The truly disgusting aspect of Clinton-Monica : LUSENET : TB2K spinoff uncensored : One Thread

The most disgusting aspect IMHO is the fact that Clinton and his people mounted a "nuts and sluts" campaign against Monica (in other words, don't believe what that crazy woman is saying). This has been confirmed by several people including Senator Diane Feinstein of California.

Of course this effort collapsed with the emergence of the dress.

-- Peter Errington (, August 13, 2000


No, I think the most disgusting part was listening to the hypocritcal right-wingers all over the media for the last 3 years, and people like you can't give it a rest.

-- (, August 13, 2000.

No, Erringboy is right again. That makes twice in less than a week and almost incredibel feat for one so slow.

It is NO SECRET that every effort was made to tar Ms. Monica as a Hester Prynne. That was S.O.P. for the "Staff" who also did the same to Ms. Paula of Jones and other ladies who saw a side of the Leader of the Free World they were not supposed to see (whether privately or in public though one must suspect they saw his privates in private).

This is not to say that some of the FILTH that the Far Fringe Right used against the *real* Leader of the Free World and her husband were not something to be proud of.

Hints of "open marriage" and the Wannabee Senator's sexual preferences without one iota of truth behind them should have been denounced for what they were: dirty pool.

Still nothing approaches pure vile as much as the smears against Cheney recently. That has to mark a new all time low in PUTRID.

-- cpr (, August 13, 2000.

Yes, "The truly disgusting aspect of Clinton-Monica," is the sanctimonious, Righ Wing Fringe, commonly known as the Lunatic Fringe, still talking about this stupid crap.

And tarring these lovely, pure as the driven snow ladies, come on!!! It's difficult as hell to tar someone who has already done a fine job all by themselves. Paula Jones was a slut before she ever laid eyes on Clinton. And a young woman who flings up her dress to reveal her buxom bottom in a thong to the Prez didn't just fall off the turnip truck. Though Monica is certainly the most honorable of the two.

Was Clinton innocent? Hell no!! Bad judgment? Yes! Stupid? Yes! But it's over! Get over it for shit's sake! Y2K and Clinton's dallying are about as relevant now as last week's grocery ads.

-- gilda (, August 15, 2000.

To Gilda and "real men.."

Can't you stupid people read English?

I was not continuing a right-wing rant about the horror of blowjobs in the Oval Office.

I was talking instead about the use of "nuts and sluts", opposition to which has been a feminist cause for years, and a worthy cause.


I'm into cultivating Christian charity these days, but don't press your luck.

-- Peter Errington (, August 15, 2000.

"...the use of "nuts and sluts", opposition to which has been a feminist cause for years, and a worthy cause."

Yes, it is a worthy cause, and then you get some dumb bunny like Paula Jones and well....kind of sets the movement back a few years, wouldn't you say?

Personally, if you want to talk "feminism", read/listen to Camille Paglia. She's got a pretty good handle on the whole thing.

I'm still trying to figure out why, in 2000, there is an "issue" called "women's rights". Just how far have we (as a society) come along if at this late date it's still an "issue"?

-- Patricia (, August 15, 2000.

"I'm into cultivating Christian charity these days"

Lol, that explains it.

-- (holier@than.thou), August 15, 2000.


I hope you do not mean to say that you think "womens rights" as an issue is moot. Sad to say, we have NOT come far enough in this area. Women are STILL paid significantly less than men for performing similar jobs. Women are still passed over for promotions in Large banks and law firms-two areas with which I have first hand experience. The old-boy network is STILL firmly entrenched.

It is a crying shame, but we still have a long way to go until women are truly equal. When we have a female president I may relax on this issue. Until then, I will speak out.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), August 15, 2000.

No, FS, that is definitely not what I meant. I wondered whether or not my meaning would come through.

What I meant was that it's 2000 and we still HAVE to have an "issue" called "women's rights". Why should this even BE an issue? (e.g., why does it have to be an ISSUE to pay two people the same amount of money for the same job?)

I know the "old boy network" exists; I get paid alot less than a man in my position.

-- Patricia (, August 15, 2000.

This is an outrage. What say we all make coffee and fire off a scathing letter?

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), August 15, 2000.

Peter, you Charitable Christian You!!! LOL, rolling on the floor--tears of laughter streaming down my cheeks. I knew exactly what you were talking about, Sir Dunce.

And yes I am a feminist, and proud of it, but I haven't lost sight of the fact, that while some jerks try to unfairly label women as "nuts and sluts," this doesn't mean that they don't exist. Paula Jones, as Patricia so aptly said, "set the movement back a few years." And some sensitive, easily offended women, always looking for something to be offended about, get all huffy and threaten lawsuits if a male co-worker even tells a risque' joke, or whistles at them. I worked as a secretary for years, and believe me, this type woman is a bigger pain than the office romeo who is always looking to score.

And I repeat what I said about continuing to talk about this old crap. It's over! Get over it for shit's sake!

-- gilda (, August 15, 2000.

gilda, i have a trained-killer duck--wanna go at it??

-- lil-d. (, August 15, 2000.

This is what I know. A college president on CEO pulling off a stunt like Clinton would have been shown the door in short order. Why we hold the President to a lower standard boggles the min

-- Hiway (, August 15, 2000.

No, Gilda, I don't think you did understand my point. It's not the sluts part of nuts&sluts that's an issue here. Monica is pretty slutty. It's the nuts part.

The Clinton team tried to get the word out that she was crazy, delusional. This lie would of course have destroyed her, but what cared they.

This started fairly early. I heard on the radio a Clinton surrogate, a journalist, say that he saw similarities between Monica and that pathetic woman who stalked David Letterman. The journalist Christopher Hitchens (who I think is dead honest) says he was on the receiving end of the worst kind of lying about Monica's mental condition, from Sidney Blumenthal, a member of the White House inner-circle. And I could go on.

-- Peter Errington (, August 15, 2000.

Oh Peter, hush up! The key words in your last post were, "This started fairly early." And that is the whole point of the whole conversation. This did start fairly early and has been going on and on and on--like a broken record--like the rants about Y2K. It's history. So why do you and others just keep harping on it?

In fact, I don't want this to sound like a threat, but I have seriously entertained thoughts about hiring that "trained-killer duck." And it scares me when I even consider hiring a terminator duck.

-- gilda (, August 15, 2000.

Peter is right about Sidney B. And monica was part of a set up by the Is-Ra-Elis, who understood their mans character, not that I'm knocking Clinton on THAT charge, because I think he should have a harem, if that's what it takes to keep him happy, actually, I would run for president myself, if that was one of the perks. But the thing I can't figure out about the extreme lunatic left; is how they ignore that long trail of dead associates behind Clinton. There's obviously something at least suspicious about that.

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), August 15, 2000.


Nobody has been harping on what I have been talking about. The subject of blowjobs was done to death a long time ago, but not this.

But anyway, I don't react well to threats. I can threaten you in return. Bring on your terminator duck. I'm ex-Army, I'm not afraid of any #$!#$%& duck.

My threat: Are you really sure you want to state that because something happened two years ago, it's such ancient history that it's not worth talking about? Calling CPR!! Calling Doc Paulie!!

-- Peter Errington (, August 15, 2000.

Peter I have to mentioned something about those who were "lying about Monica's mental condition...". How on earth would you know exactly what her mental condition is/was? And I'm not saying that a WH staff member would know either, but let's look at the facts for a minute.

As I recall, (she said this in an interview or to that horrible Tripp woman or something) all she ever wanted to **DO** was the President; that was her whole reason for becoming an "intern". Does that sound mentally balanced to you, or does it sound more like a childhood fantasy that went way too far beyond childhood? And to save the dress (yewwwww), again, does that sound "mentally balanced"? This is just not "normal" behavior; it's more like an "obsessed fan". Consequently, it seems to me that the woman isn't playing with a full deck to begin with, which kind of renders your protests over comments on her "mental state" a bit moot, wouldn't you agree?

And before anyone goes off the deep end, I am not excusing Clinton and his lies. But in all fairness, what would YOU have done?

(That great line from American Beauty comes to mind: Spacey is working at a fast-food joint at the drive-up window and his wife (not knowing he works there) and her lover drive up. The girl working with Spacey says to his wife, "You are SO busted.")

-- Patricia (, August 15, 2000.

Patricia, I'm not saying that Monica wasn't mentally fucked up. But what the Clinton team tried to do was to put out the story that she was so fucked up that what she described to Linda Tripp was a delusion or an invention. Hence the importance of the dress.

What would I have done in Clinton's place? Well, I certainly hope I would not have been such a toad as to countenance the destruction of another person, because that person had become "inconvenient."

-- Peter Errington (, August 15, 2000.

Who are the ones that started this whole thing in the first place Peter? The fucking Republiqueers! They had no business spying on Clinton, using poor Monica's infatuation with Clinton as a way to create negative publicity. They had no business paying that fatass Linda Tripp to ILLEGALY tape conversations with Monica. Anyone with half a brain knows how this thing started! It was a totally unethical plot by right-wingers, but that is normal for scum like them. Anything that was done AFTER the illegal actions of the Republicans was done out of self-defense, and totally justified.

-- (private.matters@should.remain.private), August 15, 2000.

To "private matters":

I agree that this whole business, the taping etc., should never have happened in the first place.

Having said that, Clinton was faced with a choice, how to play this lousy hand that he had been dealt, like a man or like a toad. He chose to play it like a toad.

-- Peter Errington (, August 15, 2000.

Peter, I would hope I wouldn't be such a "toad" either, but unless we're in that situation, we can't really say what we'd do. And that's kind of my point.

My other point was that Monica is (mentally, at least) a teenager (at best) in a woman's body. She's suffering no pain now, I think we can all agree on that one. Like the dim bulb Paula Jones, she is now making her fortune at the expense of the President.

Oh and let's not forget that (former) cow Linda Tripp.

Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? I mean, Jones gets a *free* nose job and complete make-over, Monica gets *free* health club membership, about a million bucks and becomes the spokesperson for said health club, for even more bucks, and the cow gets a complete body make-over, gratis.

Why didn't *I* think of that?

Oh that's right, I'm ethical.

So to all the dim bulbs, you're welcome. You got your make-overs (basically) at the taxpayers' expense. Nice little scam there.

BTW, just out of curiosity, does anyone know whatever happened to former Senator Al D'Amato? You know, the guy who basically started all this however many years ago.

Neither do I. How funny.

-- Patricia (, August 15, 2000.

D'amato was replaced by Chuck Schemer, I mean Shumer, the lunatic lefts' gun grabber.

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), August 15, 2000.

Toads aren't perfect, but I trust them a lot more than snakes.

-- kermit (, August 15, 2000.

Actually I think a man who claims to have been the 'father' of the internet (when it is very east to prove he had nothing to do with it) shows signs of being mentally unbalanced.

-- I am the true Father of the Internet (daddy@worldwide.web), August 15, 2000.

I am:

Do not go taking credit for my creation. I have already had to tell Al to cease and desist.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), August 16, 2000.

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