Also some interesting links on this page--
David Brooks, Salon.com, 8/2/00
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 08, 2000
Answers
So??
What is Salon.com, a website for homo hairstylists?
Bush has got every kind of weirdo in the book supporting him,
including Marilyn Manson. Nothing so amazing about that.
-- (what's@your.point?), October 09, 2000.
I enjoy Salon's political coverage. They have writers for every side
of the coin. Here's another more recent article you may enjoy, Lars.
Hot off the Press - Cheney
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 09, 2000.
What's my point? Duuuh. The point was to present an articulate
pro-Bush opinion from a non-partisan source. As Anita's post shows,
Salon presents many opinions and is not a mouthpiece for one party or
the other. I think it is the source of Unc's Paglia pieces. (Paglia is
an independent thinker with Libertarian inclinations).
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 09, 2000.
The piece on Cheney was a HATCHET JOB ....big time. Author left out
that Senator Clean even stated during the debate that Cheney was a
good member of the Cabinet AND Congress and they are in opposite
parties. So since Lieberman can't make any personal charges (the job
of the VP candidate, some HACK writer copies from the Democratic
Party smear sheets). He even inserts a flat out LIE that even alBore
wouldn't try...the charge that Cheney made big money because of Gov't
contracts. BULL SHIT.
TRY THIS: Gov't work 3.5 bill /5 years : 700 mill/year RIGHT?
Now: last 12 months to date : HALLIBURTON (HAL) NYSE: REVS: $13
BILLION.
700/13000 --> 00.0538 OR....... 5.38% BIG WHOOP. OR 94.62 % WAS
***NON-GOV WORK***.
HALLIBURTON DID GOV. WORK LONG BEFORE CHENEY WAS CEO. As an "Oil
Field Vendor" and many other things, it probably doesn't come across
that much Govt Work ANYWAY.
The rest of the piece is NIT PICKING THAT BELONGS IN A COTTON FIELD.
HAVE YOU VOTED IN .....EVERY .......SCHOOL ELECTION?? I live in the
same HPISD mentioned in the article. We have a TOTAL of 33,000
absolute SAINTS living here (there was one Democrat (Conservative but
still......) but she got sent by Clintstone to be Ambassador to
Austria) and maybe we get 35% turn out of the voters.
MEANWHILE......the Salon piece on Bush's Texas efforts is **FACTUAL**.
http://www.salonmag.com/politics/feature/2000/08/02/bush_cover/index1.
html
His administration
worked
quickly and effectively. Bush is no policy genius, but he does have
an instinct
for the bold move and then sticks with aides who draw up the plans.
His
administration suggested a bold tax reform package, which moved the
state's
revenue base from income to property taxes. It infuriated members of
the
business community, who were scarcely paying taxes under the income
tax regime,
and in the end he had to compromise away key elements of the plan (it
was the
state Republicans who opposed it). But in that episode he
demonstrated a
surprising penchant for innovation.
He was more successful with his education reform package, which
was also
unconventional, and which passed. The Rand Corporation recently
ranked Texas as
the state whose school system has made the most progress in the last
few years.
Bush has run a superb presidential campaign, much better than Bob Dole, for all
his
experience, was able to run; much better than Bush the elder was able
to run in
either 1988 or 1992. Again, he has attracted an outstanding and loyal
staff and
he's shown the instinct for the bold idea. Most GOP candidates would
not have endorsed
a Social Security reform plan that involved letting people open
private
accounts. It's a politically risky venture. But Bush exceeds
expectations.
Now you might think that being nice is no great shakes. Aren't all
politicians nice? You naive fool. In fact, most politicians who are
mad enough
to run for president are not nice. They are freaks. They are
solipsists. They
are consumed by a desire for power or a desire to be loved all the
time. They
can only think of their Queen Bee selves. That's why so few
presidents actually
have close friends. Either they are aloof from anybody who could
possibly
address them as an equal (like Nixon) or they
have
personally useful contacts in place of friendship (like Clinton), and
they discard
those people when they are no longer useful.
Look at Al
Gore. He is a deeply
un-nice
man. He was an unpopular senator because no one could penetrate
his
phoniness. Unlike Bush, he has not been able to attract and retain
talented
staff. Bush has created a smooth-running campaign team. Gore runs
through people
at an alarming rate, and many (though not all) of the Gore people are
un-nice --
ask the reporters who have to cover the campaign.
On foreign policy matters, for example, Bush has attracted the
policy wonk
version of the 1927 Yankees. You look at the people who will fill key
slots in
his administration, from C
olin
Powell and Condoleezza
Rice
down through less-prominent advisors such as Bob Zoellick
and Paul
Wolfowitz. They are the best out there. Gore has not acquired a
talented
foreign policy team. He is aloof from most experts except one: a man
named Leon
Feurth, who is also secretive and distant.
Bush wasn't my first choice this year. I was one of those media McCain
sycophants. But I've come to appreciate that while Bush appears
callow, he
continually exceeds expectations. And he does it not through force of
intellect
but through force of personality. We are lucky enough this year to
have a man
running for president who has not spent his life consumed by the idea
that he
must be president.
In other words we are lucky to have a relatively normal person
running for
president. Maybe Willy Loman was right: It's important to be liked
and even more
important to be well liked.
-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), October 09, 2000.
??? ....A deeply "un-nice man"... alBore???....
http://www.salonmag.com/politics/feature/2000/08/02/bush_cover/index1.
html
Look at Al Gore. He is a deeply
un-nice
man. He was an unpopular senator because no one could penetrate
his
phoniness. Unlike Bush, he has not been able to attract and retain
talented
staff. Bush has created a smooth-running campaign team. Gore runs
through people
at an alarming rate, and many (though not all) of the Gore people are
un-nice --
ask the reporters who have to cover the campaign.
http://www.salonmag.com/politics2000/feature/2000/02/23/gorleone/index
.html
Al Gore-
leone
Is the vice
president
really a nice guy or a goodfella?
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Jake
Tapper
Feb. 23,
2000 |The father -- feeble but still wise --
is talking
to his son in the family garden. The son, with a chiseled face and
jet-black
hair, looks at his dad with a mixture of reverence and sympathy as
the old man
bestows his last bit of wisdom upon the young man who has succeeded
him in the
family business.
"I worked my whole life -- I don't apologize -- to take care of my
family,"
the father says. "And I refused to be a fool dancing on the string
held by all
those big shots. I don't apologize, that's my life. But I thought
that when it
was your time that you would be the one to hold the strings. 'Senator
Corleone.'
'Governor Corleone.' Something."
How about "Vice
President
Corleone"?
Dragged back in the reality of the Big City, however, the sons
took to the
family business like fish to water. In 1976, Gore won a
multichallenger race by
working his butt off, shaking hands, kissing babies, doing what he
needed to do.
Corleone, too.
And once there, it all seemed so natural. Like Corleone, Gore
seems to have
made his peace long ago with the ugly world of politics. "I'm really
comfortable
with the trade-offs involved," Gore once said. "I have no complaints
with this
job, I really don't ..."
-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), October 09, 2000.
Charlie:
It's a "smear job" when it's against your candidate, but it's the
truth when it's against
someone else's? Do you like this link better?
< a href="http://www.public-i.org/story_01_080200_txt.htm">More on
Cheney
Lars:
Paglia is a Naderite. Your neurons are misfiring again, it seems. I
know the feeling well.
Paglia
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 09, 2000.
Did I have one space too many in that first link?
More on
Cheney
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 09, 2000.
Anita,
My neurons may be getting the best of me but I am sure I have seen
Paglia identify herself in the past as a Libertarian. Whatever, she is
an independent and original thinker with the fastest tongue in the
West.
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 09, 2000.
Lars:
Maybe she's a "swing" voter.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 09, 2000.
LOL, is this a sly reference to her bisexuality? I didn't mean it to
be, but "fastest tongue in the West" could also be taken that way.
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 09, 2000.
Well, since you explained it, it makes more sense, but I'm not
impressed. Did you assume
that everyone knows that Salon.com is a non-partisan source? Duuuh!
-- (salon@means.nothing), October 09, 2000.
CPR--
What did you do to screw up this thread? I get 8 Java Script error
dialog boxes every time I open the thread and every time I close it
ever since you added your replies. I don't get that on any other
thread. Please fix it if you can. Thanks.
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 09, 2000.
"means nothing"--
Of course.
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 09, 2000.
Anita, Lars,
Paglia is like Ken Decker, a Libertarian of sorts. Hell, y'all could
probably even say that of me, as I realise that there are some things
that are best handled by government.
-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 09, 2000.
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