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GET THE MESSAGE NOW:

THERE WAS NO "DEBATE" WITH THE DOOMERS

SHOCKING ISN'T IT??

ALL THAT WAS NECESSARY WAS TO POST THEIR OWN WORDS AND LET ***NORMAL PEOPLE READ THEM****.

THAT..........OBVIOUSLY........BYPASSED YOU SOMEHOW.



-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 14, 2000

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THAT'S THE PART YOU MISSED ALL ALONG BECAUSE;......YOU......COULDN'T READ THE "SOURCE MATERIAL" ON THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF Y2K.

THAT OF COURSE PUTS YOU IN GOOD COMPANY WITH THE REST OF THE **LIBERAL ARTS MAJORS** TRYING TO "INTERPRET" TECHNOLOGY AND BS..ING THE WORLD THAT **YOU** ARE "GENERALISTS*.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 14, 2000.


I realize that you probably won't listen to this, but I feel I must try anyway. CPR, you are not a hero who has saved the country from the menace of the "doomers". There never was such a menace. It is completely imaginary. You are a real estate salesman with no "special powers". You are completely unimportant except to yourself and your friends, if you have any. Your delusions of grandeur and your delusions of persecution indicate that you are seriously ill and need help right away ... before you start acting out your fantasies in "real life" and hurt yourself or someone else. Please seek counseling immediately, for everyone's sake.

-- ABC (a@b.c), September 14, 2000.

ABC........go get a lawyer and set up "partnership agreements" with "cyber fraud" then OFFER YOUR ANALYSIS TO THE MARKET PLACE FOR MONEY.

It is a common "dirty trick" of political operatives to suggest that opponents are unstable. It undid Tom Eagleton many years ago. Since you choose to be "Anonymous" I must ask: WHAT COLOR IS YOUR SHEET?

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 15, 2000.


THERE WAS NO "DEBATE" WITH THE DOOMERS

SHOCKING ISN'T IT??

ALL THAT WAS NECESSARY WAS TO POST THEIR OWN WORDS AND LET ***NORMAL PEOPLE READ THEM****.

I just had a realization. I think I know what's going on with cpr.

Getting doomers on TB I the highest quality information possible about y2k was never a high priority for cpr. In fact, cpr recently explained it this way --

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=003S81

As for "frothings", since the early days of BIFFY, everything was done to evoke exactly the reaction I wanted. I.E.: to incite and infuritate the assorted pressure group leaders of Y2k BULLSHIT.

Notice again what cpr said at the beginning of this thread --

ALL THAT WAS NECESSARY WAS TO POST THEIR OWN WORDS AND LET ***NORMAL PEOPLE READ THEM****.

What I think happened is in order to convince y2k speakers like Peter de Jager they did not need to raise awareness about y2k any further, cpr began collecting statements by those who were starting to treat y2k as a survivalist issue. These collected statements would show the de Jager's of y2k the danger of continued cautionary talk about y2k and might even persuade them to say some optimistic words about the subject.

These collected statements on y2k were originally the most extreme ones cpr could find, and he sent them to newspapers hoping editors would understand it was now their obligation to reassure the public. Cpr was never interested in a fact-based debate about y2k; he wanted to infuriate people who prepared for y2k so he could show others how much extremism was connected with y2k.

Fast forward to 2000.

People who prepared for y2k find out they didn't need to. Cpr takes his files on people and begins posting them on this forum. At first he gets many compliments from those who had joined his cause. But then a problem develops.

Cpr reaches a point where he has said everything he can possibly say about y2k and has already commented on what he considers to be the juiciest examples of y2k extremism. Andy Ray reached this point a few months ago and began receiving more criticism than before because the juicier quotes were used up and Andy was more and more quoting individuals who never had been in a position to cause the public panic about y2k.

Fortunately, Andy Ray had the sense to stop.

Running low on 'juicy' material is one reason cpr is getting more criticism. The other reason is the seemingly unending rudeness from him--his incite and infuriate mode which now seems to be permanently on. Unfortunately, cpr is interpreting this increasing criticism of him as either proof the y2k meme Gary North started is still alive, or that his theory Ed Yourdon had paid shills is true and they're behind the criticism.

I can understand cpr not liking Gary North. I can understand that cpr was trying to prevent a panic he thought was possible. The time of possible panic is now over though. There are no more de Jager's and newspaper editors who need to be convinced in order to prevent panic. It's September, 2000.

Cpr, y2k is really and truly over. Be yourself. You can turn off your incite and infuriate mode now. Talk to us as you would to people at social functions you attend.

Remember, we all didn't sell our homes, quit our jobs and build a bunker out in the middle of nowhere. In fact, few of us did. It's time you acknowledge these things and move on. Most of us have known for months that y2k is over and have moved on ourselves.

-- a (voice@of.reason), September 15, 2000.


Mr. Reuben is subject to his own claim. My one direct email attempt to offer a response to one his accusations came back with this simple but pointed reply:

"I don't have time for the likes of you. Don't ever email me again!!"

Shocking. Isn't it?

-- Buster Collins (Hiway441@aol.com), September 15, 2000.



What "a voice of reason" says is right on the money.

I think that a couple, at least, of his polly associates share blame for cpr's becoming what he is today. In the past, cpr has been sensible at times, and at other times been crazy as a coot, but Doc Paulie and especially Louis have been his enthusiastic cheering section no matter what he has said.

-- Peter Errington (petere@ricochet.net), September 15, 2000.


I agree, in part. Some serious doomsayers shot themselves in the foot on a routine basis. Of course, this behavior was not confined to the doomers. Ironically, Reuben's over-the-top rhetoric did little to help his credibility. Fortunately, very few were reading his work.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@att.net), September 15, 2000.

I ALSO AVOID "debating" with:

1. Sidewalk Street preachers wearing Sandwich board signs proclaiming "Repent, the End is Near" .

2. Irrational people "debating" propaganda as "fact"

3. Propagandists demanding they have "peer status" with ME and.

4. SHILLS AND DUPES of Propagandists and those with not-so-hidden agendas or financial interests who DEMAND I give them "equal status".

IF that is YOU, ESAD in USMC talk the Navy doesn't allow.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 15, 2000.


And "Buster Collins", what made you think for one second that CPR owed you a private correspondence or even a reply??

I have looked at my books and somehow, I can't find a paycheck from you. In short, I DID NOT **OWE** you even a "remove" in the subject line.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 15, 2000.


Cpr, y2k is really and truly over. Be yourself. You can turn off your incite and infuriate mode now. Talk to us as you would to people at social functions you attend. .....................

The kind of people at the social and business functions I attend

are still laughing themselves silly at the Y2k pessimists and doom idiots JUST LIKE I DO.



-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 15, 2000.


"Cpr, y2k is really and truly over. Be yourself. You can turn off your incite and infuriate mode now. Talk to us as you would to people at social functions you attend."

Cpr, talk to us like your going to sell us a piece of real estate. Are you a man that can be trusted? You sound like you would sell someone an island that doesn't exist.

-- Double Take (doubletake@doubletakeee.com), September 15, 2000.


"The kind of people at the social and business functions I attend are still laughing themselves silly at the Y2k pessimists and doom idiots JUST LIKE I DO."

CPR attends his social and business functions at the Texas State Mental Ward. He seems to have a reality check problem. Delusional is how I see him.

-- 1234567890 (12345@123455.com), September 15, 2000.


Guess the KLAVIN WINNER Decker didn't like this one either.

http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-post-reply-form.tcl

WHY is he "picking his spots" to post?? I know he didn't like this thread:

LINK

http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=003oFB

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 15, 2000.

In my opinion, this analysis says it all.

Cpr takes his files on people and begins posting them on this forum. At first he gets many compliments from those who had joined his cause. But then a problem develops.

Cpr reaches a point where he has said everything he can possibly say about y2k and has already commented on what he considers to be the juiciest examples of y2k extremism. Andy Ray reached this point a few months ago and began receiving more criticism than before because the juicier quotes were used up and Andy was more and more quoting individuals who never had been in a position to cause public panic about y2k.

Fortunately, Andy Ray had the sense to stop.

Running low on 'juicy' material is one reason cpr is getting more criticism. The other reason is the seemingly unending rudeness from him--his incite and infuriate mode which now seems to be permanently on. Unfortunately, cpr is interpreting this increasing criticism of him as either proof the y2k meme Gary North started is still alive, or that his theory Ed Yourdon had paid shills is true and they're behind the criticism.

Ignore at your own risk, CPR, or the hole you're digging for yourself will get deeper and deeper.

-- (Y2K@is.over), September 15, 2000.


Let me rephrase that. Ignore at your own risk, CPR. The hole you're digging for yourself is getting deeper and deeper.

-- (Y2K@is.over), September 15, 2000.


That is because, Mr. Reuben, you don't know who I am. And that is what should concern you.

-- Buster Collins (Hiway441@aol.com), September 15, 2000.

You'll probably blow this off, but you should be concerned, because I've got your number. I told you who to talk to, but you didn't. You blew me off then like you'll porbably do now.

Your inconherent arguments have always been your downfall. The fact that you were right was purely luck. But that's okay. I always wanted you to be right.

But since you are so fond of your "records", look through them and see if you can figure out who I really am. You seem to have nothing else to do since you spend ours revelling here in your past glory. So have at it, if you have a brain.

-- Buster Collins (Hiway441@aol.com), September 16, 2000.


Not a Ghost of a Chance.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 16, 2000.

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Yikes! Bruce Webster considered a Polly (of sorts)? If Bruce is in any part of the Polly-camp, then it's getting rather large, and thusly narrowing the doomer's range. You'd better add Ed Yardeni as well.
 
Yardeni's parting statment on "CNN's Moneyline" that Y2k would be "more or less over" by the end of 2000.
 
Now I suppose you could argue that Y2k will have done it's damage by year-end 2000, thus throwing us into a post-Y2k state, but since Yardeni is still speculating about the Dow being at 15,000 by mid-next decade, I doubt that would be a correct interpretation.
 
Yardeni obviously does not offer the absolutism of a true-Y2k skeptic, but evidently he is now a polly by his statements based on Cory' definition.
 
Wither the middle ground for lack of identity. 
The lack of Absolute Pollys on the Internet does not in itself confirm it as minority viewpoint.  If they are comfortable in their belief that Y2k does not represent a significant danger, then why spend their time trying to convince people otherwise, at least on the Internet?
 
While I embrace neither the AP or AD (Absolute Doomer) positions, I can certainly see why the AD's have the vocal majority on the Internet.
 
As for the withering middle, maybe call us "AUs", for Absolutely Unsure. Now, would Cory fall into that camp?