On Gore and "Inventing" the Internet.

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This subject came up on another thread of late, and I think it was Jumpoff Joe who asked for the information I had on this one. Well, Joe, I looked and looked, but I couldn't find what I'd just read a few days before. [I hate it that things go away so fast on the web.]

I just came across this one, and it pretty much describes the situation as I read it, minus the information on the reporter who FIRST edited the remark.

Gore and the Internet

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), September 21, 2000


Good find Anita. Just as the impeachment (over lying about sex) backfired, so will the steady stream of BS being generated by the Republican Dirty Tricks specialists. Everything from Ray's rehashing of Whitewater (exonerations) to today's announcement that Kathlene Willey is suing Clinton for "invasion of privacy" (after she accused him on 60 Minutes of "groping her", he published flirtatious letters from her - already judged by legal scholars to be within his rights of self-defense) will come back to haunt the Conservative Right on November 7th.

-- payback is a bitch (@ .), September 21, 2000.


From Anita's link:

"GORE: During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Read it and weep, moron. Not "pushing", not "publicizing", not "recommending", not "advocating" ... but "CREATING". Not "creating awareness of", not "creating an appreciation for" ... just "creating". Or is this one of those classic Clintonesque "depends on what the word XXX, is".

Gawd. Makes you wonder if everyone in the Clinton administration has to prove themselves to be a pathological liar before they are given a position of responsibility.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 21, 2000.

Haven't been here for a while. Funny to run into KOS. Good man. Follow his opinion after Y2K. I think not.


-- DB (Debunker@normore.xxx), September 21, 2000.

I don't like Gore. He is a liar and a commie.

But, in his defense, what he is referring to is the fact that he voted for funding the internet when it was being started. Even liars and commies can make a sound judgement once in a while.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 21, 2000.

DB: Rather than blindly following ANYONE's opinion, why don't you just try using your brain and assess what they are saying, and make your OWN decision? Maybe, just maybe, even contribute something to the discussion??

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 21, 2000.

I have made my decision. Just pointing out that one must judge the track record of others opinions. Good to see you here. I have looked at EZ board and you and UNC seem to be following their lead. Not independently evaluating the data. Just Zog followers.

Hey just my observation. I could be wrong since I don't look in that often.


-- DB (Debunker@nomore.xxx), September 21, 2000.

I don't give a damn about who thinks what at EZboard, much less following the lead of anyone. My opinion is my opinion. Worthless maybe, but it is mine.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 21, 2000.

Care to elaborate on that a bit DB? How is it I am following the lead of EZ? Don't be shy.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 21, 2000.



The Many Faces of albore

---------------- Al Gore's Reinvention Tour Part I


The Great GREENIE??

Zinc Miner And Polluter Al





Gore Makeover. . .
Rambo Al

Al, The Truth Is. . .

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Gore Makeover. . .
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Hatchet Man Al

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Tobacco Farmer Al

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-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 21, 2000.


Gore Makeover. . .
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Returns On Equities Are Higher Al

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Stock Market Roulette Al

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Investing Social Security Money Is Good Al

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John McCain Wannabe Al

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Clintonesque Al

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Occidental Al

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Pharmaceutical Al

While Al Gore Attacks Pharmaceutical Companies. . .

Gore Friend And Adviser Former Congressman Tom Downey:

Gore Friend And Long-Time Advisor Peter Knight:

Gores Chief Domestic Policy Advisor David Beier:

Gore Adviser Anthony Podesta:

Gore Makeover. . .
Im My Own Man Al

One More Gore Makeover. . .
Bye Bye Coelho, Hello Daley

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 21, 2000.

Unc and KOS:

This is a personal point not a public point. If I had time I could match your statements to those on EZboard. But I must go out on business. You can read them. I haven't been here in some time. I see that CPR has posted. I didn't read his post, but I assume you are in his camp as well as Zog's, Dennis's, Jessebelles', Invars', Brulens'. etc. What else could I assume. Even the words are the same. Well I must go.


-- DB (Debunker@nevermore.xxx), September 21, 2000.

Who? Whosis?? Whatsisname??? Whatsisface???? GAWD!!!!!


I will take your word that people at EZboard are describing Gore as a lying piece of crap using the very same terminology that people here are. MAYBE it's because, when it comes to someone who lies so BLATANTLY like he does, the choice of words gets pretty narrow.

As far as CPR also being in agreement ... yes, I am completely dumbfounded as to how this could possibly be the case. Perhaps the West Nile Virus has spread to Texas, and CPR was bitten on the ass by a mosquito. Perhaps some sort of rip in our time-space continuium has occured, and we are in an alternative universe. There must be some logical explanation, as I cannot believe that CPR's brain could possibly sift through the same data and reach the same conclusion as mine on ANYTHING.

I think I will just go lie down for a while. Hopefully, tomorrow when I wake up, I will find CPR posting looney rants PRAISING Gore for his honesty and ethics, and the world as I know it will once again be back in place.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 21, 2000.

Oh, I see. People who do not like Al Gore are Zog followers, and since I am not an Al fan I do not independently evaluate data, I just follow the lead of Invar and bunch. Strange that I defended Al in this thread, since as a EZ follower I should just parrot the party line of the EZ boarders.

That is some trick that I know what the party line is, since I do not ever visit EZ there must be some explanation for how I follow their lead. Maybe I have psychic powers. Anyone care to see me chanel the spirit of Invar? Ok, here I go........It will be to your peril! Don't force me to point out how morally bankrupt the Nation has become, how we have lost our way and invite God's judgement upon this empty shell of our beloved birthright!

*shudder* I have a headache now, chaneling Invar is tough on the psyche.

BTW DB, the commie comment was tongue in cheek, I call anyone to the left of me a commie, just like I call those to the right of me a nazi. Only I am pure.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 21, 2000.

Unk and KOS:

Don't know. Just don't have time to do in depth analysis. It just looks that way on the surface. Both of you are people I would like to meet, just not people I agree with on this subject. If you consider being compared to Invar an insult, you are good people. The trouble with the web is you can only go by words.

I have to leave for Spain. See you in a while.


-- DB (Debunker@nevermore.xxx), September 21, 2000.

" What else could I assume. Even the words are the same. Well I must go.

DB "

Professor "F" used to define "assume" by spelling it out on the board in caps: " making an ASS out of U and ME. "

-- helen (b@r.e), September 21, 2000.

Anyone here listen to Rush Limbaugh? He's played the Al Gore and the Internet thing several times on his program. And the "Love Story," bit and a few other funny things Al baby said. Even though CPR can be a pain in the ass sometimes, he does come up with some pretty good stuff on Gore the Bore.

-- ~~~~~ (~~~~@~~~.xcom), September 21, 2000.

"There must be some logical explanation, as I cannot believe that CPR's brain could possibly sift through the same data and reach the same conclusion as mine on ANYTHING."


I know EXACTLY how you feel... <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), September 21, 2000.

Damn, I thought we finally got rid of the asshole. Guess we'll have to start spreading his business address around the Internet with some samples of his maniacal posts.

-- (takeout@the.trash), September 22, 2000.

Al Gore is a liar? Well damn it, ofcourse he lies, he's a politician. And so does Bush. But I hate Gore a bit less than Bush. So there. Now bite me.

About Gore's famous saying that he "helped create the Internet", I've always taken this as that he meant that he helped create the "Information Highway". In 1993 to 1995, that was the big thing, remember? Those of us who already were on the internet before the dot.com came along were on the dot.edu and dot.org, and Al Gore knew of it. He just made a blunder ala Quayle when he said "internet" instead of the "info highway" to bring it to the masses. Big deal!

-- (smarty@wannabe.one), September 22, 2000.

CPR, Ken may criticize you for your "files", but you really have some great ones! Thanks for that.

Payback, Just as the impeachment (over lying about sex) backfired Point of clarification. Clinton was impeached. The vote was for removal from office. How did it backfire? He was the first elected prez ever impeached. That one will go down in the history books.

to be within his rights of self-defense Self defense from what? I see it as a "tit for tat" thing. Clinton in court for invasion of privacy; I can't wait to see that one played out. I think Clinton is losing it in his old age.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), September 22, 2000.


That looks like a QUOTE. But where from?

Why CPR gives it for the DUM-DUMS:


which has a root:


And what is the rnc.org??


-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 22, 2000.

You mean Gore really didnt invent the internet?

Oh darn:-(

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), September 22, 2000.

Al Gore did NOT invent the Internet! I did.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), September 22, 2000.

I gave up on Sleez some months ago because I just could not stand to read their poisonous, hate filled rants any longer. For the love of your god, man, PLEASE do not start the Invar-like anti/commie, anti/enviro, anti/nazi, anti/Klinton, anti/LIEberal, anti/DEMONcrat, feminazi, homophobic, gun-loving rants on this forum as well. If you want to act like an a-hole, please take it to the Sleez where you will be in excellent company and on a forum where your utter hatred of all that is not Rush/Robertson will be quite welcome.

DB is correct... all the self-serving BobJones/Rush/militia/rants begin to sound alike and they are all such a damn bore. Up until today, this forum's posters (with two exceptions) have had my respect.

In other words, this forum has a distinct personality much different from that of the Sleez. Why is that such a bad thing? If you want to compete with Zog or any one of the other 20 or so regular posters on that board - why not DO IT ON THAT BOARD?

-- FedUp (AsGood@sAnyoneElses.com), September 22, 2000.

FedUp: Normally, I applaud venomous hate-filled attacks on CPR. But, in your case, I am making an exception. Go zog yourself.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 22, 2000.

*I* followed the thread, Charlie, and I knew that you'd simply copied and pasted from the Republican National Committee's site. Had there been anything relevant to the original thread topic, I would have even responded. I could even have countered your post with material from the DNC, but I'm not a Democrat OR a Republican, so that wouldn't have made any sense TO ME. If what you posted made sense to YOU in the context of this thread, I applaud you. You, obviously, see sense where I see NONsense.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), September 22, 2000.


Actually, I was writing about you. Unc - I have come to accept. CPR, when he is not spamming, may at least be entertaining. Your type of venomous and content-free prose is more common on the sleez. Both DB and I recognized your style.

I know that some folks on this board think some of the other folks are mentally challenged (and even say so), and some pitched battles rage which seem petty. But no one approaches a topic with your defensive take-no-prisoner attitiude. Again, that attitude is much more common on the sleez.

Anita's response is more common on this board (or at least a response to be emulated!). Note that she rarely calls anyone a communist, and even when CPR responds with a long, worthless, content-free copy of the RNC, she responds more in kindness than in kind.

Look, your style was just one of many on this board prior to Y2K. Those who admire your style moved to another board. Those who prefered the style prevalent on this board, moved here. After Y2K the number of posters and lurkers on both forums fell. In this thinner atmosphere, I fear your style will overwhelm the others.

Just as on the sleez, your style will antagonize others. Eventually, they will respond and the debate will become shrill. Eventually, only folks like yourself will inhabit this forum. Note that the 20 or so regular posters on sleez were (are?) rarely challenged anymore - I think because their animosity just overwhelmed rational debate. Their long, vicious attacks; their frequent use of 'disinformation'; their 'win at any cost' tactics; and their hate filled prose just drowned out all other discourse.

I am asking you to move your rancorous diatribes to the other board. Why does this board have to suffer the fate of the other?

-- FedUp (AsGood@sAnyoneElses.com), September 23, 2000.

To know me is to....ummmm, accept me. Golly, that sounds so bland.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 23, 2000.

Is that, "FedUp" or "StuckUp"? Just curious...

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), September 23, 2000.

I love you, Unk. However, I indiscriminately love everyone. Sorry.

-- helen (b@r.m), September 23, 2000.

Will continue!!!! Welcome! Or, at least, hello-long-time-no-see, as I have not seen you post here at the "spinoff" forum before!

OK, so I guess what FedUp and DB are trying to tell me is that I am out of style. That really, really hurts. Morons.

Meanwhile, back to more important stuff. Like ... fantasizing about Will continue and helen engaged in the womanly art of mudwrestling, their sleek bodies oiled, their passions inflamed, their pent up furies unleashed...

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 23, 2000.

Howdy, DB, Howzit going:

I have to agree with you, They sound alot like the team at EZboard. Words are identical. I guess that's why the election is going the way it is. Not many folks want to elect a Zog or an Invar.

If you haven't left, have a good time in Spain. Me, I am going to Germany.

Best wishes,,,,


-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), September 23, 2000.

"Will continue!!!! Welcome! Or, at least, hello-long-time-no-see, as I have not seen you post here at the "spinoff" forum before!"

That could explain at least one of the many anti-spinoff trolls we've had.

-- (smarty@wannabe.one), September 23, 2000.

For your information Mr. Smartypants, I sure as hell would not want to see INVAR elected either. Since I do not visit EZ I have not read ZOG's platform, so I must defer judgement.

Why is it that an opinon that does not embrace Al Bore's agenda is an invalid one?

BTW, the race is pretty much even, with a slight edge to Gore, an edge that is within the margin of error of most of the polls I have seen.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 23, 2000.

"That could explain at least one of the many anti-spinoff trolls we've had."

Ohhhh palease. I have NEVER posted using any handle other than my own. I like my style far too much to allow credit to be given to any other.

Howdy King! I've missed you terribly sweet-cheeks, you Latin LaLa. We moved back to Wyoming over a month ago and I finally got back online the day before yesterday. Just thought I'd drop in to see if Kenny and his favorite magazine (gilda centerfold? -shudder-) are still in the bathroom.....

I suspect Gore's been abusing his Mother-in-law's dog's vet prescriptions. Or maybe he suffered a lack of oxygen to the brain during his tongue-fest with Tippsie on stage (during their "quota convention"). If that thing was an accurate depiction of America...

grab your weapons and run for the hills! Wait a minute, that's EXACTLY what I did!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), September 23, 2000.

So now , U. De. has admitted that he is Invar. Where do we go from here in this discussion.

Truth is freedom.

-- Truth (Truth@truth.xyz), September 23, 2000.


Remedial reading programs are available at many public librarys. Also, Wal-Mart carries inexpensive reading glasses.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 23, 2000.

Truth, are you smoking crack or do you just have reading comprehension problems? Help is available for either one.

-- (DARE to@keep kids off.drugs), September 23, 2000.

Well in that case Will C, welcome back and pardon my faux pas. I'm putting down my gun if you will yours. Over reaction on my part.

Now I'm as confused as Truth. Unk, were you refering to Z as being Mr. Smartypants or me? If you were refering to Z, I'm hurt, I'm trying so hard to earn that title. If you were refering to me, then deary you should take your own advice and git yer butt to Wal-Mart.

-- (smarty@wannabe.one), September 23, 2000.


Smarty wannabe is not Mr. Smartypants. Mr. Smartypants, for the purpose of this discussion, is Z.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 23, 2000.

Off Topic: Al Gore created the internet...???

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Republicans pounce on Gore's claim that he created the Internet

Associated Press 4.23 p.m. ET (2124 GMT) March 11, 1999 By Michelle Mittelstadt,

WASHINGTON (AP)  Vice President Al Gore's claim that he is the father of the Internet drew amused protests Thursday from congressional Republicans.

House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, said that even under the time-honored tradition of politicians taking credit for everything, Gore's statement is an "outrageous claim.''

Gore, who is widely credited for coining the term "information superhighway,'' raised eyebrows with a pronouncement he made Tuesday during a CNN interview.

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet,'' he said when asked to cite accomplishments that separate him from another Democratic presidential hopeful, former Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey.

Apprised Thursday of the statement, Armey said: "I just have to tell you that I cracked up this morning over his contention.''

"If the vice president created the Internet, then I created the interstate highway system,'' he added.

Also tweaking Gore, the administration's point man on high-tech issues, was House Science Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., who issued a statement headlined, "I had no idea!''

"Vice President Gore taking credit for creating the Internet certainly gives new meaning to the term 'March madness,''' Sensenbrenner said in a jab at his one-time Science Committee colleague.

The Internet, originally called ARPANET, dates to 1969, when the Defense Department began funding the project. Gore, then 21, was still eight years away from joining Congress.

The vice president's spokesman, Chris Lehane, defended his boss's claim, saying Gore "was the leader in Congress on the connections between data transmission and computing power, what we today call information technology. And those efforts helped to create the Internet that we know today.''

Lehane was gleeful over Armey's reference to the interstate highway system, noting that Al Gore Sr.  during both his House and Senate tenures  shepherded passage of legislation creating a national highway network.

"In fact, his father's leadership on the interstate highway system served as the model for the vice president's vision for a network of data highways,'' Lehane said. "As for Congressman Armey, in his time in Congress, what he has created is division, divisiveness and partisan rancor but seemingly little else.''

I had no idea... Thank you Al Gore... I'll vote for you next time....


-- Saint Francis (STFrancis@heaven.com), March 11, 1999


Gore's claim that he is the father of the internet reminds me of Stalin's claims that Russia invented the telephone, airplane, and baseball.

I will accept his claim of parentage of the internet if he will also admit that he has done nothing to fix Y2K.

-- Gil Jackson (gil@aol.com), March 11, 1999.

Well, the Veep just said something which is infinitely more foolish than any spelling error that Dan Quayle ever made. Wonder what Vin Cerf, those wunnerful folks who were with the late, lamented Bellcore, and the more shadowy types at DARPA have to say about Mr. Gore's absurd statement...

Think we'll have any newspaper headlines or commentary about this? Thought not...

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.com), March 11, 1999.

Al Gore created the internet and his father created the interstate highway system? I always thought it was Eisenhower who created the interstate system. But I guess that I'm wrong and so is the sign along I-81 at the state line that talks about the "Eisenhower Interstate Highway system".

Maybe next week we'll hear how Gore's uncle and not Wehrner von Braun developed the Saturn V rockets for the Apollo missions. Maybe how Grampa Gore was the first to fly New York to Paris. Or of Great Grampa Gore exploring the first route across the Louisianna Purchase to the mouth of the Columbia River.


-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), March 11, 1999.

Didn't he also invent Gore-Tex?

-- lparks (lparks@eurekanet.com), March 11, 1999.

The two guys in Switzerland who invented teh packet technology that is the true basis for the ARPA and DARPA nets might have something to say.....


-- Chuck, a night driver (reinzoo@en.com), March 11, 1999.

Just for everyone's information, the official name for the interstate highway system at the time of its creation in the 1950's was the "Defense and Interstate Highway System". Its primary purpose was to facilitate the movement of troops and materiel in the event of war, specifically an invasion or civil uprising.

Nah, it can't happen here...

-- sparks (wireless@home.com), March 11, 1999.

Let me see if I have this straight...

The Vice President of the United States says he created the internet.

I assume this would be the same internet where the highest page views are sex sites and special cyber-swat teams exist to battle against cyber terrorists and child molestors. The same internet full of "crazies" (present company accepted).

And Mr. Al Gore is virtually assured of his party's nomination for the office of President of the United States. If elected, he would have control of the the world's most powerful nuclear arsenal and conduct foreign policy matters (requiring the ability to think and speak, in that order).

We're doomed.

-- PNG (png@gol.com), March 12, 1999.

Declan has an article out now about Gore's claim...



No Credit Where It's Due

by Declan McCullagh

3:00 a.m. 11.Mar.99.PST

WASHINGTON -- It's a time-honored tradition for presidential hopefuls to claim credit for other people's successes.

But Al Gore as the father of the Internet?

That's what the campaigner in chief told CNN's Wolf Blitzer during an interview Tuesday evening. Blitzer asked Gore how he was different than other presumptive Democratic challengers, such as Bill Bradley. "What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process?"

Replied Gore: "I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins, and it'll be comprehensive and sweeping, and I hope that it'll be compelling enough to draw people toward it.... I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years."

Then came the kicker: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."


Preliminary discussions of how the ARPANET would be designed began in 1967, and a request for proposals went out the following year. In 1969, the Defense Department commissioned the ARPANET.

Gore was 21-years-old at the time. He wasn't even done with law school at Vanderbilt University. It would be eight more years before Gore would be elected to the US House of Representatives as a freshman Democrat with scant experience in passing legislation, let alone ambitious proposals.


-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), March 13, 1999.

If you need a laugh, read this :-)

-- (someone@somewhere.com), March 13, 1999.


The clip is funny until you read the last line about. "...ideas that will take us back to the Dark Ages." sounds awfully ironic to me.

Gore's spokeperson returned that line over the Republican's jibes at Gore's Internet comments. But it sound like my view of Gore and Clinton's handling of Y2K. Sure hope it's just a case of my sensitivity being set too high this weekend.


-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), March 13, 1999.

Vice President Al Gore's claim that he is the father of the Internet

There's that IS word again. It's obvious to me that we all just don't understand the proper definitions. Think Newspeak.

--Greybear, who wanders where George Orwell is when you need him.

- Got Dictionaries?

-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), March 14, 1999.

-- ~~~~~~ (~~~~@~~~~.xcom), September 24, 2000.

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