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Notice on the news that the democrets are introducing legislation to jerk the Boy Scouts charter 'cause they want let queers be part of their organization. But what else could you expect of those liberal b-=-tids?

-- BillyB (, September 12, 2000


It's part of this "tolerance" we keep hearing about. I always think of tolerence as being considerate of others who may be different. But to the liberals tolerance means accepting as normal and encouraging things that are immoral and illegal. It's like the liberals want us to be tolerant to people who murder children. An example. I worked with a very sweet but very brainwashed liberal lady a few years ago. When she read in the paper about a creature in a Dallas suburb who kidnapped, raped and murdered a little 9-year-old girl and that the guy was under indictment for other sex crimes against children, she said "Why don't they get that guy in counseling". That made me mad and I said, "Why don't they kill the bas__rd!"

-- Joe Cole (, September 13, 2000.

Wonder what people would do if the world was all sunshine and roses and sweetness because everyone "tolerated" everyone and everything (not including God)? Do you suppose it would be what all these "wonderful" and "beautiful" people think it would be? Skippping along, smiling, finding their beautiful spirits and wallowing in the warm fuzzies? Or do you suppose it would be full of skin cancer, thorns and cavities?

-- Cindy (, September 13, 2000.

"Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions."-G.K. Chesterton

-- William in WI (, September 13, 2000.

Those liberals, I've found, are oh-so tolerant; until you have the audacity to disagree with them!

-- Rebekah (, September 13, 2000.

Those liberals, I've found, are oh-so tolerant; until you have the audacity to disagree with them!

-- Rebekah (, September 13, 2000.

So true, Rebekah, so true.

-- Rags in Alabama (, September 13, 2000.

Hey now - I'm fairly liberal and I tolerate y'all just fine. If you all agreed with me it'd be scary!!! Besides, how can I figure out just how wrongheaded you Hangim' High Conservatives are if I don't listen to y'all rant for a while?!? LOL!!

-- Soni (, September 13, 2000.

Soni,hangem high doesn't work goin back to public cruxifixion(the slow kind) quit being nice,I hate it when I find out i've been likin one of you people!

-- BillyB (, September 14, 2000.

BillyB: I won't tell if you won't!!! If my friends ever find out I'm associating with known Republicans, they'll confiscate my black turtlenecks and patchuli. Tell ya what, if we meet in public you just glare reproachfully and I'll smirk condecendingly. Hopefully, we won't blow our covers by being seen discussing composting techniques over homegrown hwerbal tea! LOL

-- Soni (, September 14, 2000.


-- BillyB (, September 14, 2000.

Soni - your liberalism is quite comparable to Attila the Hun! You may be embarassed by this, but you are a thinking, logical person, hence your divergence from the liberal, nay, socialist, democrats. Stay with it! One day we will wrest control from the commies. If I sound like a right wing conspiratist, I am not. I am a Libertarian, and scared sh**less of the likes of the inventor of the internet. While I do not embrace all of the ideas of the Republicans in this race, I see no other choice for thinking folks from beyond the sidewalks. Sadly, "thinking" folks are not yet a majority! GL!

-- Brad (, September 15, 2000.

I'm proud to have my liberalism compared to old Timogen himself: he was the first mongol invading commander to ever get that far in known history and only his death stopped the advance (the tribesmen all had to meet, back home , to name his successor. Once again, progress had been halted by old, outdated traditions. His planned growth initiatives were exceedingly liberal and far reaching for his day, much as Napolean's and Cortez's were in their days. Scary liberal, to the sheep behind them, who all nonetheless had noooo trouble whatsoever taking their share of the goods, as is usually the case. As for me, I'm going for the protest vote of John Hagelin, not in the hopes of winning, but in the satisfaction of adding one more vote's worth of credibility to third parties everywhere.

-- Soni (, September 15, 2000.

". . . not in the hopes of winning, but in the satisfaction of adding one more vote's worth of credibility to third parties everywhere."

I agree with you absolutely, and thank you for giving me that phrase to use on those who say I am "wasting" my vote! ;-) Joy

-- Joy Froelich (, September 16, 2000.

Joy,your wasting your vote,won't be but two parties there in Nov. and a vote for Ross Perot is a vote for bill clinton. Don't let that silver tongue DEVIL Soni talk you into anything ,but just in case you can't help yourselves,send your money to the Lord in care of BillyB- He done told me what to do with it.

-- BillyB (, September 16, 2000.

Joy and Soni, BillyB is right you will be waisting your vote and it will not give anything to a third party. We do need one because neither of the two bigs ones we have represent us anymore. I believe however we will have to start at the city, county, and state levels and build our ranks strong there before we will be able to be a real force or serious contender at the national level. Just my 2 cents worth. Herb.

-- Herb. (, September 17, 2000.

Joy - You're welcome.

Herb - we are starting small, also. The Natural Law Party already has numerous state and local elections either already won, or as close to sewn up as an unpredictably volatile free election will allow. Trickle up will have an effect over time.

BillyB - Remember, when you talk to the Lord, its prayer; when S/He talks to you, its schizophrenia.

-- Soni (, September 17, 2000.

Soni,that little arrow got me right in the heart--oops,missed- forgot that us conservatives don't have a heart. But you Libertarians/third party do have a decided lack of infrastructure for me to come down with a bad case of warm fuzzies and vote for one for POTUS

-- BillyB (, September 17, 2000.

Gee, now I am really confused! I wasn't even aware that Ross Perot or Bill Clinton were running for election! Wait! Bill can't, his two terms are up! Slip into a time warp, did ya, BillyB?

I am voting for the third party candidate of MY choice. I'd like to see the "none of the above" one gentlemen (Craig maybe?) mentioned in another thread, but until that happens, or we are given a major party candidate that I feel is worth giving my vote -- I'll be voting third party.

Herb, I'd like to see us/U.S. have three parties, and I would prefer that those three NOT include Republicans or Democrats, at least as they currently exist!

I seem to be in a feisty mood today -- usually I just lay low and read these posts. Maybe it's because I just yesterday discovered Granny D. Here is a quote from one of her speeches: "But there are two things I would like you to understand about impossible missions. One is the fact that, sometimes, all you can do is put your body in front of a problem and stand there as a witness to it. That is part of healing because it is not denial of the problem, and our individual conscious mind is part of the larger conscious mind of society. What you think and how you think does affect the world, and your actions do matter.

Never be discouraged from being an activist because people tell you that you'll not succeed. You have already succeeded if you're out there representing truth or justice or compassion or fairness or love. You already have your victory because you have changed the world; you have changed the status quo by you; you have changed the chemistry of things and changes will spread from you, will be easier to happen again in others because of you, because, believe it or not, you are the center of the world.

There is a second thing you need to know about impossible causes and it is this: there are no impossible causes on this earth if they are good causes. We can do anything together, and we really do remarkable things. We will cure cancer most certainly because people like you walk through the night to make it so. We have nearly eradicated polio woldwide, we have actually cured smallpox, we are curing many of the diseases --the cures for which were thought impossible dreams a short time ago.

My dream of political reform will come true. I may live to see it from this side of life, or I will smile to see it from the other side. But it will happen. It will happen because people love this country so, and this democracy so, and because they have given their sons and daughters and the best years of their own lives to defend it. They will not let it be destroyed before their eyes by these obscene floods of special-interest money that come into our elections from big business. I know we will end that outrage and we will be able to run our communities and our nation to look after the interests of the common people, for that is what a democracy is all about."

The entire speech can be read at: The Center of the World

Granny or no, my mind was already made up on how to vote, and no one is going to change it, no matter how many times I get told I am wasting my vote. I was merely appreciating Soni's turn of phrase, and planning to use it in the (faint) hope that I might change someone else's mind. Thanks again Soni.

-- Joy Froelich (, September 17, 2000.

Joy,I'm not trying to get you to change your vote,Im just saying that your wasting it. And when your guy gets his four or seven percent,that doesn't make the other ninety plus percent of us the nuts. I'm probabaly more libertarian than all of you,Idon't want a federal gov. for any thing except protecting the shores of these here United States,making sure my Tx. drivers license is good in other states and insuring the free flow of oil at market prices. I sure don't want them educating my kids and it rattles my bones when any little memo that crosses the desk of a third rate functionary in the EPA,or other alphabet agency,becoming the de facto law of the land. But keep up the good work,sure would be dull without you,and by the way I am a time warp.

-- BillyB (, September 17, 2000.

Hmmmmm, I'm not sure about that second sentence -- can't decide if you're calling me nuts, or not. Never mind, doesn't matter.

I think the percentage of people voting for one of the two major candidates is likely to be less than 90%, maybe more like 80%, but for the sake of discussion, let's say that 90% is correct. That 90% is of the people who actually voted, not of the people actually eligible to vote. Out of all the eligibles, it varies between about 30-55% who actually go out and vote.

Presumably most of those "missing in action" aren't voting because they don't like the major candidates (I'm sure that isn't the reason for all the non-voters). But if the 40-60 percent who aren't voting would go out and "make a statement" by voting for any third party candidate, it would be a big statement!

Now, do I think they're going to do that? No, not really, but I prefer to be hopeful. And if I don't step forward and do it, how can I expect anyone else to do it for me? No one wants to be out there by themselves looking like a fool? Oh well, I don't mind.

Hey, I'm proof that the disaffected can wake up and pay attention -- I didn't really think about things like this until about 8 years ago. Just sat around an groused about how lousy the candidates were and how smarmy and duplicitous the political parties were. Of course, I still do that, but now I also study the issues and the positions and I go vote!

-- Joy Froelich (, September 18, 2000.

I say we all gang up and make BillyB run for president, whether he likes it or not!! LOL IMHO, election by lottery sounds good. All eligible folk stand a chance of being called to lead for one term, like it or not, a la jury duty. That'd stir things up!!

-- Soni (, September 18, 2000.

Joy,I know you're a hundred percent right about our choices really suck, but month after next,they do be all we got-I'm to old for your experimentin, I'd rather have the whacko that I know how he'll screw up. I think I told you to go for it,or kinda meaning to without getting caught by the conscience police agreeing with you. Soni, I'm really holding out for KING of the WORLD,if Jesse Ventura don't get it first of course.

-- BillyB (, September 18, 2000.

I read in the Ft. Worth paper Sunday that in Texas there are more Libertarians running for Texas seats against Republicans than there are Democrats running. It said the Democrats know they can't win so are not wasting that money and are giving it to the party to push al gore and the Libertarians know that they can't win either but at least they've got the guts to run.

By the way, I keep hearing that a lot of women who had planned to vote for W. Bush changed their minds and are now going to vote for al gore because they saw him kiss his wife on TV at their convention. Are the women of this country really that stupid and shallow? I always gave our women a little more credit than that. Was I wrong? The TV media, which is just al gore's campaign workers, seems to say I'm wrong.

-- Joe Cole (, September 19, 2000.

Joe,are you sitting down? I've got some really sad news for you. That boobtube is the only place 98% of people get any information,and like my mom-in-law says "They couldn't put it on T.V. if it wasn't true." Are you implying those sweet young ladies change their minds for no appearent reasonable reason? I'm glad that I don't have your email address,you fixin to get hit hard! All the Democrats That I do see running ads here in east Tx. seem to be trying real hard to let us know that they're conservatives. If the libertarians would run a collective campaign for four years instead of always seeming to be right at the last min.,and build up their credibility a bit,they could be a force to be reckoned with maybe generation after next. I'll get out of here and let you go find your hard hat.

-- BillyB (, September 19, 2000.

Why worry about the charter. It was a honorary thing. It had no binding powers.

-- Gary (, September 19, 2000.

It would be nice to have on the ballot a "NON OF THE ABOVE"

-- John Maughan (, September 19, 2000.

It's not the charter,it"s the moral decay of this nation. John, just stay home and yours will be counted as none of the above

-- BillyB (, September 19, 2000.

Joe & BillyB - Yikes, did you really SAY that?!!he-he! IF it is true, (I tend to believe it is), you may kiss goodbye (officially) our freedoms. Ever heard of Neil Bortz? (Talk Radio guy). A while back, before the Kiss, he offered that women vote towards security & safety (gov't assuming the role of husband/father) while men vote towards freedom. He offered that this is a major reason we are seeing the erosion of our rights (in the name of safety). You know, women being caretakers and men being hunter/gatherer types, it is naturally built in. Not a deliberate, thought out choice. More a reaction. He suggested perhaps women having been given the right to vote was not the best idea in world. (EEEGADS! I can hear the outrage as I type).

His analysis was much more in depth and he offered excellent arguments to make his case that I am not able to cover here. But I did want to throw it out for consideration & contemplation. If the KISS did indeed sway women, in ANY way, towards Algore.... I shudder at what awaits us in the form of government we may look forward to. By the way, I are a woman & I do vote (and relish the right to do so). BUT, am sorely persuaded Mr. Neil Bortz has a valid point.

By the way, lest anyone think this is said in regards to ALL women, pleease...... we know who we are. We also know that the right given to women to vote will not vanish, so we can have some fun with this.....ok?...maybe? nice, at least? I'll be running for cover now...Bye Wendy

-- Wendy@GraceAcres (, September 20, 2000.

Wendy, I wish that you hsd started a new thread with that one-no one is going to see it over here in the old topics. But maybe we'd better not even go there,you know how ya'll get when you start thinking that we're making fun of your reasoning abilities.LOL

-- BillyB (, September 20, 2000.

Hey BillyB, think I ought to risk it? Might be kinda fun?! I'll defer to your judgement. Will check back later for your recommendation! God Bless! Wendy

-- Wendy@GraceAcres (, September 20, 2000.

Wendy,we'd use up way to much band space with you and soni and sheepish and a few others -but,your radio guy was right,that's why it's starting to be called "the soccer mom vote".But if ya got the nerve,go tell them that me and Joe been picking on ya and that you need help.

-- BillyB (, September 20, 2000.

BillyB, yea, your probably right. Besides don't think I have the time for all the "rebukes" right now. Maybe another time? Still tho, it is an interesting concept and the polls seem to be proving the point. I'll gaurd my sensibilities lest you and that mean ole' Joe keep pickin on us ladies, he-he! Altho I do admit it is nice to see a few men willing to pick up on this rather obvious trend......God Bless! Wendy

-- Wendy@GraceAcres (, September 21, 2000.

HEY! You guys had all the bandwidth for SIX whole days without me!!! AND I have been working non-stop til way after dark these days and only checking in once or twice a day! :) Hope you have enjoyed it!

-- sheepish (, September 22, 2000.

Who could have possibly guessed that Billy Bob was in East Texas! And yes Joe, if AL wins it could only be because us women saw the kiss and don't have any sense to listen to the issues and make up our little minds ourselves!

BillyB back to your original homophobic question, why should the Boy Scouts be allowed to discriminate against a child or adult leader for his religion, (and they do, because when you sign up you swear to an oath of a belief in God, not Allah or Mohammad or Buddah etc) sexual preference, little gay boys and girls come from heterosexual parents, 18 years of growing up in a heterosexual family, all that being around all that herosexuality :) shouldn't it automatically make you into a heterosexual, you think meetings every Wednesday learning how to tie knots by a gay scoutleader is going to rub off and turn you gay? You don't want the government to teach your children, yet very few of us in this country homeschool, no churces in my area of East Texas are supporting any elderly, paying utility bills, or perscription drugs for the elderly in our area. Without Financial Aid through the government I doubt that the majoritiy of kids would ever be able to go to college, you going to pay for that also? What about all these babies that will be born without abortion, you going to pay for all of that also, no government birth control handouts of course?

Once again all humans have to exist besides us who are beyond the sidewalks, how uncompassionate it is to not look outside our own little worlds. Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh (, September 22, 2000.

Golly gee-we still posting over here in this ancient thread? Sheepish, you need to get out more often.LOL Vicki, back in oh? 55 or 57 we had one of those in a local scout troop, and he did a lot more than rub off on the boys.It was really nasty. His family left town of course, and he went to prison for something like life. Of course that was back in the mean 'ol days befor saying "I'm sorry and it won't happen again" was a legal defense. As for the rest of your post, since the mid 60's we've chunked over a TRILLION dollars down that bottomless pit that Lyndon Johnson called the great society("remember,it's not a hand out, it's a hand up") always managing to keep it just high enuff that you can't do without it long enough to get a job and try to pull yourself up.And you can get all the abortions you want,I know that teaching kids abstinence and responsibility these days is impossible,just don't get in my face and try to convince me that you're not murdering a bitty baby. But more money hasn't fixed any of the problems since we've done away with holding people responsible for some of their own actions. And with medicaid and medicare now available,isn't it amazing how much longer you stay sick and how many more test and lab work and length of time you can spend in the hospital? And all the money that's gone into H.U.D., it's amazing that there's a homeless person anywhere in the world much less in the good 'ol U.S. I am never ceased to be amazed that my thinking the current welfare state is a fraud and a rackett equates to my not caring about people. But you know how us old farts are.

-- BillyB (, September 22, 2000.

"We had one of those," BillyBob you talking about a gay adult leader that turned the whole troop gay, (NOT) or you talking about the thousands of white male pedifiles out there preying on all ages and sexs of children. Give us a solution instead of government programs. There simply are so few folks stepping up to the plate, voting, adoption, community service, volunterring. You can blame your not having the ability for change, compassion, bigotry, homophobia on many things, but to blame them on your age? This has nothing to do with the politics that this thread steered towards, this simply has to do with intollerance, you have made yourself abundantly clear with your views on this thread and the other on Prejudice, the other gals may choose to just pat you on the head until you go away, I intend to swat you on the nose with a rolled up newpaper any chance I get. And if Joel needs any help....... Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh (, September 22, 2000.

BillyB, don't you know the times we live in? Geesh, mighty mean of you to suggest such things! You must remember it is the intent, not the results that matter! At least we are doing something..... no matter the outcome of our "help".

You do have a way with words, but I, like Darrel (I think) on the other thread, tend to think it is less prejudice and more frustration at being beat over the head with the politically correct crowds' rhetoric! If I am wrong, I'll accept that my judgement was sorely lacking and beat myself with a newspaper.

That you believe the Boy Scouts is not the proper place for role/model leaders, who are male homosexuals, to be given authority over young boys, to mold and train and teach, seems so obvious as to be redundant!! Ah, but lest I forget the times we are in!!

For those of you who automatically label me a homophobe (sp), then please also give me a label for the following. I would also not support a known adulterer, thief, liar, etc... These people are in a position of Authority, with all the moral considerations therein. Does this imply I believe homosexuality is immoral? Yes. Does it mean I hate? No. Am I just ignorant and need to be "educated" to better understand the lifestyle? No. We each make our own choices regarding what we do with our thoughts, feelings, impulses, etc... That is indeed not mine to judge. It becomes mine to judge when it moves into the political, religious, or private organizations arena. Then, to cower under the "thought police" and submit to the "proper order" of thinking, is akin to surrender.

I found it interesting that ONLY "white, male pedophiles" were mentioned. Now, I will grant you the majority of pedophiles are indeed white & male. But pleeeasee, I'd just be willing to bet there have been other pedophiles that were/are "other" than white.

Hey Billyb, you may need to reign in that "alpha male" side of you lest you overwhelm us. You white male types are under fire and are in great need of "reconditioning"! Why, I always believed it was impolite for a lady to threaten physical violence on a man, as he is then in the rather precarious postition of being accused of being an abuser if he responds and a wimp if he chooses the higher road. Alas, I am glad I am of the female persuasion and thus one of the "protected". Course, I suppose my bible believing, stay at home - homeschooling mom, support & encourage my precious husband status may disqualify me.... oh well, I'll console myself with the fact I am in good company!! God Bless! Wendy

-- Wendy@GraceAcres (, September 23, 2000.

Wendy, thanks for the update on the times we're living in ,and God knows that being one of those crazy ex-green berets out of 'nam 30 something years ago, that alpha-male does tend to get loose more times than is probably good for me or any one in the near vicinity.But, i've finally figured it out-I can't believe that I didn't see it before. According to Vickie, we just have to be tolerent of everyone,except for people like me that disagree with people like her. I can't believe that I just didn't understand that. All I have to do is AGREE with HER. Silly me,thinking that I had a right to my OWN opinion and observations. Her bud can curse me and my family(with my wife in the hosp.) but that's O.K. 'cause he AGREES with HER. So all we have to do to keep from getting swatted on the nose by a liberal nazi is AGREE with HER. Hell, it's even starting to sound fair now that I think about it. I won't even have to check these silly posts anymore,just e-mail her to find out what I think, because I know that on my own,I'll never be able to AGREE with HER.And we don't even have to think for ourselves because there is a perfectly good liberal agenda out there that's inclusive and tolerent of everybody,except for people like me,that don't AGREE with people like HER. I think that I'm done with this, I'm going over to Atlantis Rising to make sure that the pyramids haven't moved . All ya'll be careful that you don't get swatted on the nose,it's really very simple,just AGREEwith HER.

-- BillyB (, September 23, 2000.

BillyB, hope you mean your done with this thread and not the whole forum! Seems to me you use the absurd to point out the absurdity, or something like that. Now I am really curious!! Either which way, I certainly don't expect to agree with everyone on everything! The "Thought Police" have not won yet, don't throw in the towel before the battle has been officially declared......

Hope to see you around the forum somewhere and I was sorry to read about your wife's hospital stay. I pray all is well with you both and will pray for your wife's recovery! God Bless! Wendy

-- Wendy@GraceAcres (, September 24, 2000.

God's blessing on you BillyB and best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery for your wife. Don't let Jezebel&Co. get you down-- you seem to get flamed more than I do. Well, the Liberal/Nazis have taken away my profession, blackballed me from ever teaching again, and sent me down to Burgerworld and the $5/hr funhouse, but I'm still breathing(and VOTING) and remember "They may kill you, but they can't EAT you."

And you are dead right: liberals are all for free speech as long as it is THEIR speech; and everyone has a right to THEIR opinions.

-- Rags in Alabama (, September 25, 2000.

Rags, would you explain your post? Why was your profession taken away, and why were you blackballed from teaching again? And if you are a teacher, and a Christian, and were blackballed from the public schools, remember that there are lots of Christian schools begging for good teachers. They usually can't pay as much as the public schools do, but most of them pay better than a fast-food joint!

-- Kathleen Sanderson (, September 25, 2000.

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