A question for those who may favor a third party candidate...

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Are you afraid of "Wasted vote syndrome"? Which of the following politicians deserves your vote?

Candidate A) "I am in favor of slavery, and think it should be furthered by all means."

Candidate B) "I don't like slavery very much, and propose that softer whips should be used on slaves."

Candidate C) "I am against slavery, and will abolish it."

Now, who would you vote for? Oh, before you cast your vote I think that you should know that the polls indicate that only candidates A and B have any chance of winning, so don't "waste" your vote!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), August 05, 2000



I'm a little confused on how this relates to the present campaign. Are you saying that the two major party candidates represent these two forms of evil and that there's a third person out there that represents pure goodness? If so, maybe you'll share with us his or her name because I must have missed the news.

-- Jim Cooke (JJCooke@yahoo.com), August 06, 2000.

Easy, you vote for B! Softer whips is a start, and it will eventually lead to total abolishment.

-- (cant@let.A.win), August 06, 2000.

Hi UNC!!!!!

From an old friend.

-- (here_we@go.again), August 06, 2000.


-- ... (...@...com), August 06, 2000.

It's your patriotic duty to forward this information ******************************************************

2 Retired IRS Agents "EXPOSE" the income tax scam.

We are 2 retired IRS Agents and we have witnessed the IRS defrauding Americans for many years. It is destroying the freedoms of ALL Americans. It "MUST STOP" and it is now time to expose this fraud to ALL Americans.

We challenge you to ask ANY IRS Agent to show you a Statute that "REQUIRES" Americans to FILE Income Tax. They cannot find it. There is NO LAW that makes ANY American "liable" or "subject" to pay or file Income Tax. IRS fraud expert, Irwin Schiff 702-877-2833 offers a $5000 award to anyone who can find such a statute.

Bill Conklin from Denver offers a $50,000 reward. His phone number is 303-455-0837, in case you can find such a Statute. His web site is www.anti-irs.com He also offers a "free book" about the IRS that you can download and print up.

The IRS has for many years used Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Implementing and Enforcement Regulations (Title 27) to "ENFORCE" the Federal Income Tax (Title 26) and has used the ATF Regulations to fraudulently take homes and bank accounts away from Americans. Because the Income Tax is voluntary and un-Constitutional, the IRS Code has NO Enforcement Regulations! So in order to BLUFF Americans into paying Income Tax, the IRS uses Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Implementing Regulations to force and to defraud all Americans into paying Income tax that they are not required to pay.

The IRS is DEFRAUDING ALL Americans and is bankrupting and impoverishing America by "GIVING" all our Income Tax payments to the Federal Reserve Bank in payment for the "PHONY' Federal Debt. Look on the back of each and every check of Income Tax payment you have ever paid to the IRS. With the stamp shown below,the IRS has signed over ALL your Income Tax Payments to the Federal Reserve bank. YOUR INCOME TAX IS NOT USED TO RUN OUR GOVERNMENT. This fraud will BANKRUPT America.

In 1983 President Reagan appointed the Grace Commission to investigate the IRS and where our Income Tax payments were going. They discovered that not one penny of our income tax payments go to run our Government. They said that all Income Tax payments go to the Federal Reserve Bank.

The IRS has been defrauding Americans for many years. The IRS has even sent ALL your Social Security payments to the Federal Reseve Bank. Go check it out for yourself and then you will know FOR SURE that we are telling the TRUTH.

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The Federal Reserve Bank IS NOT a Federal bank, but is a private Bank owned by FOREIGN BANKERS who do not pay Income tax! Rothchild, (London), Lazard Bros. (Paris), Israel Seiff, (Italy), Kuhn-Loeb-Warburg,Lehman-Goldman-Sachs-Rockefeller, (New York). In fact, the Federal Reserve Bank has NEVER EVER been audited. Your Phone book PROVES that it is not a Federal Bank. They are listed in the Yellow Pages with all the other "PRIVATE BANKS." They put "Federal" in their name to deceive WE Americans. The Federal Reserve Bank is draining the American economy with the "phony" Income Tax.


The Federal Reserve Bank is destroying America! America "WAS" the richest nation on earth, until 1913, when the Federal Reserve Bank was created by foreign Bankers. This was passed in Congress on Christmas "EVE" 1913, when most Congressmen had gone home for Christmas. It was passed by Un-American Congressmen, who had been paid-off and bribed by the wealthy foreign bankers.

Now America is bankrupt with a $6 Trillion phony Federal debt, because EVERY single dollar in circulation has been "BORROWED" from the Federal Reserve Bank. The US Treasury prints our money and then "sells" it to the Federal Reserve Bank for the printing cost. The US Treasury then borrows it back and then we the people pay interest on the "FACE VALUE" of our money to the Federal Reserve Bank with our Income Tax payments to pay for the "PHONY" debt. This is the BIGGEST FRAUD in US history. This is a deliberate and planned bankruptcy to destroy America. Governments are the creators of money, and should not have to borrow it from a foreign private Bank.

Congressman Louis T. Mc Fadden, Chairman House Banking said..."The Federal Reserve Bank CAUSED the Great Depression by DELIBERATELY witholding money out of circulation"...Congressional Record May 23,1933. After 3 attempts on his life, Mc Fadden was poisoned at a banquet! Can you guess who killed him? They steal and plunder from America, but they even kill Americans.

Congress has been lying to you because it is mathematically impossible to pay off the debt or balance the budget with "BORROWED MONEY". President Woodrow Wilson confessed on his deathbed that he committed TREASON against ALL Americans. The Federal Reserve Bank will soon force America into bankruptcy when the interest on the debt has become un-payable. This will cause an economic collapse. This is when our corrupt Government will bring in the "New World Order" and we will be ruled by the United Nations. We will then lose our freedoms and Constitution.

We have already lost our Constitution and Common Law in the US Courts. All US Courts are now under Maritime Military Law with the New World Order, "Gold Fringed US Flag" (Army Regulations 260-10) "displayed" in every US Courtroom with a conviction rate of 97.3%. All US Judges have perjured their Oath to uphold the Constitution and are in CONTEMPT of the Constitution. Just seek the protection of the Constitution and the Judge will tell you to "shut up and sit down". This could NEVER happen in a Common Law Court.

All US Banks also display the Gold Fringed Flag. Many US Police Officers are starting to wear a gold fringed flag patch on their uniforms. Millions of Americans "unknowingly" pledge allegiance to the "Gold Fringed New World Order Flag" at schools, churches and scout meetings.

Our one dollar bill is proof of conspiracy by the Fed. Since 1935 our one dollar bill has had an "Occult" symbol of the all-seeing eye of the Anti-Christ that reads "Annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum". Meaning "Announcing the birth of the New World Order". This is absolute proof of Conspiracy by the Federal Reserve Bank to destroy and enslave Americans.


Henry Kissinger said, Nafta and Gatt are the major stepping stones towards the New World Order. Nafta and Gatt caused 28.6% unemployment in Clay County, Tennessee. In 3 years Nafta has cost Americans over 700,000 jobs and more to come! Congress has "SOLD OUT AMERICA.! By the way, what ever happened to the "CONTRACT WITH AMERICA?" How can they forget so easy? That was just a big farce!

America's Founding Fathers formed our Government to SERVE WE THE PEOPLE and to give us "FREEDOM". Our Government has defrauded WE THE PEOPLE and has turned this around and now ALL Americans are ENSLAVED by our Government by working 5 months EVERY YEAR to pay the Phony Income Tax. That should make you "MAD AS HELL. Read on and you'll get even MADDER.

Our Constitution, Section 9 reads......"No direct Tax shall be laid". This has NEVER been repealed. IT IS STILL LAW. This renders the 16th Amendment invalid. You cannot have two opposing statutes in the Constitution. The Income Tax is a Constitutional violation, if enforced by the IRS. Only if the tax is voluntary, can it be Constitutional.

The IRS Code, Title 26 has NEVER been enacted by Congress into POSITIVE LAW. The proof is in the inside cover of all Titles of US Codes at your local Library. Section 7401 of Title 26 claims that the IRS does not have the power to lien, levy or seize property WITHOUT a Court Order. The IRS NEVER uses Court Orders.

"Notice of Levy" or Lien is just that, a notice, THERE IS NO ACTUAL LIEN! The IRS cannot produce that document when you demand to see it.

Americans, you need to challenge the IRS when they try to take your property or bank account away from you without a Court Order. Without a Court Order they DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION to take ANYTHING.

The IRS has been illegally stealing and plundering from Americans for decades. It is a known fact among IRS Agents that the IRS is responsible for over 500 suicides per month, over half the divorces and 3/4 of the bankruptcies.


The proof....IRS Agents cars DO NOT have Government EX-empt License Plates! Most IRS Agents have no clue why. All Government Agencies get "FREE" license plates. Why not the IRS? IRS Agents don't even know why. Most of them have no clue.

Many years ago the Telephone Company "gave" the IRS a Government listing, because of many complaints from people who could not find them in the phone book. The IRS was created through a Puerto Rico Trust and is no more Federal than the Federal Express! As a private Corporation, the IRS is NOT registered to do business in ANY State! Without a Business License, by Law they cannot legally be engaged in business. A "heavy graduated Income Tax" is the Second Plank of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx 1848! Income Tax is the very core of Communism.

The IRS is only a collection Agency for the EVIL Federal Reserve Bank. The US Tax Court is located in Washington, DC. and has NO branches in ANY State! This is because the IRS ONLY has Jurisdiction (Authority) in the District of Columbia. Challenge their Jurisdiction and refuse to pay their $65 filing fee and your case will be DISMISSED. They only have Jurisdiction "IF" you pay the filing fee, because then you have entered into their arena.

Many IRS publications and IRS Agents handbooks claim that the Income Tax is VOLUNTARY. The word "mandantory" cannot be found in the IRS Code, Title 26. Why do you voluntarily pay Income Tax? Nowhere in the IRS Code can you find a Statute that says that ALL Americans are required to pay Income Tax........NOWHERE!

The US Supreme Court has ruled in Flora vs. USA 362 U.S.145. that the Income Tax is VOLUNTARY. They ruled that..."Our Tax system is based upon voluntary assessment and payment, NOT upon distraint" (Force). Tax liability does not appear on the 1040 Form and is not "defined" ANYWHERE in the IRS Code.

Every Statute says, "IF YOU ARE LIABLE" then you have to do this and do that. They also state that, "if you have a Taxable year"....."IF" means that YOU have to determine IF.... So if you determine that you are Liable and that IF you determine that you have a Taxable year, then you can "voluntear to pay Income Tax. If you determine that you are not liable or that you do not have a Taxable year, you are not "REQUIRED" to pay the Tax.

It is "YOU" who determines that you are liable by voluntarily filing a 1040 Form. Americans make themselves liable by filing Income Tax. If you don't file, you're not liable. Off course the IRS will try to "bluff" you into filing by sending you phony enforcement letters, quoting ATF Enforcement Statutes and Regulations.

Before you stop filing, to give you piece of mind, we suggest you place all your assets in a Trust. Your assets should be in a Trust anyway for all kinds of circumstances and protection. If you have no assets, no sweat. Then claim 9 dependents and stop filing and paying Income Tax. Then wisely invest the money saved and then retire in style as a millionaire. Then you will not need Social UN-Security.

The IRS Code, Title 26, only applies to Tax payers and NOT to NON-Tax payers. Always respond to their letters with this statement and tell them they have no Jurisdiction over you. This is called "THE BIGGEST INCOME TAX LOOPHOLE". In fact that this the name of a book by Otto Skinner. $45. P.O.Box 6609, San Pedro, Ca. 90734. This is one of the best books on the Income Tax. Plainly said...."the Income Tax Laws DO NOT apply to you if you do not file a 1040 Return, because you are not a Tax payer". If you are not a Tax payer, you are not liable for the Tax.


When you sign the 1040 Form under penalties of "PERJURY", you waive your Fifth Amendment Rights, which state that you CANNOT be compelled to give "POTENTIALLY" incriminating evidence against yourself. This makes the Income Tax Un-Constitutional, because the IRS requires that signature. They get away with this by declaring that the income tax is "voluntary". This is why the IRS Code Statutes say..."If you are liable"... Because if you pay Income Tax, you volunteer to pay. When you volunteer, then you make yourself liable.

The Fourth and Fifth Ammendment of the Bill of Rights give you the right to "refuse" to show your records during an audit. Only if you voluntarily show your records, can the IRS Agent audit them. Americans, STOP VOLUNTEERING anything the IRS asks you to do. They have absolutely No Jurisdiction and Authority over you.


In 1991, the IRS reported that there were 163 Million Taxpayers. In a seperate report they claimed they received 111 Million Tax filings for that year. That is 52 Million that do not file Income tax. IRS Commissioner Peggy Richardson claimed in 1991 that one out of five has stopped paying Income Tax and that the Tax revolt is growing. None of them are in jail. Only a handfull is in jail because they yielded to IRS jurisdiction. In fact, you can only go to jail for falsifying Income Tax Returns, when you sign the 1040 Form under penalties of perjury. If you don't file, they DO NOT have jurisdiction. Without Jurisdiction they have no Case.

If they take you to Court,DO NOT HIRE A LAWYER. A Lawyer is an Officer of the Court and he will argue the Case for you because that is how he earns money. REFUSE to enter the Court and stay BEHIND the little fence and challege their Jurisdiction and DO NOT EVER argue the case. Once you argue the case, then you have yielded to their Jusrisdiction.

Become educated and eliminate fear of the IRS. Order the book "Economic Solutions" $8.95. Quality Press. 2888 Bluff Street. Suite 315. Boulder, Colorado. Also order "IRS under Indictment" and learn how to legally stop paying Income Tax. Advantage Publishing 1-916-222-4684.

Devvy Kidd, 12453 West Baltic Ave. Lakewood, Colorado 80228, also has very infomative books. Write her for a brochure!

Senator Henry Belmon in 1969 said....If Tax payers EVER discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff, the entire system will collapse. Before 1940 there was no Income Tax. To finance World War ll, we paid a VICTORY TAX, which was repealed in 1944. Why are Americans still paying this VICTORY TAX? It is because Americans are COMPLACENT and have fear of the IRS, because the IRS has cleverly made Americans think that they are required to pay Tax.

Order Irwin Schiff's book, "The Federal Mafia" $25 from Freedom Books, Post Office Box 5326, Evansville, IN. 47716. This book is also a MUST. Irwin will show you that....No law requires you to file Income Tax returns! No law requires you to pay Income Taxes. No law requires you to keep books for Income Tax purposes. No law authorizes the IRS to audit you. No law authorizes employers to withold Tax from wages. Talk to Irwin about your Tax problem at 1-702-877-2833. Become educated and order his video's and audio cassettes. He can be found on the internet. His Web site is http:/www.ischiff.com If you have a computer, enter patriot, tax fraud, IRS fraud, etc, on your Search Engines and learn more of what we have been telling you in this letter.


President Ronald Reagan, May 1983.... "Our Federal Tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counter productive. It reeks with injustice and is fundamentally UN-American! It has earned a rebellion, and it is time we rebelled.

Eliminate the IRS out of your life, explained on 2 video's,$40. 702-853-2342. IRS Jurisdiction investigated,$25, on video, call 801-377-0570. Weekly Newspaper "The Spotlight" exposes Government fraud. 1-800-522-6292. Their web site is www.spotlight.org

Congress MUST SAVE AMERICA and abolish the "GESTAPO" IRS, Federalize the Federal Reserve Bank, and throw out the foreign bankers from our money system and start printing interest free Constitutional money. (US Notes!) The Constitution only gives Congress the right to create our money and NOT a private bank, run by foreigners.

Income Tax will then no longer be neccesary. Excise Tax, Tariffs and Duties will then pay for Government. When the British Taxed the Colonies, John Adams, John Hancock and other Patriots had the "GUTS" to rebel against their 5% Tax with the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution. Our country became free because of a 5% tax. Without these hero's we would still be paying Tax to the Queen of England. America needs HERO'S like that again to take our wonderful country back from the "BLOOD SUCKING MONEY CHANGERS".

Now Federal Taxes are up to 39.6%. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE. All Americans MUST become Patriots and UNITE to restore Constitutional Government. Massive Civil disobedience is a "proper form" of Petition for Redress of Grievances and Political Protest. This is the ONLY way to wake up Congress. We Americans MUST force Congress to finally END the Income Tax scam. Imagine what your life will be like without Income Tax! You would be living a life of luxury.


You MUST sacrifice your time and effort to help us inform other Americans. Being complacent will not save America. Americans have been complacent long enough. Send this message to all your local Politicians, friends, neighbors and relatives. Also send to your local Talk Radio's. When 100 million Americans stop filing Income Tax, the IRS will be powerless and Congress will be forced to stop the "phony" Income Tax.

Mark Twain..."In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, only then the timid join him". Our great country needs true Patriots again. Our Government is totally out of control. Our Government was created to serve We The People. Now we Americans have become the slaves and servants of our Government. Americans are not free anymore.

Our Government forces all Americans to obtain a permit or a license to do ANYTHING. Without these Permits and Licenses we would be breaking the Law. WHAT KIND OF FREEDOM IS THAT? Licenses and Permits are used to control us and to steal money from us. Our Government has taken away our basic God given freedoms! Our Government has TOTAL control over Americans.

If you want to be free again, we Americans need to overthrow the MOST corrupt Agency first and that is the IRS.

As retired IRS Agents we learned long ago about IRS and Federal Reserve fraud. Because we love America, we MUST expose the IRS Monster we have worked for. It is YOUR Patriotic DUTY to help us spread this news to ALL AMERICANS. Please copy and mail to others! It's your patriotic duty! UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL!

Earl Sorensen & Fred Fuller.

-- ... (...@...com), August 06, 2000.

In answer to the Original question, is it possible that that was the situation when Lincoln was running?

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), August 06, 2000.

In honor of the tax spammer person, I would vote for whoever has the policy which will tax us the most.

Read my lips! More new taxes!!!

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), August 06, 2000.

AH, a flaw in my example.....

Candidate B, you should know, has a strong record of voting for slavery, but thinks that using softer whips will gather votes from the anti-slavery minority.

My point, badly made as it was, is not that the current parties are evil, though that idea can be debated, my point, badly made as it was, was that when neither party is particularly representative of your view, is it not the moral thing to vote as your conscience dictates you should vote? Even if it means that your vote is "wasted"? And also, if candidate A is 15 points ahead of candidate B, which in essence gives candidate B no real chance of winning, is a vote for anyone except candidate A a "wasted" vote?

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), August 06, 2000.

Earl and Fred,

You go first, let me now how jail is.

Or, you could visit this abolish the income tax website and join up, as I did.

-- Fotios Astopopoulous (it's@ll.greek.to.me), August 06, 2000.

Unk, good to "see" you. Hope you are enjoying the summer.

Some years back, I actually did vote for "Candidate C" -- it was John Anderson. Yes, I knew he had virtually no chance of winning, but I'm a rebel a heart and so didn't really care that much. I made my statement, and as I recall, so did about 20% of the voters that year.

Did it make any difference? To the extent that Reagan quaked a bit in his shoes, yes it did. Oh sure, we still got stuck with him, but I believe (perhaps naively) that it made him think a bit more about what he was doing.

Whether or not the "Candidate C" vote is considered a "waste" is a matter of opinion. I have to vote with my conscience; not with the popular sentiment. I think if more people felt that way, "Candidate C" would become more of a reality.

It's time (once again) to shake up the "establishment"; can you think of a better way to do it than "Candidate C"?

-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), August 06, 2000.

Hi UNC good to hear from ya, I was just asking where you went last week.

My hubby who sat next to me while I opened this post. He is a "C" person. I voted my 1st time at age 30 against Clinton. My vote didnt count then, and it wont count now.

Ah hell, I dont even know if I am democrat or republican....

I think I'll start another thread, thanks unc for the thought provation.

xoxo, sumer

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), August 06, 2000.

To me it is almost immoral to vote the party line,there is no such thing as a wasted vote if you vote your conscious.The perpetuation of the lying,thieving D/R's is what is the true waste,the fact that most people don't have the good common sense to see that we are being screwed by these monolithic politcal machines and their puppets.

Candidate "C" !!!!!!!!!

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), August 06, 2000.

My hubby who sat next to me while I opened this post. He is a "C" person. I voted my 1st time at age 30 against Clinton. My vote didnt count then, and it wont count now.

All the more reason to vote your conscience, 'sumer. It just feels good inside to do so.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), August 06, 2000.

One other thing 'sumer. If you are not sure where your policical home is why not spend some time investigating in here. I was once politically homeless too.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), August 06, 2000.

Unc, well said, WILL DO....

I shall wait and see who 'C' is and....off to the polls...

xoxo, sumer

ps, thanks again for getting me to think and post anew :-)

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), August 06, 2000.

HI Unc. I live in Texas, what would you say the odds are that any vote I cast will be wasted on this years presidential elction?

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), August 06, 2000.

And, of course, the last third party candidate with no chance of winning I voted for was Jesse Ventura for Governor of Minnesota.

And -- guess what -- he won!

-- E.H. Porter (Just Wondering@About.it), August 06, 2000.

Back in town for a weekend. Good question; but there are so many parties on the ballot here. It is easy to get on the ballot in Missouri.

At this point here is my take on the situation:

No trouble with Nadar; but the Green party is a coalition which contains terrorist organizations; such as Peta, Alf etc. Can't vote for the greens.

Reform party; Pat, no way.

SLP; they propose a complete reorganization of the country with worker control; my opinion, won't work.

Swp; same as Slp.

Libertarians; some good ideas, but they have been here for 30y. I remember when their main theme was that the Queen of England ran the international drug cartel. Can't take them seriously.

We have more; Natural Law, etc. I have read their info, and am not convinced.

Then we have the Repulicans and the Democrats.

My impression is that the Republicans want to create a theocracy. I don't favor that. As an independent who has voted for many Republicans in the past, I am waiting to be convinced that I am wrong.

Democrats; Well, I consider that they have goals that are too intrusive in my private life; but at the moment they are the lesser of two evils. I would rather be investigated than be a Pentacostal :^ )

At the local level [which is important] all of this makes little difference. The local Republican party has long been controlled by the religous right and neo-nazi groups. So the Republican primary is not important. Whoever wins the Democrat primary wins. Actually, half of the Democrat candidates would be Republicans elsewhere.

Best wishes,,,,


-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), August 06, 2000.


IMHO there is only one type of "wasted" vote, a vote not cast at all.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), August 06, 2000.

"Libertarians; some good ideas, but they have been here for 30y. I remember when their main theme was that the Queen of England ran the international drug cartel. Can't take them seriously. "

I'm afraid this is incorrect. It was Lyndon LaRouche (not a libertarian) who had that "theme", not the Libertarian Party.

-- ABC (a@b.c), August 06, 2000.


I ask you the same question that I ask the Republicans; convince me.

Best wishes,,,,


-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), August 06, 2000.

I have been a Libertarain for only 4 years or so, but that Drug/Queen cartel stuff sounds nothing like any position I have EVER heard the Libs take. LaRouche, yeah, that seems more likely by a mile, but not the Libs. If the Queen was running a drug cartel the Libertarains would not care, we believe that the war on drugs is a farce.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), August 06, 2000.

Unc Dee:

You have to remember that we get all sorts of folks on the ballot here. Sometimes it may be 8 or nine Presidential Candidates. What I said may not be the policy of the Libertarian party, but it is what everyone here remembers. You will need to convince the majority that you should not have patent rights to the term fruit loops. This is just a fact. Remember, everyone here equates the Libertarian party with the afore mentioned person.

Best Wishes,,,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), August 06, 2000.


It sounds as if yaw'll need some ground roots Libertarians on the ballot in Misouri,or at the very least some good honest discussion about political parties.

I know Truman this Truman that....but this is now and that was then.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), August 06, 2000.


Sorry I mis-spelled Missouri : |

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), August 06, 2000.


Howz it goin. Yep, they call it the Show Me State. In one sense it is true. We have had folks here calling themselves Libertarians since the 70's. Some were real fruitloops. When was the last time you got to vote for a candidate whose program dealt with alien invaders? Pretty open here.

My point is: if the Libertarian party wants to get votes here, they will need to do some work on the popular image of the party.

Best wishes,,,,


-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), August 06, 2000.

Here is the Libertarian Party's home page, including links to their platform and positions on everything. If you can find anything there about the Queen of England being involved in the drug trade, I'd be very surprised. Especially because libertarians are AGAINST the war on (some people who use some) drugs.

-- ABC (a@b.c), August 06, 2000.

Lenora Fulani as Dominatrix!

-- (nemesis@awol.com), August 06, 2000.

I like the answer Browne gave when asked about his position on abortion:

No War on Abortion, despite his personal opposition.

Q: Whats your position on abortion? Do you have a difference between your personal views and your political views?

A: I oppose abortion - strongly. So the last thing in the world I want is for government to start a War on Abortion. Given the record of its War on Poverty (which has escalated poverty) and its War on Drugs (which has expanded drug use and crime), a War on Abortion would probably result within five years in men having abortions.

Source: EVote.com on-line chat Jun 14, 2000

-- Debra (Thisis@it.com), August 06, 2000.

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