looking out from within a body that has the responsibilty to bear {and hopefully care for} a child. You spoke of your daughter recently, I am happy about your reunion. If you don't mind me asking, did you use your judgement to take moral and financial responsiblity for her during your 20 years of estrangment?
-- flora (***@__._), October 29, 2000.
{Awfully quiet 'round here}What would be an appropriate punishment for such a 'murder'? Death? Or would uttering 'forgive me Father' take care of things?
Where are those of you who were bashing Ken about 'the patriarchy'?
-- flora (***@__._), October 29, 2000.
Social Liberal and Political conservative by todays standard. Do it because its right, not because someone makes you do it.
-- Just passin through (nobody@nowhere.com), October 31, 2000.