15 YEARS of sustainability? Wow -- I'm impressed. -- Ed Yourdon

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But if Y2K turns out to be a 10 on the Paul Milne richter scale, you may be one of the very few who survives with no problems.
Well, good for you -- it's just another example of how each individual needs to decide for themselves just how much preparations they feel are appropriate.
Ed

-- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), December 16, 1999.

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15 YEARS of sustainability? Wow -- I'm impressed. -- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), December 16, 1999.

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I'm normally a very conservative guy when it comes to spending money. But I've put just about all my eggs in one basket, financially speaking, going into a lot of unwanted debt to create my y2k nest. Every dollar spent has been with an eye towards 15 years of sustainability. My wife and I have been fortunate to have been in this together since the beginning, but the rest of our family, forget it. It all seems crazy in a way, with this being the 15th of December. God, the kinds of plans, aborted and anotherwise as one rollover date comes and another goes. Crazy. Oh well, I guess its been a learning experience, how to walk the thin edge of reality yet plan for the hard to imagine. Cheers to everyone here for keeping me sane.

-- bb (b@b.b), December 16, 1999
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Ditto, ditto and double-ditto, bb. We're right there too.
>"<

-- SH (squirrel@huntr.com), December 16, 1999.

bb, I planed in crashing here shrortly, thought I'd interject a thought before I go. There's always a possibility you could have done more. Not really, we are dealing with intelligent human beings here who choose not to listen.
No matter how you define it, you've done the best you can do. The time is within a heartbeat of what will happen, C'mon everyone, Let's hope all our negative thoughts are wrong, let's wish for the best. Darn, didn't change a thing. Can't hurt to keep trying.....Sigh.

-- Michael (michaelteever@buffalo.com), December 16, 1999.

Spending money now, albeit having to go into debt, to buy things that you will probably be able to use for the next 15 years (e.g., your grocery bills will probably be trivial), makes a heck of a lot more sense than people who go into debt so they can buy more hi-tech Internet stocks. Or buy some fancy new SUV. REGARDLESS of what happens with Y2K.

And if Y2K turns out to be bad ... "It is better to have and not need than to need and not have." Good luck.

Yours in the end times,

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), December 16, 1999.

15 YEARS of sustainability? Wow -- I'm impressed. Remember, you're living in a time when the government frowns on the idea of preparing for 15 DAYS of self-sufficiency. Those of us who might have been thinking of 15 weeks, or 15 months, of preparations thought we were way out on the edge ... but 15 years.... oh, my goodness, I think you've set a new world record.
But if Y2K turns out to be a 10 on the Paul Milne richter scale, you may be one of the very few who survives with no problems.
Well, good for you -- it's just another example of how each individual needs to decide for themselves just how much preparations they feel are appropriate.
Ed

-- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), December 16, 1999.

BB, I look at my miserable little pile of stuff and I am absolutely envious. I've got a pile of gold, but it may not be worth a nickel.
Best wishes
dave

-- dave (wootendave@hotmail.com), December 16, 1999.

From one BB to another bb,
Very soon your investment will pay off. The biggest mistake would be to think what you've done won't be needed. We are on the verge of world change. Hang in there and hang on. We are headed for a wild ride.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), December 16, 1999.




-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), August 13, 2000

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Yes, absolutely, this very much a PERSONAL decision. Like any family's financial budgeting/planning, which may very well differ in the amount of insurance premiums.

Tell me, CraPpeR, have you ever paid insurance premiums for a policy on which you never filed a claim? Did you feel that you had been "scammed"? Or that it was worth having "just in case"?

-- WD-40 (wd40@squeak.not), August 13, 2000.


Amusing, cpr. Especially since I didn't write it. Had I written it, it would have read, "It's just another example of how each individual needs to decide for himself how much preparation he feels is appropriate." Actually, this quote reads more like your writing, cpr. Was it?

-- (ed@yourdon.net), August 13, 2000.

It might have been. Who can remember? So many names, so much time.

-- (buytexas@swbell.net), August 13, 2000.

CPR,

Excellent quotes, good sir!

Personally, I feel this forum exists to remind those who wasted their time and money of exactly how silly they were, in the hopes of preventing them from repeating this mistake in the future.

Looking back, Y2k was a great awakener inasmuch as it separated the credible from the incredible. Prior to the non-event, most people were enamored with anyone who could author a "Hello World" application in Linux...now skepticism awaits those who lay claim to the term "programmer."

Again, great quotes - keep up the good work. Kudos!

Vindicated Regards,
Andy Ray



-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), August 13, 2000.

Thanks AR...just doing my part. I thought you jumped ship with Poole, Hewitt, Paulie and the rest...

-- (GuessWho@whoooo.xoooom), August 13, 2000.


CPR is talking to himself again. Andy Ray never puts the period inside of the quotation marks, always outside.

-- (anotherbrick@the.wall), August 13, 2000.

Here you go DIRT BAGS: the whole URL just for YOU.


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My story - for what its worth

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I'm normally a very conservative guy when it comes to spending money. But I've put just about all my eggs in one basket, financially speaking, going into a lot of unwanted debt to create my y2k nest. Every dollar spent has been with an eye towards 15 years of sustainability. My wife and I have been fortunate to have been in this together since the beginning, but the rest of our family, forget it. It all seems crazy in a way, with this being the 15th of December. God, the kinds of plans, aborted and anotherwise as one rollover date comes and another goes. Crazy. Oh well, I guess its been a learning experience, how to walk the thin edge of reality yet plan for the hard to imagine. Cheers to everyone here for keeping me sane.

-- bb (b@b.b), December 16, 1999

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15 YEARS of sustainability? Wow -- I'm impressed. Remember, you're living in a time when the government frowns on the idea of preparing for 15 DAYS of self-sufficiency. Those of us who might have been thinking of 15 weeks, or 15 months, of preparations thought we were way out on the edge ... but 15 years.... oh, my goodness, I think you've set a new world record.

But if Y2K turns out to be a 10 on the Paul Milne richter scale, you may be one of the very few who survives with no problems.

Well, good for you -- it's just another example of how each individual needs to decide for themselves just how much preparations they feel are appropriate.

Ed

-- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), December 16, 1999.


Ditto, ditto and double-ditto, bb. We're right there too.

>"<

-- SH (squirrel@huntr.com), December 16, 1999.


bb, I planed in crashing here shrortly, thought I'd interject a thought before I go. There's always a possibility you could have done more. Not really, we are dealing with intelligent human beings here who choose not to listen.

No matter how you define it, you've done the best you can do. The time is within a heartbeat of what will happen, C'mon everyone, Let's hope all our negative thoughts are wrong, let's wish for the best. Darn, didn't change a thing. Can't hurt to keep trying.....Sigh.

-- Michael (michaelteever@buffalo.com) , December 16, 1999.


Spending money now, albeit having to go into debt, to buy things that you will probably be able to use for the next 15 years (e.g., your grocery bills will probably be trivial), makes a heck of a lot more sense than people who go into debt so they can buy more hi-tech Internet stocks. Or buy some fancy new SUV. REGARDLESS of what happens with Y2K.

And if Y2K turns out to be bad ... "It is better to have and not need than to need and not have." Good luck.

Yours in the end times,

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), December 16, 1999.

BB, I look at my miserable little pile of stuff and I am absolutely envious. I've got a pile of gold, but it may not be worth a nickel.

Best wishes

dave

-- dave (wootendave@hotmail.com), December 16, 1999.


From one BB to another bb,

Very soon your investment will pay off. The biggest mistake would be to think what you've done won't be needed. We are on the verge of world change. Hang in there and hang on. We are headed for a wild ride.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), December 16, 1999.


Hi BB,

I started some 800 odd days ago. Prepared for much longer than 15 years. Power generation capable from gasoline, diesel, natural gas, propane. Fuel, 2000 propane, 1000 diesel, 1000 gasoline. When that runs out horses and horse drawn equipment.

Books full of print outs on the old ways I have collected from the internet.

200 bu. of corn, 160 bu. of wheat. Seeds of all kinds.

You get the idea.

Have not headed for the hills. Already there (sort of).

I hope I will be able to help my neighbors. On the other hand they may be my downfall. But NO MAN IS AN ISLAND.

My only problem is that at almost 70 I probably wont make it past that 15 years anyway.

JS

-- JS (joewstout@iswt.com), December 16, 1999.


A calamity severe enough to require 15 years of supplies to survive? I think you can assume that the social chaos following such a calamity would tend to find you and your supplies. On a brighter note - I'm hoping that the date and time functionality necessary in most embedded systems is not substantive enough to cause systemic breakdowns. Can I make a crackpot 'what if' scenario thread to go on top of this. Assume all electronically oriented machinery broke down, never to work again, tomorrow. Could the world survive it? I tend to think yes - following a dark ages like period.

Perhaps y2k is a good time to reflect on just how much we depend on technology?

For the record I support the severity factor 2-3 crowd.

Just to throw another point I was hoping to see raised by various christian nutters and doomsayers by now ... has anyone turned 1999 upside down and read the number ignoring the 1?

-- Fletch (fletch@picknowl.com.au), December 16, 1999.


Fletch, you took a barcode apart lately?

Kook

-- Y2Kook (Y2Kook@usa.net), December 16, 1999.


It really is easier to prepare for 15 years than for six months in some ways. I am like bb in my preps. I was talking to a friend last night and he asked how to store eggs. I responded that I thought it was easier to store corn than eggs, and I hated old stale eggs, so I was storing live hens in the coop. When preping, one has to look at whether he is in a survival mode or a living mode. I choose to be in a living mode. Lets face it, the simple pleasures of life make life worth living, and eating is one of the most important. I like sitting down to a breakfast at a table with cloth napkins, silver forks, china plates, and a bowl full of fresh eggs, fried bacon from my own smoke house, real butter milk biscuits right out of the oven with the only ingrediant from the store being the baking powder and salt, with fresh sweet butter just churned last night and peach jelly made from peaches picked from the tree out back. You city folks can have your malls and store bought food. That is not living to me.

PS If any of you city folks get the idea of coming out to the country and trying to steal our food, remember, 95% of the households around here have guns, and the woods get mighty dark at night with the howl of the wolf.

-- chicken farmer (chicken- farmer@ y2k.farm), December 16, 1999.


Chicken Farmer, I guess you have missed the trillions of threads on the "country welcome" awaiting the city folks. NONE of the threads is encouraging.

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), December 16, 1999.


Have you ever turned 1999 upside down...6661, drop the 1, 666? Number of man?

Have you ever left 1999, dropped the one...999, add the 1, 1000, then multiply by 2=2000.

What does that tell you?

Don't ask why I multiply by two, it just works into my scenario! Many preachers play with numbers, why can't I?

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), December 16, 1999.


Kook, I know what you're saying, on a type 39 barcode, the type on most consumer items in the stores, there are three sets of two bars the extend below the rest of the barcode. Each of those three sets of two is a six. 666. Check it out.

-- Powder (Powder@keg.com), December 16, 1999.

"Just to throw another point I was hoping to see raised by various christian nutters and doomsayers by now ... has anyone turned 1999 upside down and read the number ignoring the 1?"

[RANT ON]

I am getting sick hearing from folks who, instead of ignoring posts they don't like from supposed "christian nutters and doomsayers", continually make fun of them. Real brave. You hardly ever hear these scoffers publicly make fun of Jews, Muslims, Pagans, New Agers, Satanists, etc. Oh no! They might not get away with it so easily. I say that if you don't agree with it, ignore it.

[RANT OFF]

JJ

-- Jeremiah Jetson (laterthan@uthink.y2k), December 16, 1999.


bb, you made the only sane choice given the infomation we have. Don't worry about it. Those folks we owe money to will be too busy trying to find some water without 'things' floating in to drink than to worry about us.

-- Bubba Smith (duck&cover@tshtf.com), December 16, 1999.

Mark wrote "Don't ask why I multiply by two, it just works into my scenario! Many preachers play with numbers, why can't I?"........

Of course you can play with numbers like they do if you like......it's a free country....

Trouble is why would you want to copy the error of uneducated and unstable preachers that use the Bible unintelligently.........

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), December 16, 1999.



-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), August 13, 2000.

What's your point Creep?

The only thing I noticed is that what Ed says seems to contradict all of the lies you keep telling us about how he was ripping people off. He says it is up to us how much we want to prepare.

You are a nothing but ranting, spamming, mental wastoid.

-- (sick@of.creep), August 13, 2000.


What "lies" DOUCHE BAG????

NAME THEM. Or JUST NAME ***ONE***. Those are Yourdon's own words, not mine.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), August 13, 2000.


Well, good for you -- it's just another example of how each individual needs to decide for themselves just how much preparations they feel are appropriate.

Ed

-- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), December 16, 1999.

-- (quot@bly.quoted), August 14, 2000.



Did it really say DOUCHE BAG? Lordy...I haven't heard that epitath since grade school. How old is this cpr unit anyway?

-- (Cannot@believe.IT), August 15, 2000.

It's too bad "Y2Kook" doesn't post here anymore, he could come up with some funny stuff.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), August 15, 2000.


I read every single bit of testimony. I did not rest my laurels on Ed's claims. The testimonies I read showed nobody knew or would take accountability for their own arena. It was a a scenerio where you had to experience it, to appreciate it. The Johnny come lately, or the Air Heads who could not comprehend such a scenerio, else it would disrupt their world of perfect. Thank Goodness, I and others toured the possibility, while the stupid, slept.

-- Gotta Stand (up@thisone.com), August 16, 2000.

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