Another question for all: Why is "mr:" Decker trying to "SANITIZE" the Doom/Pessimist side now? : LUSENET : TB2K spinoff uncensored : One Thread

THE DOOMERS........NEVER.........had a **legitimate position** in the Y2k debate.

It was all rhetoric built on "chain speculations" which turned out to be nothing but Quick Sand. By Summer,1999, the most pessimisic views were *dismissed* by NORMAL HUMANS.

Even "THE" Mr. Decker did that. SO NOW why does he try to suggest that Yourdon or any of the other DOOMERS TO THE END had ANY SORT OF A LEGITIMATE RIGHT.... TO BE DEBATED BY NORMAL PEOPLE????

The Recent addition by Decker of STRAW MAN THEORIES vis a vis the NON-DOOMERS suggests that he is playing another role which of course, begs more questions.

Not the least of all is why has he returned like a Yourdon time after time after he has said Good Bye so often? There are more questions I leave to others to post.

Just as I gave NO credence to the positions of North and Yourdon and "fans" prior to 1/1/2000, I now give NONE WHAT SO EVER to Decker's recent PUFFS OF STRAW.

-- cpr (, September 14, 2000


So there!

-- (, September 14, 2000.

I think you're getting to him Ken.

A year ago I ragged him about his y2k goblin hobby. He didn't like it then either. Different year, same hobby.

-- Carlos (, September 14, 2000.

I realize that you probably won't listen to this, but I feel I must try anyway. CPR, you are not a hero who has saved the country from the menace of the "doomers". There never was such a menace. It is completely imaginary. You are a real estate salesman with no "special powers". You are completely unimportant except to yourself and your friends, if you have any. Your delusions of grandeur and your delusions of persecution indicate that you are seriously ill and need help right away ... before you start acting out your fantasies in "real life" and hurt yourself or someone else. Please seek counseling immediately, for everyone's sake.

-- ABC (a@b.c), September 15, 2000.

" By Summer,1999, the most pessimisic views were *dismissed* by NORMAL HUMANS."

And by summer, 2000, Y2k was dismissed by NORMAL humans.

-- Anita (, September 15, 2000.

I forgot a few things in that last post, Charlie. *I* realize what you're getting at in this thread. You've already intimated that KOS is REALLY Gary North in disguise [on Poole's forum] and you're now trying to intimate that Ken Decker has some role to play in it all and you're trying [very hard, I admit] to figure out WHO HE IS in the scheme of Y2k.

The truth be told, Charlie, sometimes people are just people and posters are just normal people. Ken enjoyed the Y2k discussions. The stuff he posted on TBI went mostly unread by me. His background is economics, and my background in that subject is limited to one year at University; ergo his discussions never lifted my skirt. He returns to this forum on occasion because it still has TB in the name, and he enjoys the discussions to this day. I've seen the past posts by him, and I don't see anything different today than I saw then. He doesn't see any difference either.

ALL people have a right to be debated by "normal" people, Charlie.

-- Anita (, September 15, 2000.

WRONG.........ANITA "Earth Mother". Even the Christian Recons. from Rushdoony's side (Gary's estranged father in law) REFUSED to debate with North. Instead they merely wrote essays and white papers on why his position was wrong.

You will not see your alBore or Bush add Buchanan or the other FRINGE candidates to the Debates either.

So your "entitled to debate" position is NULL.

-- cpr (, September 15, 2000.

NULL? Okay, fair enough -- IF this forum were under YOUR control (which it isn't). I will assume, though, that we poor "non-empowered" types are free to think that YOU are an ASSHOLE. Or have you assumed the powers of diety now?

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), September 15, 2000.


Nice try, although I think doomed to failure. But look at it this way -- Da CreePeR can do less damage to society here than he could if he had no other outlet. Think of it as a public service to Dallas and the rest of humanity.

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), September 15, 2000.

Please read more carefully, Reuben. I have stated that the "doomers" had the right to express their ideas. Debate is a "right" in that two or more parties are free to express different ideas. No one was obligated to respond to the "doomer" arguments, but a few folks choose to enter the debate.

I have never suggested anyone was had to respond to Yourdon, North or any other doomsayer. In fact, the majority of Americans completely ignored the Y2K doomsayers... as is their right.

Describing anyone concerned about Y2K after the summer of 1999 as "not normal" is a groundless ad hominem attack. This like you, having no fear of spiders, saying that no "normal" person fears spiders. The fear of Y2K may not have been entirely rational or grounded in sound analysis, but it foolish and bigoted to say anyone who worried about Y2K was not "normal."

As for my presence on this forum, I owe you absolutely no explanation. Again, if you learn to read before leaping to conclusions, you'll find that I have not "said goodbye" to this forum, I simply expressed my opinion about the lack of interesting debate. Some people (perhaps wishfully) assumed this meant I was leaving. If you check the records, I did say goodbye to the old forum and never posted there again. I said I would never post on the "Y2K Prep" forum and I never did.

You react with consistency of all paranoids. Your opponents must be either idiots or on the payroll of some nefarious group. Sorry, Charlie, wrong again.

-- Ken Decker (, September 15, 2000.

I fail to see how either example you used applied to a public internet forum, Charlie. I'm sure Christian Reconstructionists apply their own standards to who is/is not to be included in discussions. The Presidential Debate Commission requires participants to pull 15% across a range of national surveys, so the decision on who is to participate is NOT in the hands of the my Gore or Bush.

-- Anita (, September 15, 2000.


Doesn't this bring back memories of Ray Totac [or something like that]? Remember how he followed us around on TBI asking from whom we were receiving renumeration to post?

-- Anita (, September 15, 2000.

"... ergo his discussions never lifted my skirt. "

Anita, I don't think I've ever heard that expression, but I promise to find a way to use it in conversation! > :)

-- helen (b@s.h), September 15, 2000.

Hey, KLAVIN WINNER DECKER: paranoid? PROVE IT. Or given your weird recent concoctions of brain farts, Prove you aren't a PAID SHILL.

Should be easy enough.

After all that was the standard tactic of the Doom Squads you continue to insist have a place at the table of normal discussions. But it must be true, associate with enough of them and all their "ways of thinking" must ooze into yours. Clearly you've given enough proof in your recent postings that osmosis of Doom works.


-- cpr (, September 15, 2000.

cpr talking about normal discussions.... something here just doesn't seem right.

Thanks for the *chuckle* chuckie!

-- (Sheeple@Greener.Pastures), September 15, 2000.


It's an ego issue. Reuben (or his pal pay) cannot accept anyone might disagree with them. Egads! Anyone who does not agree with Reuben must have the IQ of a turnip or be on the payroll of some evil organization. No sane person could ever disagree with the Debunker- in-Charge, a man who saved civilization from the evil doomsayers.


I will make the same offer I made last year. If you come to my neck of the woods, I'll show you my personal records. You can glance through my military files, employment records, tax returns, bank records, etc. (I will not give out copies, but you are free to examine these records in my office). I have never received a penny (or even encouragement) for my writings related to Y2K. I do realize that you are asking me to prove a negative. Even if you had the backbone, I'm sure you'd leave muttering about secret offshore accounts and double identities. I can never "prove" to you that I am not some secret doomsayer double agent... the proof I have is only enough to satisfy a rational person.

On a personal note, your behavior of late seems quite like borderline personality disorder. A common symptom of this disorder is the tendency to see other people as "for" or "against" you. For example, borderline cases can see good friend one moment, a hated enemy the next. During the entire Y2K, you have painted complex issues and people into simple black or white. This has become more strident of late.

When "Lady Logic" first arrived at TB 2000, I saw evidence of mental instability. As a compassionate person, I attempted speak with her, not as a raving maniac, but as a person. (This was not successful.) Despite your rather unpleasant persona, I feel I should extend you the same courtesy.

Your interest in Y2K appears more an obsession... and your primary emotion is anger. Y2K is over and the doomsayers have scattered to the four winds. While I can appreciate an interest in the subject, a constant state of rage after nine months does not strike me as particularly healthy. Personally, I have no idea who you are, but in the interest of general mental health, please consider taking a step (or two) back from the issue.

I doubt this will make any difference, but I feel compelled to treat you like a person... not an angry cartoon character.

-- Ken Decker (, September 15, 2000.

Hey Ken,

Want to check out what cpr really thinks of you. If you do, you may just want to follow this little link. You might find it interesting.

-- (NoName@Here.Now), September 15, 2000.

CPR THINKS I'M GARY NORTH???????!!!!!!!!! And this was WAY BEFORE he finally went completely bonkers????? (CPR that is. Not to rule out North, however.)

Anita, do you have a link to this? I'd LOVE to have yet a further example of CPR's looney-tooney "train of thoughts".

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 15, 2000.


Here is your NoName@Here.Now), September 15, 2000.


OOPS... here is your NoName@Here.Now), September 15, 2000.

KOS, just click on my name above, as it will take you to the page.

Teach me to link a page while talking to someone on the phone.

-- (NoName@Here.Now), September 15, 2000.

KOS, One more try!


-- (NoName@Here.Now), September 15, 2000.

Ah, how familiar this ground. Reuben speculates that my role at TB 2000 served the purposes of the evil dooomsayer overlords. My weak arguments were easily dismissed. My posts were rambling, incoherent and poorly structured. The outrage from the "doomers" was all a great act. Secretly, Russ Lipton and Diane Squire loved my pathetic attempts to defend the True Faith. Yes... if only the Mighty Reuben had been willing to lower himself into the muck of TB 2000, only then would the rabble have seen the true glory and power of THE DEBUNKER unleashed. (hard laughter)

This gem should any doubts about Reuben's delusions. Reuben is the intellectual twin of "Ray" from the old TB 2000. I hope they can share a room in the asylum.

-- Ken Decker (, September 15, 2000.

OK, I think I've got the hang of CPR's twisted mind. It's going like this...

KOS is really ... Gary North

Ken Decker is really ... Ed Yourdon

Doc Paulie is really ... Michael Hyatt

which only leaves

Cherri is really ... Paula Gordon!!!



-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 15, 2000.

{This has got to be one of the most surreal experiences of my entire life}.

-- flora (***@__._), September 15, 2000.

Why is "mr:" Decker trying to "SANITIZE" the Doom/Pessimist side now?

Maybe he's just trying to get you out of the mud, CPR...

-- A word (to@the.wise), September 18, 2000.

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