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Why are pro-life people anti-gun control? Why are pro-choice people in support of gun control?

The choice to kill seems to belong to who ever is bigger.

-- protection (, August 04, 2000


Hey F.S.,

I want to be meta...? How do you spell it? Physical?!

I want to kill and still let people know they should read what supports their confort zone.

Bite the apple.....

-- film (, August 04, 2000.

Why are pro-life people anti-gun control? Why are pro-choice people in support of gun control?

Easy. Pro-life, protect the innocent, punish the guilty.

Pro-abortion protect the guilty, punish the innocent.


-- Someone (, August 04, 2000.

Couldn't have said it any better, Frank.

BTW, any one who thinks abortion is a positive thing should go first. After all, your spirit will continue, right F.S.?

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), August 04, 2000.

I'm pro-choice on both.

Frank: Pro-choice does NOT equate to pro-abortion.

-- Anita (, August 04, 2000.

Thank you, thank you, to all my admirers. I am here this morning to accept this award from you fine people for my meritorious service to the cause of metaphysics. It is a fine morning and I could not have asked to spend it with a finer group of people. Your recognition of me is without a doubt one of the higlights of my life. There are no words to describe the joy I feel right now-if I could bottle it I would and hand it out to everyone in the world. I could say much more, but this will suffice:

What the hell are you talking about?

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), August 04, 2000.

Yes it does, Anita, because the pro-choice position has been highjacked by extremists. You are correct that there is a position within the movement that says "I'm pro choice, but don't do it," but that is recognized any more than those on the pro-life side (myself included) who argue that changing the hearts of man is a greater goal than changing

-- Hiway (, August 04, 2000.


I was referring to the euphamism of "choice" for "abortion". I suppose to be consistent I should have said "pro-forced pregnancy" vs. "pro-accepts fetuside/infanticide on a massive scale", but was just trying to make a point on one side of the issue. ;-)

Again, my point is that we don't think that the lives of poor children are *so bad* that we kill them to relieve their suffering. This to me means whatever life they have we value as better than NO life. Why then would you want to deny that same state (living) to someone else?


-- Someone (, August 04, 2000.


Not to nitpick on spelling (God knows I hate it whem peeple pick at myne), but your "mistake" actually was neat for me. Here's a L ink to a place with some real HIGlights.



-- Someone (, August 04, 2000.


I'm a bit confused by your reply. As a woman who went through the anguish of a funeral for a "sortof" relative who'd died when I was a child from an illegal abortion, I started looking into the abortion issue at an early age. This woman was the sister of my mom's sister's husband. She'd just immigrated to the U.S. a few years before. She had three boys and her oldest was getting married. In retrospect, I figure she thought she was in the change of life and no longer needed contraception. I know she KNEW about contraception because my uncle [her brother] was the one who told MY dad about it [according to my mom.] Anyway, I haven't pursued the custom involved, but my uncle stated that it was considered shameful to be pregnant at the wedding of one's son in their culture. She didn't want to shame her family, so pursued an illegal abortion.

Her oldest son knew why she did what she did, having been raised in the same culture himself. He and his wife went ahead with the wedding, but they never reproduced. Both of her other sons married women with already-made families.

I can't walk in the shoes of others, Frank. I can only walk in my own. I don't think I'd be capable, personally, of aborting a fetus that showed no signs of malformation, and I've never, personally, had to have an abortion [due to cultural tradition or any other reason.] I simply don't feel I'm qualified do make this decision for others.

The same thinking applies to guns. I don't have one, have never had one, and don't need one. Both guns and abortion are currently protected rights by the constitution. Some folks don't want others to have guns and some folks don't want others to have abortions. I see no reason to evangelize against the rights of others based upon my personal beliefs.

-- Anita (, August 04, 2000.


I hear you, but I don't think it's right for either the child or family or society in general to allow women to kill their own children. To me saying you have a CHOICE whether or not to kill your child is more of a value judgement than the "pro-life" point of view.

But for,

Both guns and abortion are currently protected rights by the constitution.

I believe firearms are protected by the Constitution, but (nothing personal o.k.?) saying abortion is a right under "privacy" is a bit of a stretch. I doubt the founders had it in mind on drafting the Constitution (& B of R), whereas I'm pretty sure they meant the populace to be armed.


P.S. And I feel sorry for your relative and for others in her shoes, but again, to me (how can one discuss this issue without appearing callous) there isn't really a difference between and adult and a fetus. Looking at the numbers, millions more are dying now than before 1973. It's too high a cost for the return it gives.

-- Someone (, August 04, 2000.

(sung to the tune of Cruising)


On a Friday afternoon


There'll be flames a shooting soon

I think the funnest thing someone can do

Is bait a board with a troll or two


Verbal shoot out at high noon


What a way to hang a "moon"

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (, August 04, 2000.

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