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OK, looks like Ken says the decision as to whether I am included is completely up to you. So my question to you is: Are you going to still insist that I supply an e-mail address so that your relations can track me down if they ever feel that they have justifiable cause, or are you going to simply allow me to come without one?

(By the way, being new to the state of Virginia, I have to ask: Do most people around rural Front Royal say relations when they really mean relatives? And, does this ever lead to embarrassing interpretations? Like: Sorry, but my wife and I cant attend your party, we have scheduled relations for that weekend.)

-- King of Spain ("mailto:madrid@aol.cum"), October 10, 2000.


Bingo1, I posted the above yesterday in the thread

"Can women be sexist?"

and, so far, I have not gotten any response from you. I would like to avoid, if at all possible, this issue spilling over into tomorrow night's Bok's chat room discussions (Thursday, October 12, 2000, at 11PM EST), so your speedy response is very much appreciated in advance.

Relative (non-relational) Regards,

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 11, 2000


Bingo, people with fake emails are not to be trusted. Trust me.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), October 11, 2000.

Agreed. They're trolls that should be deleted.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), October 11, 2000.

nemesis & hmm: LOL!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 11, 2000.


Why are Rich's reasons for wanting your email address any different than YOURS for not wanting to give him one???

Six of one, half-dozen of another.

-- cin (cin@=0.)), October 11, 2000.


There is a BIG difference, here. If you and I agree to meet for lunch at a crowded public place, we can -- based on how comfortable we are with each other -- choose to divulge personal information, or choose not to. We can then leave as annonymously as we came, if that is our choice.

Bingo1's only justification that he has presented to me is that he wants my e-mail address so that his relatives can track me down if he encounters foul play. That is insulting, it is ludicrous, and I am not buying it.

I used to think that CPR was the biggest control freak that we had on this forum, but I am beginning to see that we have at least one, if not two, others, with their "lists". Thanks, but I will stick with my current Internet policy: Hard to find, easy to schedule.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 11, 2000.

You know, KOS, your persistent reluctance to provide an email address, after continuous reassurance that your privacy will in no way be compromised, does lead one to wonder.

I, personally, would have no desire to meet someone like that. Now don't mistake this for fear; it's more like dis-interest. I'm really not in to head games.

p.s. On a side note...A friend of mine turned out to be a "serial killer"; he killed and dismembered several women. But you know, he was the sweetest guy, and it took me forever to believe he was actually capable of such a thing. He's in prison, awaiting trial.

It DOES happen, you know.

-- cin (cin@=0.)), October 11, 2000.

ewww tell me you jest Cin?

how awful.

KOS: so 'who' are the other control freaks you made reference to? :-0

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), October 11, 2000.

You know, KOS, your persistent reluctance to provide an email address, after continuous reassurance that your privacy will in no way be compromised, does lead one to wonder.

What does it lead one to wonder about?

KOS, what about just getting a hotmail or yahoo email account?

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), October 11, 2000.

Gawd! It just gets better. Last week: sexist. This week: serial killer. Next week? Stay tuned....

hmm: If nothing else, it is the principle. There is NO REASON why I should have to provide an e-mail address -- NONE! In the event that I somehow manage to take out an entire restaurant in broad daylight and not leave a trace, there are one and half years worth of IP addresses running around these Yourdon-esque forums that would allow the proper authorities to find me. Note that I say "proper authorities". As opposed, say, to some yahoo's "relations".

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 11, 2000.



-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), October 11, 2000.

I used to think that CPR was the biggest control freak that we had on this forum, but I am beginning to see that we have at least one, if not two, others, with their "lists". Thanks, but I will stick with my current Internet policy: Hard to find, easy to schedule.

^^^^ Still awaiting an answer.......

****yawn, hey wanna mudwrestle while we wait? hee hee

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), October 11, 2000.


Bingo1, obviously; Ken Decker certainly.

I will admit that last year, the standard doomer line as to why-all- the-secrecy was pretty understandable to even the most dense: cash/gold/silver being stored at home, the wish to share preparation tips that might be a teeny bit in violation of codes (e.g., drilling a well), that sort of thing.

But even without Y2K concerns, I believe it is just good practice to go cautiously when dealing with strangers on the Internet. As much as I feel like I know some people in a cyber sense, the reality is that until you meet someone in real life, you really are dealing with a stranger. "Identity theft", for example, is now getting a lot of high profile attention -- it is absolutely how scary some of the stories are that have been reported, where someone only gets wind that someone has been using their identity for 6 months when they get a bad credit rating due to non-payments on their $500,000 loan that someone took out using their name and numbers.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 11, 2000.


I can certainly understand being a lil afraid of a serial killer who would steal your identity and force you into bankruptcy.

All kidding aside, I could give a crap less whether you fork over an email addy or not. I did have a problem with that and it wasnt fun. Alot of folks here remember me gripping/going off about being spammed.

But, I can say for certain, I have given out my REAL (no hotmail) aol addy to folks here and I have NOT been abused not once. Bingo has my true email and he is a very nice person.

Now, Ken otoh, I'd watch out for him. See he likes to hunt and he may fit the profile of the serial killing identity thefter. Ya just never know.

And um, after all, how can you really trust anyone who wont mudrestle?


-- consumer (shh@aol.com), October 11, 2000.

hmm: If nothing else, it is the principle.

Well, it appears to be nothing else, so it must be the principle. LOL.

There is NO REASON why I should have to provide an e-mail address -- NONE!

This is true. However, there is also no reason why they should have to show up at Bok's chat to make the arrangements either. You guys could just arrange it right here on the forum, for example.

At some point, someone has to give in. Otherwise, it's like the Palestinians and Israelis, or better yet, Bore and Gush arguing about the temperature in the debate hall and the height of the lecterns. Unless someone gives a little, you'll continue to talk past each other and blame each other for being the one to hold up the process.

A hotmail or yahoo email address eliminates any possibility of "identity theft." If you use anonymizer to send your email, then nobody even knows where your coming from. Only principle stands in your way (as it often does in situations like this). No, you shouldn't HAVE to make this extra effort, but by doing so, you at least demonstrate a willingness to be the "bigger man" and let them have their way this time (sexual innuendo unintentional).

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), October 11, 2000.

The cin person says:

I'm really not in to head games.

Based on your past postings I would have to say that you are delusional, ignorant, or most likely both.

-- Where (do@they.cumfrum), October 11, 2000.

KOS: Hey, if you don't want to use a real email addy then don't. It doesn't stop me from reading your (or any other) posts. Nor does it shape/form my opinion about you. Only your writings do that (I'm using "you" as in anybody else but you...!)

I find some people to be quite creative in making up thier names and it tells you a little bit about them. Like Uncle Deedah (heh, heh)or "working@home.now" or when Anita was using "notusing@anymore.thingee" I thought these, and more, are really inventive.

(More than say this: JohnShir@blah.blah...all I know here is there is probably a "john" in the family, y-a-w-n... ;-)

I use a real address because if you really want to track me down, go ahead. I have nothing of any real value and my life is pretty ordinary (no murderous past or anything, cin ;-).


-- Not now, not like this (AgentSmith0110@aol.com), October 11, 2000.

I don't think Bingo (Rich) is anxious to spend time with you, Spain.

As for issue of email, "Hmmm" is right. You can use "hotmail" and "anonymizer" to protect your identity. It simply takes a tiny effort on your part. Rich and I already have email addresses.

Why should we bother with email? If I want to set a lunch meeting, I consider it a private matter. My social plans are not any concern of the forum or the chat room. Email also allows for changes in plans. If I were to meet Rich for lunch in Front Royal, I'd ask him to drop me an email if he needed to cancel. This is a matter of common courtesy. A timely note could save me a wasted trip. Perhaps most importantly, an exchange of email allows one to more accurately determine the potential value of a meeting. I have read your posts for well over a year. I wonder if you are the same person in "real life." If so, I really can't see any reason to spoil a decent dinner with Rich because you keep grabbing the waitress and asking her if she wants to mud wrestle.

If the email is really such a hurdle, Spain, don't bother.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@att.net), October 11, 2000.

Two things.

One, I did not make up my name, my nephew did when he was learning to talk. There are lots of people who call me Deedah in the real world, being a silly person it bothers me not one bit. The Mrs even calls me Dieter sometimes, and that's fine too. I sometimes need to check my driver's license to remember my 'real' name.

Two, I use my Yahoo address for all of my email. It saves any confusion or hassles if I change my ISP, which I have done 3 times. I use it here with every post I make and have never had a problem with spam or psychos. You should get one Spain, you don't need to reveal anything about yourself when you open it. Hell, the name King of Spain may be still available, go for it.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 11, 2000.

kos- Considering all the insulting crap you posted last year on TB1, I have no idea why Bingo or Ken (or anyone else here for that matter) would have any desire to meet you in real life.

Never the less, your backpeddling and whiney tone over the logistics of meeting with them has raised a question...

If (as you are so quick to point out) your IP address is so easily traced back to you, then why are you so scared to get a "pseudo-real" email account such as hotmail or yahoo in order to facilitate the meeting? Frankly, nothing you have argued to this point has convinced me you're anything but a paranoid chickenshit. Grow some testmculos, spaniard.

-- CD (costavike@hotmail.com), October 11, 2000.

I'm reminded on one of the last scenes in Braveheart, where the villagers cry out, "Meerrrcyy! Meeerrrcyy!" This is just too painful to watch.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), October 11, 2000.


Since yours is the only actual point worth responding to (looks like Ken is on another eating binge), let me explain again about the IP addresses. They can be traced, but not by just anyone, and certainly not from the "relations" of some yahoo in Front Royal, Virgina. In the event of a legitimate concern, we should all realize that we can be found. End of story.

So, WHY should anyone be forced to cough up an e-mail address, no matter how easy it is to get a fly-by-night one? There is absolutely no reason, other than some controlling type people simply "want" to have them.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 11, 2000.

Why cough up an email address?

Well, to gather a FAN CLUB, why else :-)

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), October 11, 2000.

Yikes! I just read the thread that started this all and I had no idea this was a continuation of Decker's thread on "can women be sexist"

I probably shouldn't have added my 0.02 worth w/o reading what was really going on. That'll teach me to check in at least once a week from now on ;-)


-- Not now, not like this (AgentSmith0110@aol.com), October 11, 2000.

So, WHY should anyone be forced to cough up an e-mail address, no matter how easy it is to get a fly-by-night one? There is absolutely no reason, other than some controlling type people simply "want" to have them.

I believe Ken addressed your question in his previous post, his reasons being the ability to keep the plans as a private matter as well as the added convenience of being able to change plans if necessary.

As I said before, you can use anonymizer with a hotmail or yahoo account and your true IP address will remain as untraceable as it has been on TB2000. All that the "controlling type people" will get is a fly-by-night email address that is otherwise completely useless. And again, it demonstrates that you are willing to set aside your differences to be the one that finally breaks the stalemate.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), October 11, 2000.

CD, it's the principle don-cha know?

Delusional and ignorant? Yeah, so, what's your point? You do have one, don't you? Don't you?

p.s. you forgot to mention my other special qualities - cunt bitch no charge whore...were there more?

-- cin (cin@=0.)), October 11, 2000.

Oh yes of course... I forgot

brainless vegetarian stupid blonde bimbo...

where's hawk when you need him

-- cin (cin@=0.)), October 11, 2000.

Vegetarian huh. Well, 1 out of 10 isnt too bad.

-- Where (do@they.cumfrum), October 11, 2000.

Where IS Hawk? I miss him.

-- Debra (Thisis@it.com), October 11, 2000.


Did you ever buy the Ford (truck, Expedition??) that you were going to?


-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), October 11, 2000.

Well, I drive a '98 Dodge 1500 Ram 4x4, if that is of any help. (Probably isn't.)

Meanwhile: Bingo1, Bingo1, where art thou, Bingo1????

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 11, 2000.

AHA! Now we know how to distract Spain LOL.

Actually, Frank, I did get a truck. It's a 95 Ford F150 XLT, v-8, xtra cab, slight lift in rear, custom paint, chrome everywhere, power everything, completely loaded. We just love it. Much bigger than I was shopping for, but when we first saw it, we just knew. My son keeps asking me when he gets to drive it to school. Lucky for me I have one or two more years before he can get his license. I think under a new law, they have to be 18. =)

-- cin (cin@=0.)), October 11, 2000.


FORD = (F)ix (O)r (R)epair (D)aily

though I have to admit the Fx50 is one tough truck.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 11, 2000.

Sorry spain..thought Ford meant FIRST-ON-RACE-DAY.

-- Mario (rusty@wreck.net), October 11, 2000.

Where,I wish you would lay off cin..we share a common admiration and taste for cats...

-- meat be meat (can't ever be too many on e@rth.so to eat), October 11, 2000.

KoS, I feel a special bond with you, since that sexist thread, and so I believe that my opinion should matter a great deal to you (ahem :^)

I'm with CD. Grow some Royal size balls and get a yahoo account. I have half a dozen myself. None of which have my real name, age, gender, or zip code. It DOES facilitate communication with strangers, and since you and Bingo appear to be 2 paranoid tinfoils (Bingo just admitted that on another thread), you should both appreciate communicating in private this way.

And just because I have half a dozen such email accounts does not make ME a paranoid tinfoil...just a bit paranoid ;)

-- (smarty@wannabe.one), October 11, 2000.

Spain, do you have anything POSITIVE to contribute this evening?

-- cin (cin@=0.)), October 11, 2000.



You can't go wrong with a full-sized truck, they're pretty tough. Safe too, for when you're hauling the little ones around.


-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), October 11, 2000.

This reminds of me of last year, Spain. It takes a great deal of effort to steadfastly ignore rational arguments. I can see you haven't lost your touch. Once again, an anonymous email is relatively secure and it allows changes in plans. After reading your last post, however, I think it is probably best for you to stay home. I doubt Rich will tolerate you insulting his relations in person.

By the way, one of the definitions of relations per Webster's Hypertext Dictionary: Relation: a person connected by consanguinity or affinity : RELATIVE (2) : a person legally entitled to a share of the property of an intestate b : relationship by consanguinity or affinity.

Reading is power.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@att.net), October 11, 2000.

Wow, cin!

"...xtra cab, slight lift in rear, custom paint, chrome everywhere, power everything, completely loaded..."

I LIKE that in a woman.

-- NotKOS (OnePump@Charlie.cum), October 11, 2000.


-- cin (cin@=0.)), October 12, 2000.


I looked it up in my Thorndike & Barnhart Advanced Junior Dictionary:

Pompous: 1. trying to seem magnificent; fond of display; acting proudly; self important: "the leader of the band bowed in a pompous manner." 2. Splendid; magnificent; stately.

Just a hint.

-- Are you a 1 or a 2? (anon@helpful.not), October 12, 2000.

I got your xtra cab power everything completely {hic!} loaded right here baby

-- trash (trailr@trash.barbie), October 12, 2000.

OK, so here we are on Thursday, October 12, 2000, and Bingo1 has not yet answered my question on this thread, even though I noticed that he has posted on other threads late yesterday. Funny how he could "miss" a thread entitled "***Bingo1*** ...".


Bingo1, I know you are lurking and reading this. Here is the deal: belly up to the bar, answer for yourself, stop hiding behind Ken Decker's and his girth. If you honestly don't want to include me, JUST SAY SO. No big deal, and end of story. If you do, then I want you to explain why you need me to supply you with an e-mail address, and it should be a much better explanation than the silly ones offered heretofore. Who knows, maybe I am overreacting here, and you can convince me. But it's tough talking to a blank thread.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 12, 2000.

King of Spain, you can make several rude comments about someone's weight in one breath, and ask him to lunch in the next? Bet you'd also expect him to pay too, right?

You're a whiny moany asshole. Why would Ken or Bingo or anyone for that matter, want to spend time and money to meet you? Both of them seem to be less than enchanted with you by now, as if you can't tell.

You really need a lesson in good manners.

ps- shut up already

-- Catherine (the@great.one), October 12, 2000.

You are losing it man.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 12, 2000.

Oh yeah, KOS, excuse me but I do not get it. You say that you don't want to give out an anonymous email address because you don't want your personal info going out over the net. BUT, you are perfectly willing to make plans detailing when and where you will be in person on a PUBLIC FORUM and CHAT ROOM???? Say what??

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 12, 2000.

Spain- I hesitate to point this out AGAIN, since you did not get it the last time on the sexist thread (perhaps you could go back and read, and COMPREHEND this time) so I will reiterate what was said again, (although I am probably wasting my breath). I do believe, Bingo said, it you want a response HE wants an email from your persona. Black and white-no greys there. As you have not provided one (I assume) you will get no response. If Bingo is a person of his word, which he has proven to be to many of us here, IRL, you are only wasting hot air on this thread.

Secondly, to beat the proverbial dead horse, the prayer group that meets in Bok's on Thursday nite, leaves prior to 11:00EDT so that they may pray communally for some folks around here that are ill. So it is illogical for you to expect Bingo or any of the prayer group members to even be in Bok's at that time. They are preoccupied with a prior commitment and a higher purpose. Just thought I would clarify things, so you could lower your frustration level...

No expectations as it were...

-- Aunt Bee (Aunt__Bee@hotmail.com), October 12, 2000.


Hawk is definately around. One of the fun things here is figuring out which anon he is using. But he IS here.

As for the debate-no comment, except, for any newbies, I did have my identity stolen last year, so I have never, and will never, post my e- mail address to this board. I gave it to folks in boks, and have had wonderful correspondence with about folks from here. Great group of people who were there for me when I needed them.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), October 12, 2000.

If you do, then I want you to explain why you need me to supply you with an e-mail address, and it should be a much better explanation than the silly ones offered heretofore.

Please explain why the explanations you have been given so far are inadequate.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), October 12, 2000.


(sigh) As "Aunt Bee" notes, it's pretty obvious Rich is ignoring you. It's also obvious why. He asked you to email him. You refused. Rich owes you no explanation. It was extraordinarily gracious of him to consider inviting you in the first place... particularly given your history of boorish behavior on both fora. Stop acting like the little boy who keeps tugging on a stranger's shirt sleeve yelling, "Hey, Mr! Hey, Mr! Hey, Mr! Hey, Mr!" Move on.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@att.net), October 12, 2000.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), October 12, 2000.


Since I know that you are reading this thread, let me just say that I was disappointed not to catch you at Bok's last night -- I was there from about 10-11:15PM EST. I was hoping to play a good game of bingo, but you were nowhere to be found.

Next Thursday, perhaps? Or perhaps the next??

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), October 13, 2000.

If I remember correctly, Spain, I think Bingo left for LV last night.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 13, 2000.

He did, and I TOLD KOS that when he entered chat last night looking for Bingo. In fact, more than one person told him. I guess KOS didn't LISTEN or is CHOOOSING to play STUPID ...it's ONE or the OTHER.

KOS, you are playing a game, how cute. How about the endlessly stupid game of tic-tac-toe next? I'll bet you could play tic-tac-toe for hours. Yup.

-- Good4BingoIgnoringYerDumbAss (n@n.n), October 13, 2000.

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