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CHECK IT OUT, all religions[including warped christianiy] is man,s EFFORT to perform!! trying to be good in own effort!! when JESUS [GOD IN FLESH] said you can,t do it!! being born again is simply GOD in us ,doing it!! so simple-so-restful---yippee FREE AT LAST!!

IT,S ALL ABOUT WHAT HE CAN DO!! *being happy-no more worry*


-- al-d. (dogs@zianet.com), October 22, 2000


al, asssuming you accept this dictionary defintion, then I think you are in a "religion" as defined in (2) and (4). What is your problem with this word?

Main Entry: re7li7gion

Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY Date: 13th century

1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith - re7li7gion7less adjective

-- Lars (
lars@indy.net), October 22, 2000.

This will be the end result of all religion...

Associated Press
EDS NOTE GRAPHIC CONTENTS--Palestinian paramedics rush Thaer Omar Hassan, 17, to an ambulance after he was fatally shot in the head during clashes between Palestinians and Israeli soldiers in the West Bank town of Ramallah Friday, Oct. 20, 2000. Marching from mosques to Israeli checkpoints in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, thousands of Palestinians hurled stones and firebombs at Israeli troops as the ceasefire deadline made at the Sharm el-Sheik summit draws near. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay)

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-- religion = (death@and.destruction), October 22, 2000.



-- letting HIM do it! (DOGS@ZIANET.COM), October 22, 2000.

Hmmmmm, very strange.

-- (try@this.again), October 22, 2000.

-- (last@final.attempt), October 22, 2000.

A 14-year-old Palestinian boy Moayad Jawareesh, is carried away by paramedics after he was shot in the head in the West Bank city of Bethlehem October 16, 2000. Violence flared in several areas of the West Bank and Gaza Strip on Monday as Israeli and Palestinian leaders began an emergency summit in Egypt aimed at stopping the fighting. ( Luis De Vega/Reuters)

-- (religion @ = . insanity), October 22, 2000.


-- NOT SURPRISED!!!!!!!!! (PUPPIES TOO@ZIANET.COM), October 22, 2000.

So lets see--Atheists never kill anyone? Ever hear of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. Was Hitler identified with any faith? I think he was a mystic.

-- (Paracelsus@Pb.Au), October 22, 2000.

Atheism is just as bad as religion. They believe that they are the only ones who are right and everyone else is wrong, that is the problem.

-- (exclusive@belief.systems), October 22, 2000.

Hitler was a devout Catholic.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), October 22, 2000.


-- i believe the GOD/MAN! (DOGS@ZIANET.COM), October 22, 2000.


Main Entry: re7la7tion7ship

Pronunciation: -sh&n-"ship

Function: noun

Date: circa 1744

1 : the state of being related or interrelated

2 : the relation connecting or binding participants in a relationship: as a : KINSHIP b : a specific instance or type of kinship

3 a : a state of affairs existing between those having relations or dealings

b : a romantic or passionate attachment

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 22, 2000.

The Unknown Hitler: Nazi Roots in the Occult

-- (Paracelsus@Pb.Au), October 22, 2000.

Hre is the funeral for the boy in the second picture, wearing a blue shirt...

Palestinian mourners chant slogans as they carry the body of slain 14 year-old boy Moayad Jawareesh, who was shot in the head yesterday in clashes in the West Bank city of Bethlehem October 17, 2000. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak said Israel agreed with Palestinians at a summit in Egypt to end a wave of violence. REUTERS/Peter Andrews

-- (killed@for.religion), October 22, 2000.

Here is the funeral for another 14 year old boy who died because of his religion...

Palestinians wearing masks and carrying automatic weapons surround the body of Hamad Hamid, a 14-year-old Palestinian boy, as his body is driven on a jeep through the West Bank town of Ramallah October 22, 2000 during the boy's funeral. Hamid was shot yesterday by Israeli troops during clashes. REUTERS/Mahfouz Abu Turk

-- (another.one@bites.the.dust), October 23, 2000.

Here is ANOTHER 14 year old boy who was killed in the name of religion.

It seems as though the Israelis have a preference for killing 14 year old boys.

The brother of Wael Imad, a 14-year-old boy who was killed in clashes between Israeli soldiers and Palestinians stone-throwers in Gaza on Sunday, kisses his body during his funeral in the Jabalya refugee camp in the Gaza Strip, October 22, 2000. The death of the boy brought to 122 the number of people killed in more than three weeks of violence between Israelis and Palestinians. REUTERS/Ahmed Jadallah

-- (life@cut.short), October 23, 2000.

Here is his funeral...

The body of Wael Emad is carried for burial along the streets of the Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza Sunday, Oct. 22, 2000. The 14-year-old Palestinian boy was shot and killed Sunday in the Gaza Strip during a clash at the Erez crossing with Israel, hospital doctors said. (AP Photo/Karel Prinsloo)

-- (another@sacrificial.lamb), October 23, 2000.

Isn't religion grand?? At play in the fields of the lord in the Mideast, Bosnia, Kosovo, Northern Ireland and on and on--barf.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), October 23, 2000.

Do we blame the rock, the bullet, the blade? Do we blame Arafat, Barak, Clinton? Do we blame Jesus, Mohammed, Adonai?

Religion doesnt kill people  people kill people. Place the responsibility where it ultimately belongs  the doer of the deed, the one who takes the life.

Would ahimsa - non-violence as practiced in India during their long, deadly fight for home rule work in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict? Is there one such as the Mahatma alive today who carries the respect & love of his people?

Where are the great souls? Yes God, I expect an answer. I demand an answer. Your children are out of control yet again.


-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), October 23, 2000.

"I don't have a problem with God, it is his followers I have a problem with..."

I don't know who said it... but I believe it...

snarlin' at the JW...

The Dog

-- The Dog (dogdesert@hotmail.com), October 23, 2000.

maybe 14 yr old boys are the only ones who have the balls to fight, over there

-- sure (thisis@madeup.com), October 23, 2000.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason/ part1.html

It is certain that, in one point, all nations of the earth and all religions agree. All believe in a God, The things in which they disgrace are the redundancies annexed to that belief; and therefore, if ever an universal religion should prevail, it will not be believing any thing new, but in getting rid of redundancies, and believing as man believed at first. [In the childhood of the world," according to the first (French) version; and the strict translation of the final sentence is: "Deism was the religion of Adam, supposing him not an imaginary being; but none the less must it be left to all men to follow, as is their right, the religion and worship they prefer. -- Editor.] Adam, if ever there was such a man, was created a Deist; but in the mean time, let every man follow, as he has a right to do, the religion and worship he prefers.

-- Mrs. Cleaver (Mrs. Cleaver@LITBBBB.com), October 24, 2000.

There is only ONE true religion that honors God.

This is the religion that ACCEPTS the beliefs of ALL religions, and does not try to destroy those whose beliefs are different than theirs. God loves to be thought of in ALL of the many ways that humans can imagine, because He/She is all of these, and more. God IS Everything.

Only when we can live in peace with this understanding, will we ALL be faithful to the one and only true religion of God.

-- (God.is.everything.we believe@and.more), October 24, 2000.

JESUS SAID, all murder & hate comes from within, the heart,s of men!! so also -heaven & hell-in mind!! no gilda, it,s not, GODS will for hell on earth!! too bad you don,t know THE END OF THE STORY!! THE LONG-NITE, IS ALMOST OVER!! HEAVEN WILL COME TO EARTH!!=RESTORATION!! IT,S A GOD-JOB-SO CHILL TIL HE CHANGES THINGS. 1 HEART AT A TIME!! so in the meantime you can fuss & cuss,or pray! ''THY KINGDOM COME--THY WILL BE DONE""

-- I BELIEVE THE LORD!! (DOGS@ZIANET.COM), October 24, 2000.

Last I checked, Mrs. Cleaver, Buddhism does not center around a god... i.e. Buddha isn't a god by himself, anyway.

Religion is for fools. Time for man to grow up and get along.

One of my fave links: http://attrition.org/quotes/religion.html

-- nevermind (just@notherbuckeye.com), October 24, 2000.

nevermind, I couldn't agree more. (At this point, some of the godly on this forum usually come on with pious Christian words like, "Gilda you *!&#$%, bitter old hag, God will get you!"

Bingo, it's religion that is the root cause of the killing. They aren't killing over the food, beanie babies, or drugs--it's all about religion. I've seen it cause churches and communities to split, make enemies of family loved ones, turn neighbors against one another, turn friends into enemies, and I've read of all the ancient, historical atrocities committed in the name of various religion down through the ages.

Sure people fight over food, beanie babies and drugs, but for pure, unadulterated hatred, cruelty and viciousnessness--that calls for religion. And why?? All because believers want a Big Daddy to watch over them, one who will destroy and burn their enemies in a "molten lake of everlasting hell fire," while they rejoice and live "happily ever after," in their exclusive, personal heaven--just like in the fairy tales.

Why anyone would want to be part of this depraved, delusional group, suffering from mass mind control is beyond me. For me, the unexamined life isn't worth living. And believing religious dogma from a primitive, superstitious time is absolutely absurd.

Have you noticed the lack of miracles in modern times--no parting of seas to allow the good guys to prevail, no turning women into pillars of salt, (they wish) no water into wine, no chariots in the sky, no one rising from the dead, (some just look that way,) no religious fetiches curing disease. Now why aren't we seeing any miracles??

al-d, a big hug to you too, but what you probably need is a whack to the side of the head to bring you to your senses. Better yet, read A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom by A. D. White, and you will have a very eye and brain opening experience. It makes me mad as hell to read how the " interference with science in the name of religion...has resulted in the direst of evils..." If the almighty church had had its way, we wouldn't even have electricity. And by the way, A. D. White was a Christian and the co-founder of Cornell University. And further more, he can prove, document and authenticate every word he says. This isn't just some non-believer phamplet. This is the complete history of the conflict of church and science, and the church as set back science by hundreds, maybe thousands of years.

The greatest evil is always portrayed as the greatest good.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), October 26, 2000.

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